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Speaking of pee, Planet Cridmo has a splashy new policy/edict coming into force over the weekend, and I think everyone will be delighted with its balance & nuances:
Global, national, state, county and local governments are forbidden from spending tax money or encouraging the development of bike sharing and bike lanes until the opioid crisis has been solved and its suffering has been profoundly ameliorated.
Y'know, every day I come to Amy's blog determined to be courteous and ennobling, but then someone says something stoo-pit and I go nuts.
But as Charlottesville leads the news this morning, let me just shuck right down to the cob and affirm that if you're a white supremacist inclined to such displays, you oughta just GFY. You're not strong, smart, courageous or kind: Why should we give you attention?
Crid
at August 12, 2017 9:04 AM
"Y'know, every day I come to Amy's blog determined to be courteous and ennobling, but then . . ."
Really Crid? Have you considered working out more? (Mayo clinic puts it as suggestion number three for anger management)
...First, and most obvious, there’s the fossil fuel industry — think the Koch brothers — which has an obvious financial stake in continuing to sell dirty energy. And the industry — following the same well-worn path industry groups used to create doubt about the dangers of tobacco, acid rain, the ozone hole, and more — has systematically showered money on think tanks and scientists willing to express skepticism about climate change. Many — perhaps even most — authors purporting to cast doubt on global warming turn out, on investigation, to have received financial support from the fossil fuel sector.
Still, the mercenary interests of fossil fuel companies aren’t the whole story here. There’s also ideology.
An influential part of the U.S. political spectrum — think the Wall Street Journal editorial page — is opposed to any and all forms of government economic regulation; it’s committed to Reagan’s doctrine that government is always the problem, never the solution.
Such people have always had a problem with pollution: When unregulated individual actions impose costs on others, it’s hard to see how you avoid supporting some form of government intervention. And climate change is the mother of all pollution issues.
Some conservatives are willing to face this reality and support market-friendly intervention to limit greenhouse gas emissions. But all too many prefer simply to deny the existence of the issue — if facts conflict with their ideology, they deny the facts.
Finally, there are a few public intellectuals — less important than the plutocrats and ideologues, but if you ask me even more shameful — who adopt a pose of climate skepticism out of sheer ego. In effect, they say: “Look at me! I’m smart! I’m contrarian! I’ll show you how clever I am by denying the scientific consensus!” And for the sake of this posturing, they’re willing to nudge us further down the road to catastrophe...
lenona
at August 12, 2017 12:29 PM
"My anger isn't the problem, it's the behavior of others."
I can accept that.
Ben
at August 12, 2017 12:40 PM
It's isn't just the (Maori) Tiki torches, it's the Javanese citronella fuel in them.
Crid
at August 12, 2017 12:42 PM
And then there are those who recognize that the solutions proposed by the anthropomorphic CO2 gloom and doomers won't solve the problem they claim is coming to kill us all.
If man made CO2 is a morally bad thing then just doing less of it isn't a moral outcome. We don't have wife beating credits where I can beat my wife because I paid you to not beat yours. Or wife beating quotas.
But then again, it was a Krugman editorial. Logic need not apply.
Ben
at August 12, 2017 12:44 PM
I will not be clucked at in this manner...
....there’s the fossil fuel industry — think the Koch brothers — which has an obvious financial stake in continuing to sell dirty energy.
...by a man who has such "an obvious financial stake in continuing to" buy "dirty energy."
...Which oil is not, really. It's certainly the cleanest way for that man to move through his wretched little life.
> I can accept that.
That doesn't matter.
Crid
at August 12, 2017 1:06 PM
@Crid: you would like one of my T shirts, which says:
"I don't need anger management; I need for you to stop PISSING ME OFF!"
So I was talking about Charlottesville on the phone with a good woman, and she was upset... Violent death happened this morning, and she's rightfully concerned. And so I tried to talk about a picture I'd seen of the protesters...
They're carrying Tiki torches. It's the most masculine iconography they have at hand in their lives... They meant to do that.
They came to start a race riot with party favors. These guys are engaged by nothing more dauntingly macho than a weekend brunch at an Islands™ restaurant.
I can type it without laughing, but when I form the words out loud and think of the images, it's just too pathetically funny.
I guess I won't be laughing so much when that big-boned waitress comes back with a Blooming Onion and a Diet Coke, right?
Crid
at August 12, 2017 5:09 PM
> Civil war is here!
Says Snoopy at August 12, 2017 11:47 AM
Crid
at August 12, 2017 5:11 PM
"But as Charlottesville leads the news this morning, let me just shuck right down to the cob and affirm that if you're a white supremacist inclined to such displays, you oughta just GFY. You're not strong, smart, courageous or kind: Why should we give you attention?"
You predicted this, didncha?
Meanwhile:
As a white male, you may be portrayed as stupid, racist, mean, a pedophile {pick derogative} and deserving of it without recourse. You will automatically be charged with a hate crime if you engage in violence for any reason with someone who is not another white male. If Southern, you will also be labeled an inbred, etc., despite the limitless opportunities for incest afforded our often-snowbound neighbors to the North; it will not even be noticed that dozens of fire-breathing fundamentalists occupy the airways everywhere a county can be called, "red", even in the blue-blooded North (some of whose families might rightfully be remembered for forgetting how close that cousin they married really is).
Every invention of modern life was put out by somebody that looks just like you, to a degree that the rest of the world might as well be lifeless but for a tiny few exceptions.
It is not the culture of the gang in Charlottesville that makes it fatal for someone like Amy to walk through dozens of American cities.
This is denied so fervently that if you call for the observation of individual character, merit, what-have-you, you will be either reviled or disregarded - even if your name is Martin Luther King.
So, rather than note that success is the best revenge, these people act out.
If they were stoning Bernie Sanders or Trump supporters, or called themselves Black Lives Matter, excuses would fly.
But, since they white, there are no excuses. The media reinforces the actual superiority of whites every day by telling, not just reminding us that without help, no one who matters* can succeed near them, and there is no end in sight to this.
I will probably be blamed for something for writing this - but I urge you to look to the Far East; I am not tooting my own horn. They're next.
*As we have seen in Harvard and CalTech admissions, northern Asians are the exception to this, but they are too few and in entirely the wrong direction to make political hay - for now.
Radwaste
at August 12, 2017 5:17 PM
Turns out Islands is only in western states. But you can imagine....
Crid
at August 12, 2017 5:17 PM
> As a white male, you may be
> portrayed as stupid, racist,
> mean, a pedophile {pick
> derogative} and deserving of
> it without recourse.
Yow! Who knew! That's totally not okay! Someone should do something! As a grown-ass man, I've never evar been at risk for insults before!
The tears stream down my face, through my moustache... They are salty, and I taste them.
- Columnist Tom Carson, c. 1993
>I will probably be blamed for
> something for writing this -
Maybe you should stay locked indoors for awhile. Have the missus start the car in the morning for the next few weeks... Capiche?
Crid
at August 12, 2017 5:27 PM
Here is my problem with climate change. Its a secular religion, and anyone who questions the church, its dogma or the clergy in any manner are branded heretics.
To date, not a single climate change prediction has come true - taking 60 years to move to the extreme lower end of a temperature shift you claimed would happen in ten years is NOT a successful prediction
To date, even with having decades of climate data they are still unable to reverse engineer a working formula. When you have the answer (todays climate right now) and the data (decades of climate data) yet are still unable to work out the formula it doesn't inspire confidence in one predictions
Just a few years ago the world was stunned to discover Antarctic ice was three to five time thicker that previously though tripling to quintupling one variable to calculate cubic volume kinda screws the results. And yet for decades models predicting ice loss were based on erroneous data
Finally those claiming it to be a problem sure dont act like it is
There is only one way to use less fuel, and that is to have less people.
Take the US, if we were to magically today return to pre 1950 per capita consumption rates we would still be using more than twice what we did in the 50s
Also keep in mind 60% of fossil fuel consumption goes to growing food.
Look here in 2016 the US created 145 billion dollars worth of plant food products and exported 130 billion of it according to
Speaking of pee, Planet Cridmo has a splashy new policy/edict coming into force over the weekend, and I think everyone will be delighted with its balance & nuances:
Priorities, people, priorities.
See also.
Crid at August 12, 2017 1:13 AM
Whatcha upto next weekend?
See also.
(Both links by the young and mighty @eiaine.)
Crid at August 12, 2017 1:40 AM
Y'know, every day I come to Amy's blog determined to be courteous and ennobling, but then someone says something stoo-pit and I go nuts.
But as Charlottesville leads the news this morning, let me just shuck right down to the cob and affirm that if you're a white supremacist inclined to such displays, you oughta just GFY. You're not strong, smart, courageous or kind: Why should we give you attention?
Crid at August 12, 2017 9:04 AM
"Y'know, every day I come to Amy's blog determined to be courteous and ennobling, but then . . ."
Really Crid? Have you considered working out more? (Mayo clinic puts it as suggestion number three for anger management)
Ben at August 12, 2017 9:31 AM
Wait, what?
Watch the video before Twitter removes it
https://mobile.twitter.com/WeWuzMetokur/status/896367806605873152
Sixclaws at August 12, 2017 11:42 AM
> But as Charlottesville leads the news this morning
Civil war is here!
Snoopy at August 12, 2017 11:47 AM
Car allegedly purposefully drives into protestors:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/896429944552792069
Snoopy at August 12, 2017 11:52 AM
Here's one of the videos of the car:
https://twitter.com/qith8n/status/896429117305872384
Snoopy at August 12, 2017 11:54 AM
> number three for anger management
My anger isn't the problem, it's the behavior of others.
Crid at August 12, 2017 12:19 PM
From columnist Paul Krugman.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/11/opinion/climate-science-denial.html
Most of the second half:
...First, and most obvious, there’s the fossil fuel industry — think the Koch brothers — which has an obvious financial stake in continuing to sell dirty energy. And the industry — following the same well-worn path industry groups used to create doubt about the dangers of tobacco, acid rain, the ozone hole, and more — has systematically showered money on think tanks and scientists willing to express skepticism about climate change. Many — perhaps even most — authors purporting to cast doubt on global warming turn out, on investigation, to have received financial support from the fossil fuel sector.
Still, the mercenary interests of fossil fuel companies aren’t the whole story here. There’s also ideology.
An influential part of the U.S. political spectrum — think the Wall Street Journal editorial page — is opposed to any and all forms of government economic regulation; it’s committed to Reagan’s doctrine that government is always the problem, never the solution.
Such people have always had a problem with pollution: When unregulated individual actions impose costs on others, it’s hard to see how you avoid supporting some form of government intervention. And climate change is the mother of all pollution issues.
Some conservatives are willing to face this reality and support market-friendly intervention to limit greenhouse gas emissions. But all too many prefer simply to deny the existence of the issue — if facts conflict with their ideology, they deny the facts.
Finally, there are a few public intellectuals — less important than the plutocrats and ideologues, but if you ask me even more shameful — who adopt a pose of climate skepticism out of sheer ego. In effect, they say: “Look at me! I’m smart! I’m contrarian! I’ll show you how clever I am by denying the scientific consensus!” And for the sake of this posturing, they’re willing to nudge us further down the road to catastrophe...
lenona at August 12, 2017 12:29 PM
"My anger isn't the problem, it's the behavior of others."
I can accept that.
Ben at August 12, 2017 12:40 PM
It's isn't just the (Maori) Tiki torches, it's the Javanese citronella fuel in them.
Crid at August 12, 2017 12:42 PM
And then there are those who recognize that the solutions proposed by the anthropomorphic CO2 gloom and doomers won't solve the problem they claim is coming to kill us all.
If man made CO2 is a morally bad thing then just doing less of it isn't a moral outcome. We don't have wife beating credits where I can beat my wife because I paid you to not beat yours. Or wife beating quotas.
But then again, it was a Krugman editorial. Logic need not apply.
Ben at August 12, 2017 12:44 PM
I will not be clucked at in this manner...
...by a man who has such "an obvious financial stake in continuing to" buy "dirty energy."...Which oil is not, really. It's certainly the cleanest way for that man to move through his wretched little life.
> I can accept that.
That doesn't matter.
Crid at August 12, 2017 1:06 PM
@Crid: you would like one of my T shirts, which says:
"I don't need anger management; I need for you to stop PISSING ME OFF!"
mpetrie98 at August 12, 2017 1:34 PM
The radical centre?
https://mobile.twitter.com/FashyEnough/status/895830177531412480
Sixclaws at August 12, 2017 2:34 PM
So I was talking about Charlottesville on the phone with a good woman, and she was upset... Violent death happened this morning, and she's rightfully concerned. And so I tried to talk about a picture I'd seen of the protesters...
...And I couldn't stop giggling.
They're carrying Tiki torches. It's the most masculine iconography they have at hand in their lives... They meant to do that.
They came to start a race riot with party favors. These guys are engaged by nothing more dauntingly macho than a weekend brunch at an Islands™ restaurant.
I can type it without laughing, but when I form the words out loud and think of the images, it's just too pathetically funny.
I guess I won't be laughing so much when that big-boned waitress comes back with a Blooming Onion and a Diet Coke, right?
Crid at August 12, 2017 5:09 PM
> Civil war is here!
Says Snoopy at August 12, 2017 11:47 AM
Crid at August 12, 2017 5:11 PM
"But as Charlottesville leads the news this morning, let me just shuck right down to the cob and affirm that if you're a white supremacist inclined to such displays, you oughta just GFY. You're not strong, smart, courageous or kind: Why should we give you attention?"
You predicted this, didncha?
Meanwhile:
As a white male, you may be portrayed as stupid, racist, mean, a pedophile {pick derogative} and deserving of it without recourse. You will automatically be charged with a hate crime if you engage in violence for any reason with someone who is not another white male. If Southern, you will also be labeled an inbred, etc., despite the limitless opportunities for incest afforded our often-snowbound neighbors to the North; it will not even be noticed that dozens of fire-breathing fundamentalists occupy the airways everywhere a county can be called, "red", even in the blue-blooded North (some of whose families might rightfully be remembered for forgetting how close that cousin they married really is).
Every invention of modern life was put out by somebody that looks just like you, to a degree that the rest of the world might as well be lifeless but for a tiny few exceptions.
It is not the culture of the gang in Charlottesville that makes it fatal for someone like Amy to walk through dozens of American cities.
This is denied so fervently that if you call for the observation of individual character, merit, what-have-you, you will be either reviled or disregarded - even if your name is Martin Luther King.
So, rather than note that success is the best revenge, these people act out.
If they were stoning Bernie Sanders or Trump supporters, or called themselves Black Lives Matter, excuses would fly.
But, since they white, there are no excuses. The media reinforces the actual superiority of whites every day by telling, not just reminding us that without help, no one who matters* can succeed near them, and there is no end in sight to this.
I will probably be blamed for something for writing this - but I urge you to look to the Far East; I am not tooting my own horn. They're next.
*As we have seen in Harvard and CalTech admissions, northern Asians are the exception to this, but they are too few and in entirely the wrong direction to make political hay - for now.
Radwaste at August 12, 2017 5:17 PM
Turns out Islands is only in western states. But you can imagine....
Crid at August 12, 2017 5:17 PM
> As a white male, you may be
> portrayed as stupid, racist,
> mean, a pedophile {pick
> derogative} and deserving of
> it without recourse.
Yow! Who knew! That's totally not okay! Someone should do something! As a grown-ass man, I've never evar been at risk for insults before!
>I will probably be blamed for> something for writing this -
Maybe you should stay locked indoors for awhile. Have the missus start the car in the morning for the next few weeks... Capiche?
Crid at August 12, 2017 5:27 PM
Here is my problem with climate change. Its a secular religion, and anyone who questions the church, its dogma or the clergy in any manner are branded heretics.
To date, not a single climate change prediction has come true - taking 60 years to move to the extreme lower end of a temperature shift you claimed would happen in ten years is NOT a successful prediction
To date, even with having decades of climate data they are still unable to reverse engineer a working formula. When you have the answer (todays climate right now) and the data (decades of climate data) yet are still unable to work out the formula it doesn't inspire confidence in one predictions
Just a few years ago the world was stunned to discover Antarctic ice was three to five time thicker that previously though tripling to quintupling one variable to calculate cubic volume kinda screws the results. And yet for decades models predicting ice loss were based on erroneous data
Finally those claiming it to be a problem sure dont act like it is
lujlp at August 12, 2017 9:50 PM
Also his call to reduce consumption?
There is only one way to use less fuel, and that is to have less people.
Take the US, if we were to magically today return to pre 1950 per capita consumption rates we would still be using more than twice what we did in the 50s
Also keep in mind 60% of fossil fuel consumption goes to growing food.
Look here in 2016 the US created 145 billion dollars worth of plant food products and exported 130 billion of it according to
https://www.fas.usda.gov/.../infographic-us-agricultural...
130/145 = 90%
90% of the food grown here is sold or given away outside our borders.
So lets assume we reduce carbon consumption by 25% OK
145 billion -25% = 108 billion, minus the 15 billion used in the US and that gives us 94 billion
That is 36 billion dollars worth of food being taken away from the rest of the world
Think that might result in more starvation?
Some climate change advocates recommend reducing carbon consumption by HALF
That would be 73 billion produced - 15 billion consumed nationally leaving 57 for export.
A loss of nearly 75 billion dollars worth of food to the rest of the world.
And that is just from America. Imagine the loss from every country combined should fossil fuel consumption be reduced.
lujlp at August 12, 2017 9:54 PM
Who won the Miley Cyrus wackazoid challenge?
Radwaste at August 12, 2017 10:50 PM
CNN!
Crid at August 13, 2017 1:44 AM
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