Breaking - Las Vegas shooting: At least 50 dead, more than 400 injured in massacre:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/reports-active-shooter-near-mandalay-bay-in-las-vegas.html

Sometimes, it helps to include yourself in the loop.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21758/san-juan-mayor-admits-she-hasnt-met-federal-joseph-curl#

This is working out for you now, wonder how things will go long term.

https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/09/26/lesbian-bishop-calls-jesus-bigot/

Not even 24 hours since the Las Vegas shootings and Hillary is already trying to capitalize on the tragedy with a demand that we give up our rights again.

Shameless.

It must be "pin the tail on the intern" at the Albuquerque FBI office.

https://twitter.com/FBIAlbuquerque/status/913116219737227264

Not even 24 hours since the Las Vegas shootings and Hillary is already trying to capitalize on the tragedy with a demand that we give up our rights again. ~ Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 2, 2017 9:07 AM

And she has plenty of fellow travelers tweeting support for her anti-NRA position in this.

She's desperate to stay in the public eye. I think she still wants to run in 2020, despite what will be an advanced age. Whether the Democratic Party will accept that remains to be seen.

Gog, never let a crisis go to waste. But, in case one is interested, you can find out how well suppressors...suppress sound.

https://crimefictionbook.com/2015/04/28/how-loud-is-a-silencer/

Oh, Puerto Rico. On the other hand, you get the government you vote for, so...

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/914234120133263361

And the anti-gun crowd ramps up to go on the warpath. The Las Vegas shooting is the NRA's fault. And MarketWatch has lost all pretense of being primarily a financial news site.

"Breaking - Las Vegas shooting: At least 50 dead, more than 400 injured in massacre:"

This event is an example of the easiest attack on Americans, for a variety of reasons. The same type of individual could go to the airport and stop air traffic across most of America just by shooting tailfins.

But I am surprised that no one could engage this guy from outside the hotel with a police rifle.

I guess this is another thing nobody thought about beforehand.

Just like this: You cannot prevent someone from a first offense.

It will be used again to demand that the non-criminal do something, in the false hope that it will influence the criminal.

Meanwhile a CBS attorney is okay with the Las Vegas slaughter because - wait for it -

the victims were probably Republicans.

Meanwhile a CBS attorney is okay with the Las Vegas slaughter because - wait for it - the victims were probably Republicans. ~ Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 2, 2017 11:03 AM

Almost on cue, she's been fired by CBS.

I have sworn a pledge today that I don't particularly care about the shooter's ideology. No mainstream political philosophy in America today advocates mass murder. Whatever he believed in, if he had any coherent ideology at all (and I have no idea yet, because I haven't looked at the news since early this morning), it bears no relationship to what most Americans believe. More likely, given the usual history of such things, his beliefs were a grab bag of conspiracy theories, paranoias, and various sorts of mental illnesses. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

People will be asking "how can we learn from this?" I'm not sure there is anything to learn.

Gog, she sounds nice.

Meanwhile, the shooter's brother is flummoxed. He claims his brother wasn't a gun guy, and also, where did he get automatic weapon(s)?

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/914858082747998209

But I am surprised that no one could engage this guy from outside the hotel with a police rifle.

Back of the envelope calculations suggest that the 32nd floor is approximately 360 feet off the ground. Probably just easier to wait for the 911 calls from his near neighbors to flood in, and pin point him that way. Less collateral damage as well.

More Vegas:

https://twitter.com/ThomasWictor/status/914744070714429440

Today will be a day of epic stupid in social media, eat your Wheaties.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/10/02/vile-teacher-prays-only-trumptards-died-in-las-vegas-shooting-and-other-horrible-tweets/

At least he's consistent. Of course, he wants to disarm the law abiding and leave us to the tender mercies of the criminals.

“As after #Orlando, I will NOT be joining my colleagues in a moment of silence on the House Floor that just becomes an excuse for inaction,” Moulton tweeted Monday.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/353404-dem-rep-refusing-to-participate-in-moment-of-silence-on-house-floor-for-las

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/452117/based-early-reports-las-vegas-shooting-very-very-strange

"Back of the envelope calculations suggest that the 32nd floor is approximately 360 feet off the ground. Probably just easier to wait for the 911 calls from his near neighbors to flood in, and pin point him that way. Less collateral damage as well."

"Easier." "Less collateral damage."

What was the body count?

Pinpoint? The target venue said they could see flashes - and Mandalay Bay windows don't open, do they. Pick the OPEN one with gunfire coming out of it and break the shooter's fantasy of godhood by making him worry about being hurt before he's done.

Of course this is a shoulda/woulda/coulda, but the most effective deterrent to shooters is to shoot back.

...but the most effective deterrent to shooters is to shoot back. ~ Radwaste at October 2, 2017 2:08 PM

That was a 950+ ft shot. The average 9mm pistol's effective range in the hands of an expert shooter is roughly 100 yards (300 feet).

I doubt anyone at the concert had a weapon with the reach to effectively shoot back at a guy on the 32nd floor of a nearby hotel.

That was a 950+ ft shot. The average 9mm pistol's effective range in the hands of an expert shooter is roughly 100 yards (300 feet).

And you woild have to be very lucky at that.

Generally taking out a sniper requires a counter sniper. Or you gotta bust the door down behind him, and take him out from the inside.

Only thing that would have stopped this guy sooner would have been a security guard or a CCW permit holder who knew where the shooting was coming from AND had enough heft to break down the door. Not an easy task.

For a crazy guy, this was a well planned spree killing. He had been there for days. Probably brought the long guns up in a golf bag.....

He killed my cousin.

He killed my cousin.

Momof4 at October 2, 2017 6:36 PM

So sorry to hear that Momof4. My sympathies to you and your family.

Only thing that would have stopped this guy sooner would have been a security guard or a CCW permit holder who knew where the shooting was coming from AND had enough heft to break down the door. Not an easy task. ~ Isab at October 2, 2017 5:53 PM

The other delay seems to be that the initial 911 calls were about an active shooter at the fairgrounds, not a sniper at the Mandalay Bay. At least the ones they played on TV were about the fairgrounds. It probably took a while to redeploy the assets to take out the shooter in the building across the street.

Dumbass Richard Dawkins weighs in:

‘Durn Tootin’, Great Shootin”: Richard Dawkins Mocks Americans, 2nd Amendment After Las Vegas Shooting

And, of course, so does Hollywood:

Celebrities Rush to Call for Gun Control After Las Vegas Mass Shooting

#BoycottHollywood

I'm so sorry about your cousin, Momof4.

Condolences, M4.

Sorry to hear about your cousin, Momof4.

He was a great guy. Hadnt seen him in years, but he spent his life saving lives and gave his life saving one. And has apparently become the face of this. I found out at 5pm at work. Id heard news snippets in and out of rooms all day, but wasnt actually watching.

Thank you all. Many feel his loss far, far more acutely than I. I just know the injustice of it. He is a genuine loss to society as a whole, as are many of course.

Lena Dunham throws down the race and gender cards over Las Vegas:

Lena Dunham Says ‘No Way Not to Politicize’ Vegas Shooting: ‘It’s About Gender and Race’ Too

"He killed my cousin"

Oh wow. M4, I am so sorry to hear this. You and your family have my sympathies.

Sorry for your loss M4.