Tell me again how we live in a rape culture?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/31958/teen-who-lied-about-ex-boyfriend-raping-her-amanda-prestigiacomo

"This is one of those moments that tells you everything about our ruling class. They care far more about foreigners than about their own people."

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1008864424935993344

"Of the 1300 detained children at a Texas facility, only 70 were separated from parents, the other 1230 came over alone. What should be done? Let em loose unsupervised or send them back unsupervised?"

https://twitter.com/PastorDScott/status/1008577895982354434

LE source actively involved in situation at border tells DailyCaller single males with "children" are increasingly arriving. Neither the child nor the adult can answer basic questions about each other, authorities suspect rampant fraud

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/illegals-other-children-asylum-claims/

10,000 of the 12,000 kids in US custody came here alone, unaccompanied.

https://twitter.com/willchamberlain/status/1008836223685685248

Reason sharpens the blade corrupt hate groups like SPLC have at our throats. Libertarians are AWOL on the most important issues in America today, while they waste their time with comparatively small things.

https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1008824798225498113

LE source actively involved in situation at border tells DailyCaller single males with "children" are increasingly arriving. Neither the child nor the adult can answer basic questions about each other, authorities suspect rampant fraud ~ Snoopy at June 19, 2018 5:17 AM

"Of the 1300 detained children at a Texas facility, only 70 were separated from parents, the other 1230 came over alone. What should be done? Let em loose unsupervised or send them back unsupervised?" ~ Snoopy at June 19, 2018 4:53 AM

10,000 of the 12,000 kids in US custody came here alone, unaccompanied. ~ Snoopy at June 19, 2018 5:20 AM

FROM MY POST YESTERDAY:

The manufactured furor over this is serving more to obscure the truth than expose it.

As I understand it, this stems mostly from a change in the nature and composition of illegal immigration. For a long time, illegal immigration to the US was mostly young men and our laws were written for that.

Then, women began making the crossing. And they often brought their children with them. Illegal immigrants soon discovered the presence of children greased the skids for entry, adults with children being released into society to await their deportation hearing - and often disappearing once so released. As a result, illegal immigrants began bringing children with them, theirs or someone else's.

The Trump Administration, however, stopped the practice of releasing adults with children, preferring to detain all illegal immigrants as a message of zero tolerance for breaking US immigration laws.

Immigrants suspected of illegal entry are turned over to the US Marshalls to await trial. The Marshall Service does not take care of children in any case, instead turning them over to HHS.

The Flores Consent Decree of 1997 said that unaccompanied minors can only be held for 20 days. After a surge of families from Central America began arriving at the United States’ southwestern border in 2014, the Obama administration opened family detention centers. That prompted more lawsuits, which argued that doing so had breached the Flores settlement by not releasing children swiftly.

In 2016, the Ninth Circuit Court expanded Flores to include minors crossing over accompanied by adults but overturned a Federal District Court’s decision that the government must also release the parents.

The Trump Administration decided on a zero-tolerance policy for illegal immigration, preferring to adjudicate each adult, rather than just the childless ones - resulting in the expanded detention of the minors they brought with them.

Asylum hearings can take years to adjudicate and the Flores clock would run out long before the hearing was resolved, so separation and detention was the only alternative short of opening the borders to all crossers with children.

Trump is wrong about many things on this - mistaken or intentionally lying is up to each individual to decide - but he's right about one thing. Congress can fix this, either with more money for more family detention facilities or a new, perhaps comprehensive, immigration law that abrogates Flores and speeds up the asylum hearing process.

Speaking of the SPLC... they just had to pay out a rather large settlement to someone whom they defamed. They also have to publish a public apology. Couldn't happen to a bunch of nicer guys.

Reason publishes this the SPLC defamation case. I'm sorry, frivolous what again? surely SLPC can find some pro bono free speech lawyers to take on the case? maybe a SLAPP suit???

The Southern Poverty Law Center’s Apology to Maajid Nawaz Is Bad News for Free Speech

Frivolous defamation lawsuits undermine the First Amendment.

https://reason.com/blog/2018/06/18/southern-poverty-law-center-nawaz

FBI agents on the take.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/06/15/sports-tickets-other-freebies-for-fbi-leakers-raise-bribery-issues-legal-experts-say/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Botanical creature stirs, seeking revenge...

Huh. Doesn't "volunteers" in this context denote free labor?

A quarter-century-old feminist bookstore in Portland, Oregon is slated to close its doors at the end of this month, and part of the reason, it says, is its “inability to ‘reform and re-envision’ a space founded on ‘white, cis feminism (read: white supremacy).'”

In Other Words, founded in 1993 by Portland State University professor Johanna Brenner and a pair of women’s health activists, also cited difficulty with funding and a lack of volunteers.

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/45955/

Botanical creature stirs, seeking revenge...

Burn it with fire! It as if fire ants, poison ivy and biting beetles aren't bad enough.

Luj, unless you live in the UK, I don't know what you mean by "we."

Even so, England, at least, IS known for more misogyny than the U.S., last I heard. (So is Scotland.)

At any rate, I don't like using the term "rape culture," so I don't. However, it should be easy enough to sympathize with those who demand to know why parents, especially, are more or less willing to admit that even THEIR precious kids could drink and drive and kill someone out of selfishness and indifference, and so the parents talk directly to the teens about the importance of Taking Responsibility for not doing that, but the same parents very often won't talk to their sons about taking the word "no" seriously, since they don't want to believe THEIR precious son might ignore the word out of selfishness. (Not to mention that parents often turn a blind eye to the fact that teenage boys, unlike ten-year-old boys, don't understand that "unwanted sex" is real and not just some stupid PC myth.)

Again, any ten-year-old knows that drinking and driving is seriously wrong and illegal, but that doesn't mean parents and teachers don't need to emphasize that to TEENS. Teens are different. Period. Teens who don't get taught, firmly, often become serial drunk drivers. It IS possible to prevent that, with intervention. Same goes for rapists, whether they know what they're doing or not. No one's saying it'll be easy - but how is that an excuse for parent/teacher neglect?

And yes, of course teaching kids not to lie in heartless ways isn't always easy either.

"teenage boys, unlike ten-year-old boys, don't understand that 'unwanted sex' is real and not just some stupid PC myth."

In the world of "yes means yes except when it means no", how is the teenage boy (or even the adult man, for that matter) to know when sex is wanted? The cautious man must assume that the woman does not, or cannot, consent under nearly all circumstances.

I won't say climate change is making us dumb, but it is demonstrating that some people don't have enough math & stats background to not understand what it is that they don't know.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/19/pielkes-retort-to-aps-seth-borenstein-how-climate-change-is-making-us-dumb/

Ah lenona, can I direct your attention to the Aziz Ansari debacle? Keep in mind all of this info comes from the woman her self

01. Woman ditches her date to hit on celebrity
02. Woman goes back to celebs house
03. Celeb gets handsy
04. Woman says stop
05. Celeb stops
06. Woman does not leave
07. Celeb suggests other sex stuff
08. Woman takes off own clothes
09. Woman sucks his dick, after being asked verbally
10. Woman sucks his dick a second time, after being asked

At no time was she restrained or prevented from leaving, he stopped when she asked and never did that act again, she took off her own clothes and sucked him off twice

Yet somehow its basically rape because she decided several days after the fact that she didnt enjoy it as much in retrospect as she did in the moment.

Until such time as we can craft an objective standard for rape how can you teach someone not to do it?

Ansari stopped when asked, did nothing to hold her, harm her, or do anything she did not consent to.

He even went out of his way to ask verbally to proceed on sex acts, everything people like you demand

AND IT STILL WANST GOOD ENOUGH

Please, explain how in the fuck you train young men not to run afoul of consent issues when men are accused of rape even when following proscribed consent guidelines to the letter?

Regarding IRA Darth Aggie's link

So, as I understand it, the bookstore is closing because they kept calling all their volunteers and donors racist pieces of shit, and they cant figure out why no one wants to volunteer or donate any more?

In the world of "yes means yes except when it means no", how is the teenage boy (or even the adult man, for that matter) to know when sex is wanted?
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There are very few cases of the woman actually using the word "yes" and then filing a rape claim with the police for what most people consider laughable reasons. Otherwise, we'd by talking about percentages, not individuals, AND those percentages would be in the news a lot more often.

Hint: It is not laughable for a woman to get terrified by a man who's a head taller than she is, even if she doesn't actually say "no." (She could be scared of his getting extra violent if she does say no - especially if she doesn't know him that well.) Same goes for someone who's hearing the demands of her superior at work - and she desperately needs to keep her job. Same goes for a woman who's faced by more than one man blocking the door.

I don't know what the law says about two same-age teens when the boy threatens to dump the girl if she doesn't consent - but that's clearly highly wrong and boorish for the boy to do anyway, so that's another thing to teach boys not to do. (Any boy or man can simply stop talking to her without warning, so that would not count as a threat.)

Luj, I don't know much about the Ansari case -I didn't read the details back when it came out - but I admit the woman didn't sound much like a sympathetic character. At any rate, she's still just one person.

Btw, years ago, Miss Manners said the one-night stand needs to be done away with, for everyone's good. Some Catholic leaders recently said the same thing, in effect.

https://www.crisismagazine.com/2018/metoo-movement-doomed-fail

What they got wrong is that it's any political group's job to do that. IMO, it's strictly the job of young people and their wimpy parents to rebel against it. After all, young people have always been the ones to demand adult rights and the right to decadent behavior at earlier and earlier ages. "Heaven forbid we should binge-drink at a later age or crash cars less than our parents did!"

(As I've mentioned, I never considered getting drunk for its own sake to be normal "adult behavior," but I learned that as a kid by being surrounded by ADULTS who felt the same way, not because any adult ever lectured me on that particular point.)

Oh yes - if we're going to call women stupid for getting physically hurt after sleeping with men they don't know well, maybe we should have the same standards for boys?

More on that (no, it's not about false accusations):

http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2015/06/17/25_years_on_the.html

See Allison at June 17, 2015 5:52 PM.

And I realize hardly anyone will see this, but I would add that teenage boys are more likely to be worried that they'll graduate high school before they have sex than they are to worry about their legal knowledge not being up to date. Or about listening closely to any unpleasant news stories about rape accusations and learning from those stories.

So, it may be a safe bet that at least HALF of teen boys have never heard of "yes means yes except when it means no" in part because they don't WANT to know about it, but also because, again, it's not as common as MRAs want to believe - and I don't know how likely it is for sex ed teachers to mention it, since many (most?) of THEM have never heard of that outrageous scenario either.

Of course, we can always count on the media to focus on the most outrageous cases, such as women who have sex while sober and get mad when the men don't call them days later, but that hardly means that even 10% of women think that regret=rape. I'm sure it's less. Especially when almost any prosecutor will tell you that in a rape case, you want 12 men on the jury, because women are often anxious to believe that "that could never happen to me; I'm too smart," so they end up blaming the accuser, if not directly.