Ridiculous Crapthink: "Eek, We're About To Become Lesotho, Where Girls Aren't Even Safe At The Grocery Store"
Absolutely silly op-ed in the LA Times. In America, a few extremely powerful men in show biz and politics got away with sexual harassment and worse -- and we get compared with Lesotho.
The headline of the Ashley Harrell piece:
What happens when society ignores sexual assault? You get Lesotho, where girls aren't even safe at the grocery store
Oh, please. Africa is a violent, backward, and lawless place, to a great extent.
Harrell writes:
I spent three weeks in the country, dodging unwanted advances and hearing stories of frequent, unpunished sexual assaults. It was the most threatening environment for women that I had ever navigated. If somehow you still don't recognize the sweeping scale of sexual assault, if you think women across the world don't need to fight for each other with everything we have, try visiting Lesotho, where holding a man accountable for sexual violence is almost impossible....The epidemic of sexual violence against women in this nation of 2.2 million people is arguably the worst in the world, but it is rarely reported. The problem, women's rights advocates say, begins in childhood. Girls are taught to be compliant, to quietly endure suffering and to serve men.
The director of a local aid organization told me grown men regularly flirt with her 8-year-old daughter in the grocery store, capitalizing early on a grossly unequal power dynamic. UNICEF found that 19% of girls under 18 in Lesotho are forced into (illegal) marriages, oftentimes with older men. The rate of new HIV infections is the highest in the world (one in four people have the disease) thanks in no small part to a virtual army of Harvey Weinsteins preying on economically disadvantaged young women.
This sort of ridiculous hysteria -- that our country is anything like a place where 19% of teenaged girls are forced to marry -- makes things here cumulatively worse, not better.
This is the safest, most modern, most individual rights-driven country in the world.
If you are in a profession where there's a great deal of money and power, there are likely to be sociopaths of various stripes who will prey on you -- whether you're a man or a woman.
No, sexual assault should not be ignored, but we also don't help ourselves by turning an invitation out for a drink by a co-worker into some sort of victimization.
If it isn't your boss trying to manipulate you into the sack when you want no such thing; if there's no quid pro quo; if requests for a date stop when you ask for them to stop (or maybe after the second time), do you really need to identify as a victim?
Or...could you maybe identify as somebody whose co-worker asked them out, who wasn't interested, and who made that clear?
People have conflicting goals and desires. Any two people. Heterosexual men negotiate these with each other. They're very comfortable with it -- as am I, no matter what sex or sexuality you are or have.
If one person isn't holding the other down or saying "fuck me, or you lose your job..." ...If there's merely a need for a mild rebuff (like, "Sorry, I don't date co-workers), well, this seems to me like a normal part of adult life.
I predict two things from the current hysteria (where, say, a stolen kiss from a drunken co-worker is equated with Harvey Weinsteining and may even be seen as a firing offense):
1. Employers will think twice about hiring women, especially when they have the option of hiring a commensurately qualified male.
2. Men will start seeing escort workers in larger numbers than ever, and it will become more acceptable than it's ever been to pay for sex.








Oh, please. Africa is a violent, backward, and lawless place, to a great extent.
You are such a racist. /sarc
mpetrie98 at December 10, 2017 5:12 AM
You spelled "realist" wrong.
Amy Alkon at December 10, 2017 5:44 AM
Oh, and when I say "lawless," countries may have plenty of laws but that doesn't mean they are obeyed or that the systems support individual rights.
Amy Alkon at December 10, 2017 5:45 AM
Somehow the sex hysteria thing came up when talking to my mom yesterday. I said rape is horrific but a grown woman who doesnt know what to do when a man drops his pants at work, should not be allowed to work. She agreed, telling me "when I was 18, i had just moved away from (tiny rural town in the 50s), I was living in Nashville, going to school, and I had a job I LOVED at a record company. One day, I was in the bosses office doing dictation when he said "dont you want to come sit on my lap?". Let me tell you, he never asked me that again, and he didnt fire me, either.". Women that weigh out their options, and submit/dont tell in order to not risk losing their job/movie role, have made a decision to sell themselves. They dont get to claim victimhood later when the decision they made no longer benefits them.
Im not judging the decision, Im sure I have a price, too. Im judging the retroactive victimhood.
Life is too easy nowadays. Thalt people have the time and bandwidth to obsess over an unwanted pass, would have been mindboggling through all previous recorded human history.
Momof4 at December 10, 2017 6:14 AM
Why is she picking on Lesotho? Seriously there are much worse places in the world. I agree that Lesotho sucks but it is no where near "arguably the worst in the world".
Ben at December 10, 2017 6:31 AM
Ben: Why is she picking on Lesotho? Seriously there are much worse places in the world. I agree that Lesotho sucks but it is no where near "arguably the worst in the world".
That might be debatable. When your nation is completely surrounded by another nation, and that other nation is South Africa, you'd be hard-pressed to come up with something worse than that.
But I'm sure the vocal contingent of Lesothoan-Americans will step up and set Ashley Harrell straight.
Patrick at December 10, 2017 8:21 AM
"This is the safest, most modern, most individual rights-driven country in the world."
Yep.
Now, tell me again about the single motherhood rate, and explain why there are dozens of American cities that you will not walk unmolested.
It's too PC to talk about, isn't it?
Radwaste at December 10, 2017 9:20 AM
if you think women across the world don't need to fight for each other with everything we have,
Yet if I as a man say that it somehow mean I support rape.
Lets be brutally honest here, women like this ENJOY other women being raped because it gives them power, a platform boost for their bitching to be heard far and wide.
Its why feminists like Emma Watson spend their time talking about a wage gap that is generated by manipulating statistics, and not how the organization she works for does nothing as its own solderers rape thousands of women around the world
Its why that Eleveth(sp) whatever woman criticized a shirt (made by a woman FYI) the public face of a satellite landing on a comet wore and ignored all the contributions women made to that mind bogglingly precise scientific endeavor
Its why feminists claim kissing under the mistletoe is rape, and in the very next breath claim men refusing to have sex with women at all is ALSO rape
On top of this when false accusations collapse in public fashion they double down. The faculty at Duke never apologized to the men they accused of being rapists, not when the case fell apart, not when the media finally dug into her past and found other instances of her lying about rape, not even to the guy who literally had security footage of him being nearly a hundred miles away at the time.
These people dont give a shit about anyone other than themselves and their small power base. The only reaction they have via a vie rape is the hope that it continues so they can continue to cling to power.
Jackals like this are why I hope I am wrong about the existence of a god because people like that truly deserve to be tormented for a few thousand millennia
lujlp at December 10, 2017 9:44 AM
In college, an older beatnik offered a backrub (I was renting a room in this big flop-house). This let me know he was a gay beatnik. I said no, end of story. No trauma. The idea that a guy asking you out several times is harassment is crazy--so many women play hard to get or aren't interested at first--as long as it isn't your boss, just roll with it. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of couples had the girl say no at first. That is how dating works.
cc at December 10, 2017 10:45 AM
In the end, moral panics underrmine the very cause they purport to serve.
The Kern County sex abuse cases harmed our ability to prosecute child sex abuse. So much so, that it likely enabled the Catholic Church to cover for pedophile priests.
Michael Ejercito at December 10, 2017 11:44 AM
[UN] she works for does nothing as its own solderers rape thousands
Yes, the UN peacekeeping forces seem to have a taste for mother raping, child raping, and probably even father raping. Not sure how they manage to do that, but they are fairly consistent.
I R A Darth Aggie at December 10, 2017 2:20 PM
This is a tough topic to comment on because I do want to show the appropriate care and concern for the victims. However, over the past few weeks, it's been on my mind that sexual harassment is "unwanted" sexual advances, and the "unwanted" part needs to be communicated in some way, shape of form.
Unless it's one of the situations like Terry Crews' where someone grabbed his privates, or one of the situations where the guy begins touching himself in front of someone who isn't interested, I think women (and men) need to prepare now for how to say "no" to general advances. That's the first line of defense for general come-ons. If the person doesn't address that the attention is not wanted, and they just go along with it because they are too uncomfortable to say something about it, unless your job is on the line, being silent or coy could be exacerbating the problem. You walk away feeling harassed and the other person walks away thinking you may be interested.
I heard a podcast recently where the guest was talking about the women he saw throwing themselves at Harvey Weinstein, Donald Trump, etc. Let's not forget that the accused are often married--sometimes multiple times, so their come-on tactics and personalities are clearly working for some people. How do we make our stances clear? By using our words and actions. Maybe people will say this shouldn't happen in the workplace, but that ignores all the relationships that have been sparked from spending hours together each day. We need to be vocal and be prepared.
Michael Rochelle at December 10, 2017 2:51 PM
-Be Confident
-Be Attractive
-Don’t Be Unattractive
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/sexual-harassment/2751966?snl=1
Abersouth at December 10, 2017 5:20 PM
Patrick, I would say nations with open sex slavery and open sale of women as worse. Lesotho to the best of my knowledge is like much of south africa where people don't want to bring rape charges because it would tragically traumatize the rapists. I agree it is a hell hole. But this read more of a brag about how Harrell has been to some random hell hole almost no one has heard of.
Ben at December 11, 2017 1:23 PM
There is a huge power disparity between men and women. Men obviously have much more drive for intercourse. If things were equal between the sexes as far as strength of urgency in the drive for sex, there would be no problem and everyone would be happy and satisfied. The reality is that most men live in a state of sexual famine. Some food starved people will break laws to get the food they are starved for. Some sex starved men will break rules to get what they are starved for. If one views men as something other than a dehumanized enemy not deserving of anything other than sexual starvation, there are ways of dealing with this situation that may be mutually beneficial. I think legal prostitution would be a big help. I've known several women with the sex drive of a teenage boy. If they're awake, they'd like to have a penis inside them. One woman like that could take care of many men. The woman and the man involved would be delighted and relieved. Prostitution does not necessarily harm a woman. The U.S. is quite puritanical. There have been past cultures in which prostitution was accepted and women weren't made to feel bad about what they do. There are countries today that don't have the damaging shaming attitude found in the U.S.. Legalized prostitution would result in less pressure from men for sex. If you look at the whole situation from afar it seems ludicrous to have sex starved men being restricted from having sex with the women who want to have sex all the time. I do R and D work in a technical field and tend to look at things rationally. Unfortunately rationality oftentimes is at odds with present social convention.
Brian Gerrits at December 11, 2017 9:38 PM
"If they're awake, they'd like to have a penis inside them."
Somebody should have explained that to Dr. Cosby in a timely fashion.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at December 12, 2017 8:38 AM
I knew a girl in college who had five boyfriends Gog. It was kinda creepy. They all knew each other. They were all in the relationship together. Kinda like that Futurama episode. Not my cup of tea. But whatever.
Ben at December 12, 2017 11:34 AM
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