Bird Scooter Hate In Venice -- And The Idiocy Of The Haters
I think it's great that people are getting around on Bird scooters -- and that we're seeing yet another apparently successful smartphone-driven business.
Many feel very differently.
There's an article in the LA Times on the hatred of Bird scooters by many in my Venice neighborhood -- and some pretty disgusting vandalism of the scooters. Here's a 32-year-old thug-slash-film producer:
When Hassan Galedary of Culver City sees a Bird scooter, a knot in his stomach begins to twist and his teeth clench, he said. The 32-year-old film producer describes the sensation as one of "violent bitterness.""I hate Birds more than anyone," Galedary said. "They suck. People who ride them suck."
He loathes the scooters so much that he waged what he calls an "insurgency" against them, tossing the contraptions into trash cans on Abbott Kinney Boulevard and down the Culver City Stairs. He even designed a T-shirt of a chick perched on a scooter being shot in the head. Many of his anti-scooter antics have been featured on the Bird Graveyard account.
So where does all this scooter scorn come from?
Galedary grew up on the Westside and said he hates how kids there are paying to ride scooters instead of honoring the local traditions of surfing and skateboarding. He hates the traffic accidents they cause -- "Bird on Bird," "Bird on person" and "Bird on car"-- and he hates how they can be left anywhere for pedestrians to trip over.
"The city is already losing so much culture due to gentrification," Galedary said.
Virtue-signal all the way, dude -- all the way to a jail cell, I hope. (Just when he was bragging about going straight.)
Okay, some people "drive" badly on Bird scooters; others leave them in the middle of the sidewalk. (I move them to the side on my block with some frequency.) Others get in accidents on Birds.
But probably many of these Birds take the place of cars -- in an urban area with a lot of traffic and scarce parking.
And because some people "drive" Birds badly doesn't mean all do. Because some park rudely doesn't mean all do.
Personally, I think it's good to embrace alternatives to cars.
And look who seems to be so absolutely irate about these scooters -- it's the so-called "progressives." And why? I'd guess it's because somebody's making money on them.
However...how long will that continue if the vandalism continues?
And how ugly that it's publicly celebrated.
Also, having seen how hard it was for my dad to be an entrepreneur, and having been one myself (syndicating my own column), I have respect for anybody who builds a business -- as well as respect for people's property.
Robyn Norris Casady -- commenting at the LA Times -- gets it:
These scooters are in innovative answer to a huge problem. I don't understand the vitriole directed towards them... We should all drive in our cars and just create more traffic and pollute the air and never change a thing?We have had such an intensely hot summer with fires raging all around us, but no one wants to change? Because the sight of a scooter on a sidewalk is annoying in a city where 95% of the sidewalks go un-walked on?? The logic eludes me.
Scooters are a great idea and they are fun! What exactly is the problem? Adapt or die... our kids future depends on us being able to innovate and problem solve. Birds are the best idea to solve this city's age old problem... if we were all on birds or bikes how amazing would this place be?
I am profoundly confused. I wish we would all get out of our cars and into the sunlight. The city is only 15 miles from downtown to the beach and this the whole place is navigable if we weren't all stuck in car traffic our whole life. Birds are the answer, not the problem!!!








"Because the sight of a scooter on a sidewalk is annoying in a city where 95% of the sidewalks go un-walked on?? "
Yeah, we've all heard the song "Walking in L.A.", right? I'd say the antagonism is a combination of: (1) the usual leftist hatred of any technology that provides individual transportation to the masses, and (2) the self-unawareness of progressives who are turning into their parents, or rather into the caricature of their parents that the progressives have built. Leftism is teenage rebellion, and the one thing that a rebel hates more than anything is being rebelled against.
Cousin Dave at August 14, 2018 6:53 AM
I move them to the side on my block with some frequency.
You're going to send them an invoice, right? your time is valuable, and you shouldn't be providing a free service.
But I have questions: does Bird have a sweetheart deal with the City of Venice? and who is financially responsible if a Bird user is at fault in an accident??
The dweeb who's vandalizing these scooters is missing out. What he really should be doing is tripping over them, and then filing suits in small claims court against the company for injuries suffered. At least initially, the lawyers will advise paying him off, presuming they even show up to the hearing.
What's a couple hundred or thousand here or there? right up until the rest of the pedestrians realize that a Bird in the middle of the sidewalk is easy money. Death by a thousand paper cuts.
I'm not opposed to the concept. It is the implementation of mixing incompatible vehicle types, be that Birds vs cars, or pedestrians vs Birds that draws my ire.
This has some additional information. I like this one Just like other vehicles, electric scooter should not be used on sidewalks.
https://www.ticketsnipers.com/article/rules-of-the-road-bird-lime-scooters
I R A Darth Aggie at August 14, 2018 7:50 AM
Some people focus only on the inconvenience to themselves and not on the convenience to others. My uncle is like that. At 88, he hates bike share programs because the bikes, when not in use, are parked on sidewalks, making it inconvenient for him to get around them on his daily walks.
Now, at 88, it's impressive he walks 10-15 miles per day, but he doesn't have to be anywhere quickly. Others, who have deadlines, may prefer to be able to use a shared scooter or bike. So, the shared transportation models have utility to them.
For the collectivists, the subway is preferred to the scooter because it moves masses and is centrally planned and controlled.
Conan the Grammarian at August 14, 2018 8:03 AM
These scooters solve one of the big problems with transit: you get off the train or bus and still have 1/2 mile to go to your destination. This is a brilliant idea.
And the hatred of "genrification" is so insane--they would prefer that rundown neighborhoods with abandoned buildings continue to decline? Gentrification is renewal. The idea that the people living in some neighborhood "own" the neighborhood is so tribal. People can move if prices are going up due to renewal. Why don't they rail against a city that will not allow housing to be built? That is what keeps prices high.
cc at August 14, 2018 8:47 AM
Seems like if it's OK for an entrepreneur to park a row of scooters or bicycles on a sidewalk and collect fees from customers who use them, it should also be OK for a different entrepreneur to set up a small folding table or display rack on a sidewalk and peddle watches or flowers or cookies.
http://dailybruin.com/images/2018/04/web.ns_.birdscrackdown2.NS_-640x516.jpg
Ken R at August 14, 2018 11:13 AM
See the smiles on their faces?
http://matchbin-assets.s3.amazonaws.com/public/sites/351/assets/6XN_2_web_DSC_4575.jpg
That's enough to make me like the idea.
Ken R at August 14, 2018 11:16 AM
Here we see happy people of color:
https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5ac284ff2f2ece30008b4847-750-563.jpg
Opposition to scooter and bicycle sharing is racist.
Ken R at August 14, 2018 11:22 AM
Scooter sharing has opened up entrepreneurial opportunities for others. Somebody has to recharge all those scooters every day. They get paid per-scooter. Here we see an independent scooter recharger happily making money in San Jose, CA.
https://i0.wp.com/www.eastbaytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/SJM-L-JUICERS-XXXX-20.jpg?fit=620%2C9999px&ssl=1
Ken R at August 14, 2018 11:29 AM
We can't even get bicyclists off the sidewalks and into the bike lanes, how are we going to be kept safe from these pinheads?
I found one of their scooters dumped in the bushes the other day. Awesome. Thanks, environmental scooter saviors, Earth needs you!
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at August 14, 2018 5:03 PM
"And the hatred of 'genrification' is so insane--they would prefer that rundown neighborhoods with abandoned buildings continue to decline? "
The drug dealers and gang-bangers, yes, they would prefer that. Given what we're starting to discover about the connections between the gangs and the Democratic Party in Chicago...
Cousin Dave at August 15, 2018 6:38 AM
I hope the company fails, but not for the reasons complained about
here. The concept is good, but look at what you have to agree to:
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6. License to Image and Likeness. For good and
valuable consideration, the receipt and adequacy of
which are hereby acknowledged, You do hereby knowingly,
voluntarily, and irrevocably: (1) give Your full and
unconditional consent to Bird and its affiliates,
successors, and assigns to use at any time and from
time to time, without any restriction, Your appearance
and voice in photographs, videos, and other recordings
related to Your use of the Bird Services, on all
websites and for all press, promotional, advertising,
publicity, and other commercial purposes, including all
formats and media, whether now known or hereafter
devised, throughout the world and in perpetuity; (2)
grant to Bird and its affiliates, successors, and
assigns (a) the right to photograph, videotape, and
otherwise record Your appearance and voice related to
Your use of the Bird Services, at any time and from
time to time, (b) all rights, copyrights, title, and
interests in the results of such photographs, videos,
and other recordings, as a work for hire for copyright
purposes, and (c) the right to use, reproduce, exhibit,
distribute, transmit, alter, and exploit, at any time
and from time to time and as Bird may decide in its
sole discretion, such photographs, videos, and other
recordings, or any component thereof, and all related
merchandising, promotions, advertising, and publicity;
and (3) waive, release, and discharge all Released
Persons from all Claims (defined below in Section 15)
that You have or may have for any libel, defamation,
invasion of privacy, right of publicity, infringement
of copyright, or violation of any right granted by You
in this paragraph.
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There's no possible excuse for having to give them this release
just to rent a vehicle. If this company fails, maybe a less
sleazy company will eventually fill the gap.
Ron at August 15, 2018 9:46 AM
If Bird fails, there will be no gap to fill.
Companies enter markets where money can be made. If Bird proves that the shared transportation model is untenable, no one will jump in, seeing such an effort as a money loser.
Bird's success, despite its sleaze, will entice other companies to enter the field, perhaps with better business models.
I highly doubt the condition you cited is driving away customers as I highly doubt many subscribers have actually read the licensing agreement.
Conan the Grammarian at August 15, 2018 2:24 PM
"a postal carrier in Venice, pushed his mail cart down Innes Place recently and recounted several occasions in which he nearly hit scooters head-on"
literal clash between innovation and stagnation.
smurfy at August 16, 2018 10:35 AM
"And because some people "drive" Birds badly doesn't mean all do."
No, it indicates a correlation with a likely causality basis that indicates most do.
It's built into the business model, which depends on a lack of barriers to entry. I ride a motorcycle, and because small, lightweight motor vehicles amplify human mobility without amplifying human durability, the state required me to take specialized training and a test in order to be licensed to do so. It also requires me to display a conspicuous identifier, tied to my identity, on my vehicle to help enforce accountability for bad driving. Bird's business depends upon one's ability to, on a moments' notice, become a customer, with no planning, training, or other considerations that tend to motivate people to take operating them seriously. This encourages people to treat them like toys requiring neither responsibility, accountability, nor any particular level of competence or skill, and pretty much guarantees that they will be operated badly. They fall into a category someone once labeled slob enabled technology variants. The concept is very familiar to someone who, because they invested the price of a house in their boat, actually learned how to safely operate it, who then finds the waterways choked with recklessly operated jetskis.
These things are motor vehicles, and require a level of skill, knowledge, and situational awareness to operate safely in a crowded urban environment. Nothing in Bird's business model conveys, let alone controls for this. If I go to Hertz or Avis, they're going to require a license, and if I can't prove I'm insured, a hefty upcharge for insurance. With Bird, any clown with a smartphone is instantly qualified to go tearing up the sidewalks at speeds incompatible with other users. If I park a rental car someplace other than the designated spaces, often with a fee involved, it will be towed and I will be fined, but people are encouraged to just abandon Birds wherever they cease to need them. Sharing creates distributed responsibility, but Bird has not given this any consideration.
"It is the implementation of mixing incompatible vehicle types, be that Birds vs cars, or pedestrians vs Birds that draws my ire."
Darth is triangulating in on the problem here.
"Just like other vehicles, electric scooter should not be used on sidewalks."
But why not? It's no harder to obtain than a toy, so why shouldn't I treat it like one?
"Seems like if it's OK for an entrepreneur to park a row of scooters or bicycles on a sidewalk and collect fees from customers who use them, it should also be OK for a different entrepreneur to set up a small folding table or display rack on a sidewalk and peddle watches or flowers or cookies."
Bingo. Every other business has to pay for space it occupies. Bird turns normal costs of doing business into externalities with which everybody else (i.e. taxpayers) have to deal with. Hey Amy, I thought you were against government subsidies and bailouts for businesses.
bw1 at August 16, 2018 10:15 PM
This would be an example of the "tragedy of the commons" - but in this case the commons are phony. It's the same "feel good and forget we're making money" nonsense that had Google branding itself with "don't be evil."
We have these scooters all over Tel Aviv. They fold up. And the owners (hint hint) schlep them on and off the train or bus, unfold them, and set off.
The problem here - as always - is the "social justice" business model (I know that's an oxymoron...). If scooters work for someone's needs and lifestyle, the cost of entry is not very high and no additional infrastructure is required. Why is the government getting involved - and picking winners in an emerging technology?
Tel Aviv also has a "borrow a bike" system that works because there is electronic tracking of the bikes and when you deposit them back in a rack, and users get charged if they just leave them for people to trip over.
Ben David at August 17, 2018 3:46 AM
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