Maybe I'm missing something, but what could Ron Perlman have done? If the victims aren't coming forward, Ron Perlman pointing the finger screaming "Rapist!" will do exactly nothing to hurt Weinstein.

In fact, it will likely make Weinstein seem like the victim of unfounded rumors, because people would be asking how the hell Ron Perlman would know that Weinstein was sexually assaulting women if these women aren't coming forward?

First of all, he peed on his hand. Ew.

Second of all, he bragged about it, as if by that simple act, he made a difference in the world.

Ass pennies, anyone?

What could Ron Perlman have done? Passed the information to a journalist, done what Courtney Love did.

The thing about peeing on his hand is disgusting.

But I'm just trying to think of what I could have done in Ron Perlman's place. I know that Harvey Weinstein has sexually assaulted various women in the industry, but these women have not come forward.

Even without considering how this would adversely affect my career, I honestly don't know what I could have done about this. If I go to a journalist with information about whom Weinstein has sexually assaulted, I have outed these women before they were prepared to out themselves. What happens if one or more of these women that I've outed as victims of sexual assault denies it? What if they aren't prepared to come forward with their accusations? What if some of them have decided that their careers are worth being sexually assaulted by a disgusting old pervert?

The decision to come forward about the abuse they suffered must be theirs.

And if just go to a journalist and allege that Harvey Weinstein is sexually assaulting actresses without names to go on, what can the journalist do? Just start approaching actresses at random, "Excuse me, but did Harvey Weinstein ever sexually assault you?"

As far as I can tell, the best thing I could do is pass the word along to aspiring actresses as Courtney Love did in 2005 although she did it publicly. "If Harvey Weinstein invites you to a private party in the Four Seasons, don't go."

A million dollars says he never did any such thing. So it’s just empty posing. Twitter has outed him as an insufferable blowhard.

Perlman has outed himself as an insufferable blowhard.

Fixed it for you. Twitter is just the platform.

The Weinstein story is full of people trying to spin their passive acceptance and enabling as brave resistance.

Peeing on your hand to shake hands with Harvey Weinstein instead of outing him falls into that category. Perlman risked nothing - did nothing that could have put his career in jeopardy. There was no bravery or courage on display here.

I agree with you Patrick that there is little effective Perlman could have done. Passing on the word to avoid being alone with Weinstein is probably the best option he had.

But peeing on his hand and shaking Weinstein's hand isn't an effective option. Perlman has just bragged that he is a disgusting person and you don't want to touch him. This is actually worse than doing nothing.

As they say at Instapundit, all they have to do is not be crazy, and they can't manage it.

What could he have done?
Depends on how sure he was of what was happening and did he know any probable victims.

1.Protect Courtney Loves career.

2. Encourage other victims to step forward and help protect their careers.

3. Warn new people.

4. Talk to news and or police depending on level of knowledge.

1. Protect Courtney Love's career.

How? He's an actor, not a producer. He has no control over whether Courtney Love gets hired.

2. Encourage other victims to step forward and help protect their careers.

He could encourage victims to come forward. And they could also realize that coming forward will endanger their careers, since Ron Perlman is in no position to protect anyone's career in Hollywood. Even his own career is subject to the whims of producers. He has very limited ability to protect his own career, much less anyone else's.

3. Warn new people.

Which is what I suggested he do, and probably the only thing he could do that would have any impact at all.

4. Talk to news and or police depending on level of knowledge.

And if these victims don't wish to come forward or aren't prepared to come forward? Or if these victims have decided that being coerced or forced into sexual relations with a lecherous old pervert is worth it to progress in Hollywood?

You cannot out other people as victims of sexual assault. They are the only ones who can decide they want to do this. You can certainly be supportive if they choose to come out. You can also helpfully corroborate their claims with what you know, if you know anything. And how much does a third party truly know about what happens between two people behind closed doors? But outing someone who isn't ready to be outed is despicable, completely unethical and prone to backfire on you.

Asking here because I generally respect the crowd:

1) Am I the only one who has to google the name of all these actors mentioned in these articles?

2) Who da fuck is Ron Perlman, was I supposed to know that name, have it mapped to a face and some personal experience with a show I once chain watched?

3) How do you keep up with all these hollywood/pop star names? People magazine in the waiting room? Is there some respectable version of TMZ for old people who make unironic comments on Nextdoor?

Maybe you're all just playing it off but my reaction to the name Ron Perlman was, "wait, I thought she was married to Danny DeVito?"

Bottles of Purell should be de rigueur in next award season's gift baskets. Yuck.

Ron Perlman?

Liked him in Am Anfang war das Feuer. Nothing memorable since then....

" Am I the only one who has to google the name of all these actors mentioned in these articles?"

Nope I had to too.

"How? He's an actor, not a producer. He has no control over whether Courtney Love gets hired."

Sorry nope, major stars do have power and influence in Hollywood. Could be as simple as name dropping in an interview, by an A list star can make or break someones career. I'd love to work with X, X is underrated, I'll never work with X again. Or as definite as if you want me, you give her a part in something.
The main fear of coming forward is they will be blackballed, not just in a Harvey picture but in all pictures. But Harvey is just one producer if they saw some support from others, more could have come forward earlier.

"how"

Having just checked IMDB, yes after decades in the business. Ron Perlman is also a Producer.

"1. Protect Courtney Loves career."

I agree that this one probably wasn't workable. It is also a fairly poor way to keep a third party from bad behavior.

"2. Encourage other victims to step forward and help protect their careers."

This is a good suggestion.

"3. Warn new people."

Also a good suggestion.

4. Talk to news and or police depending on level of knowledge.

The police and media were well informed. Without enough people coming forwards the police can't do much. The NYTimes put together multiple articles about Weinstein over the years. The editorial board nixed all of them. There was little secret or hidden about Weinstein's behavior.

Joe J: Sorry nope, major stars do have power and influence in Hollywood.

Wrong, again. Perlman was never an A-lister. Or, as IMDB put it, "he has never been a bankable star."

And even if he were, even A-listers can be broken when they run afoul of producers. Just ask Charlie Sheen.

I sincerely doubt that Perlman ever had the kind of clout where he could insist on a particular co-star to the point where moguls with the power of Weinstein would have capitulated. "Oh, hey! If Perlman wants Courtney Love, we have to bring him Courtney Love!"

Nope. Don't see it happening. Perlman was never a celebrity of the calibre that producers felt they must have and couldn't possibly use anyone else. More likely, if Perlman ever dug in his heels and said, "You can't use me unless you use Courtney Love!" they would have simply gotten someone else.

Joe J.

Having just checked IMDB, yes after decades in the business. Ron Perlman is also a Producer.

Hardly. I checked his credits also. He has one producer credit to his name and three executive producer credits, all of which he also starred in.

Moreover, his earliest producer credit was for a short film called Elwood and was in 2011, a full six years after Courtney Love made the statement that got her blacklisted.

His remaining producer credits all fall in 2017.

Nothing about Perlman suggests he ever had the kind of clout you insist he should have used to protect Courtney Love's career.

Weinstein, by contrast, has 13 credits as producer, two as director, and around 200 credits as Executive producer.

Even without considering how this would adversely affect my career, I honestly don't know what I could have done about this.
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Two words: Hannibal Buress.

From this April:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/04/26/hannibal-buress-unwittingly-reignited-the-bill-cosby-firestorm-heres-how-he-dealt-with-the-aftermath/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3c7e37397020

THIS surprised me, as did a couple of other details:

"In interview after interview, Buress has rejected the notion that he had any agenda to take Cosby down or intended for the joke to blow up as it did. He also hasn’t disowned the joke."

So, peeing on one's own hand is now a form of virtue signaling? yuck!

So, maybe Ron Perlman (yea, I too thought, wait isn't she married to Danny DeVito or is he the as-seen-on-tv sales pitch guy?) speaking out wouldn't have accomplished anything.

But, you don't know if you don't try. And he didn't try, did he?

Maybe his speaking out would have encouraged others to come forward? No, better to hide in the shadows and let others do the dirty work and THEN claim to do something "courageous"? Really, peeing on your own had is now "courageous"? Double yuck!

P.S. Why do some many on the left harbor such disgusting thoughts? from peeing on your hand and sharing your pee to putting 12-year old boys in cages with kiddy diddlers (via Peter Fonda of that one sick family fame)

Charles: So, peeing on one's own hand is now a form of virtue signaling? yuck!

The irony is so staggering. Perlman (if his account is to be believed) actually urinated on his own hand, then shook hands with Weinstein.

And he's proud of himself, "Huh-huh-huh, I just put piss on your hand when I shook it."

While he has -- I don't know -- about five times as much urine on his own to put a residual amount on Harvey Weinstein's hand.

Yep. That is the problem with being emotion based. You do things that just don't make sense. Like intentionally peeing on your own hands. Or yelling at people in a restaurant. Or calling up government officials and threating to kill their kids.

And then you get to yell and scream about how the people you don't like are vile and uncivil.

Id just like to point out to all the hygiene signalers that urine is sterile

Urine is sterile when it leaves the bladder. By the time it exits the body, however, and depending on the individual's health and diet, it may have picked up other contaminants.

Not to mention after it's been on your hands for a while.

What else did Perlman touch after his peeshake with Weinstein? Little bits of pee all over the buffet table?

"Id just like to point out to all the hygiene signalers that urine is sterile"

Sure it is "sterile." But, there is still a yuck factor, no?

Plus, there is the fact that this clown is PROUD of sharing his pee.

Again, what is with these people who think of such sick stuff?