The Downtown LA Cutedoggle -- A Pointless, Expensive Trolley -- Remains On Track
A politician, LA City Councilturd Jose Huizar, is clinging for dear life to the plans to have a ridiculous trolley for downtown Los Angeles -- running on a loop around downtown.
A twain! In a loopiepoo awound downtown LA!
The LA Times Editorial Board, most reasonably, is against it, headlining their piece, most soberly, "A downtown streetcar is not desired":
Last week the Los Angeles City Council approved a nearly $600-million financial plan to build and operate a streetcar on a nearly four-mile loop in downtown. Yet despite the cascade of public dollars being pledged to the project, there's still considerable skepticism over whether the streetcar will -- or even should -- be built.The streetcar was first pitched more than a decade ago by the Community Redevelopment Agency and business leaders as a way to entice more investors downtown, but there's little need to woo them now. Downtown is teeming with construction crews as developers refurbish historic buildings and erect new ones.
The "twain" was also supposed to cost $125 million. Today's price: $296 million. "And the city has voted to spend an additional $295 million in county sales tax revenue for operations and maintenance for the next 30 years."
In short, city leaders have committed nearly half a billion dollars to build what amounts to a glorified bus. Is this really the best use of precious, limited transportation funding?The streetcar would cover a 3.8-mile loop between Staples Center and the Civic Center. It wouldn't connect to the booming Arts District or to Disney Hall unless the city comes up with the money for an extension. It wouldn't have a dedicated lane, meaning the trolley could get bogged down in the same traffic as other vehicles. It would travel routes already covered by the city's DASH buses.
Genius!
The fixation on the streetcar crowds out other options to help people move around downtown, such as, say, more buses. Real estate blog CurbedLA outlined several streetcar alternatives, such as a trolley bus or an electric train that rides virtual rails, that could hit the road in a matter of months, rather than years or even decades.
Oh, and as for why Huizar might be clinging so firmly to the streetcar -- entirely in the face of common fucking sense -- might these be the sort of people who fund political campaigns?
Real estate investors also want the streetcar because, unlike a bus, its route wouldn't change; it would be etched in the asphalt. They know their property will always be streetcar-adjacent.
I know many of you don't live in LA, but this is just an example of the behavior of so many pols, elected and re-elected and re-elected again to city councils, state governments, and national government.
They want to build a twain! On a loop around downtown LA! In an age of Ubers, motorized scooters, and buses that ALREADY GO THAT ROUTE.
Here's how a train works (in San Francisco) and doesn't work elsewhere (in San Jose) -- from a comment at the LA Times:
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San Franicsco's [train] works because it is under-ground and goes to every corner of the city. The single above ground line, the F, is historic. Terminates in the Castro, the LGBT community, that has very high public transit ridership which spikes the F's numbers.Running the trolley through downtown San Jose, pushed by politicians who owned large property holdings there, has hobbled the county's trolley system for years. A trip that should take 10 minutes, has to take a 25-30 minute slow ride through downtown, severely impacting ridership. There has been talk for over a decade of bypassing downtown.
Rule I actually learned at 15 or 16, while planning a big conclave for my temple: When somebody insists it's about the principle, it's almost always about the money.








While this project surely offers many opportunities for graft, it remains that trains are cheaper than buses, long-term. A combination of political forces put buses in Eastern cities decades ago via the same mechanism pushing this trolley line.
Radwaste at August 19, 2018 3:11 AM
The big defect of trains is that you can't change the route without major spending and a long wait for construction. Buses can change routes immediately for little or no cost.
iowaan at August 19, 2018 6:44 AM
True, but busses and streetcars are, in fact, subject to traffic, whereas trains are usually not. So, if the streets at rush hour are crowded that 10-minute bus ride or streetcar ride is going to be a lot longer.
I used to take the F-Line street car in San Francisco to run errands after work. The cars were nice - SF street cars are a rolling museum of restored cars - but traffic on Market Street made the ride a crawl.
Conan the Grammarian at August 19, 2018 8:10 AM
Buses, damn it.
Conan the Grammarian at August 19, 2018 8:20 AM
Birds
Crid at August 19, 2018 9:05 AM
Birds
Crid at August 19, 2018 9:07 AM
Airport buffering
Crid at August 19, 2018 9:09 AM
Perhaps Detroit could sell them the People Mover? It's not just a train that covers about a square mile - it's a monorail!
El Verde Loco at August 19, 2018 11:54 AM
Um, San Francisco's train does NOT go to every corner of the city, PAcific Heights, Marina, Richmond and Sunset are served by buses, not subway. I barely used it when I lived in SF because of the neighborhood I lived in. And buses were slow so more often than not, I walked.
NicoleK at August 19, 2018 12:08 PM
Mel Brooks' Thousand Year Old Man advised, "Never run for a bus. There will always be another." We who have lived and worked in San Francisco know this is not true. Run. That one may be the last one for days.
Conan the Grammarian at August 19, 2018 1:27 PM
If this loop train is actually a good, viable idea, let investors fund it with their own money instead of funding it with stolen ("public"/"tax") money.
This is how you can find out really quick how good any idea actually is, or find out if it is just a political thing.
Kent McManigal at August 19, 2018 3:19 PM
There are examples one could compare to. For example, there is a streetcar in Portland that goes from the hotel district to downtown. Dandy for a few tourists, useless for most people to commute. The fixed costs for trains in an already developed city are astronomical since you have to pay for destruction of so much real estate. If you go underground to avoid that (a subway, not a trolly) the construction costs are exhorbitant. NYC just opened its most recent subway line that was started something like 30 yrs ago (IIRC). LA is so spread out this makes no sense. Typically, in contrast to Radwaste's opinion, trains across the country continue to lose money and steal funds away from buses. Rich people don't like buses.
cc at August 20, 2018 10:56 AM
"I barely used it when I lived in SF because of the neighborhood I lived in. And buses were slow so more often than not, I walked."
But nobody walks in L.A.!
Cousin Dave at August 20, 2018 11:25 AM
Where in LA are there locations that a large number of people want to go from one to the other every day? That's what a train is for. And on one end or the other, you walk. I thought nobody walked in LA.
It could be worse. Here in the NC Triangle the forces of contractor bribery are pushing through a "Light Rail". The homosexuals love it, they think it'll make Raleigh just like San Francisco.
If they want Raleigh to be like San Francisco, all they need to do is poo on the sidewalks. And that would be way cheaper.
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Alan at August 23, 2018 8:11 PM
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