I'm glad you shared this. I put it in your links section yesterday and I'm glad you decided it deserved a more prominent place.

There's considerable naivete surrounding the number of false allegations. The 2% number is often quoted, but has never been proven. It was merely speculation from a judge who assumed that false reports for rape were 2%, the same as other crimes.

The FBI reports 8%. Which feminists have attempted to combine with the 2% false statistic and claim that between 2-8% of rape claims are false.

The 8% number is also inaccurate. The 8% refers to those cases that are so obviously false, even the cursory investigation performed by the police determined the claims were bullshit, and were never referred to prosecution. It doesn't include those instances that have been shown to be false by the prosecutions own investigative work before the trial or exposed as false during the actual trial.

Yet, we're still insisting that women must always be believed, usually by Bambi-eyed morons with this naive idea that rape is somehow a magical crime; it's so horrible and so traumatic that it becomes impossible to lie about.

Related: California appeals court severely criticizes UCSB for depriving a student of his due process rights when accused of sexual assault -

http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/documents/B283229.PDF

‘Make them scared’ website posts uncorroborated sexual assault claims against male students

https://www.thecollegefix.com/make-them-scared-website-associated-with-university-allows-for-anonymous-sex-assault-accusations/

Heartbroken mum of teen who killed himself after withdrawn rape allegation found hanged at family home

The family of grief-stricken Karin Cheshire, 55, said she 'could not see a future' without son Jay Cheshire, 17, who took his own life after being falsely accused of rape

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/heartbroken-mum-teen-who-killed-8518826

We had the discussion earlier about how there should be harsher punishment for false accusers. But if you aren't going to prosecute them in the first place what does it matter what the punishment is?

Why am I feeling more and more like Professor Farnsworth in Futurama when he said "I don't want to live on this planet anymore"-- at least not around my fellow apes.

Should women be believed?

Hello, person I've never met. You should totally take this knife and stab your friend.

Capital idea, old sport.

Stab.

Somebody said/wrote just before the Kavanaugh vote when a woman reports she's been sexually assaulted, we owe her belief, empathy, care, and protection. However, when she accuses someone of sexual assault, our obligation shifts. We then owe the accused a chance to defend himself, presentation of evidence, and the benefit of the doubt.

Snoopy, thanks for the link to the appellate decision re: Doe v. UC Regents!

Finally, one court got it right.

Ya know, one of these boys (or his parents) are going to make a list, and some day hunt them down and kill them all.

Oh, right, toxic masculinity.

Movie released about Brian Banks -

[quote]Brian Banks was a young man with a bright future. A skilled football player, he was in great demand by pro teams…until a high school classmate accused him of rape....

After serving his time, Banks was contacted by his accuser, who wanted to resume their friendship (the friendship that was interrupted by her rape accusation). He, and his legal team, recorded her admitting that she’d made up the entire rape story. Banks was fully exonerated.[/quote]

http://takimag.com/article/yes-women-can-lie/#axzz5TSR1O48X

1. Who and how did they get the girls to recant?

2. Little shits kinda sort feel bad so they make a meaningless gesture of support for the person they tormented who isnt even a student at their school any more

https://triblive.com/local/regional/14149966-74/seneca-valley-students-show-support-for-former-student-accused-of-assault-in

Kent McManigal: Should women be believed?

Should men be believed? Why are we even considering special privileges for people based on gender?

No one has the right to be assumed credible. The burden of proof is always, always, always on the accuser. Without evidence, the accusations should not even be considered. Rape and sexual assault are not the exceptions to the rule. Having a vagina does not render you incapable of lying or misremembering.

Having a vagina does not render you incapable of lying or misremembering.

According to this guy having a vag means you can withdraw consent after the fact, Im trying to get him to commit to a time frame as how long after the fact it is before your consent is no longer retroactively invalid

https://twitter.com/kylepkuo/status/1050136067121139712

If they withdraw consent can you also retroactively withdraw the action? Since were all time travelers apparently.

It's pretty fucked up that the school didn't even suspend them or anything.

This is one of those times when prosecutors need to be reminded that the social contract goes both ways. If they continue to refuse to do their jobs by punishing this type of bad actors, victims will find ways to do it themselves. And we will have lynch law ... which is worse than anything except having no law at all. Which is where we are now.

"But if you aren't going to prosecute them in the first place what does it matter what the punishment is?"

The other fun thing is: You'll notice that in most news reports about false accusations, the media will still protect the identity of the accuser, while continuing to publish the identity of the person falsely accused.

Yep Cousin Dave. As I posted elsewhere, the problem with America today isn't that we have too many laws (although we do). The problem is we don't enforce our laws fully and equally. We pass all kinds of crazy laws and then typically don't enforce them because that would be stupid. But then there is someone people in power want to get and they have plenty of crazy laws to use against them.

To tell some stories, my mother lived next to a crazy person once. Obviously didn't know it when she bought the house and didn't have problems for years. Then this middle aged lady got fixated on my mother for some reason. She smashed jars of 'potions' on her drive way. She sent them pizzas. Called under all kinds of phony numbers at random hours. Wrote online a rather creative piece about my father taking on a hells angels biker gang and winning. We had phone records, video tape, and plenty of other evidence. There was no question she was doing all of this. DA said she wouldn't prosecute. Just wasn't the type of crime she was interested in.

I also had an uncle who had a crazy person as an ex-wife. (And yes I'm using crazy in the clinical sense for both of these stories. Both women had a medical diagnosis to that effect.) Anyway, this ex would break into his house in the middle of the night an attack him in his sleep. When the cops show up they arrest my uncle. After all it's just procedure to always arrest the guy. I think it was after the third time the cops arrested him and left an intruder to burgle his house he sued the police department. That finally woke them up enough to do their jobs right.

Discretion sounds great in theory. But in practice I've found it isn't that great of an idea.

Um, Luj, you need to read the whole thread (if you didn't). He wasn't talking about withdrawing consent after they'd separated.

But even his clarification IS a bit too vague, I admit. Even a lefty like Katha Pollitt flatly said that "a man’s insincere promise to 'put it in for just a minute'" shouldn't count as assault - even after he breaks that promise. (That was in 1998, but I very much doubt she's changed her mind.)

And I'd love to know the names of any famous academic self-described LIVING feminists who actually argue that regret counts as rape. (No, entertainment celebrities with honorary degrees don't count.)

And yes, at the very least, the man's identity needs to be kept private if the accuser's name is never going to be revealed.

And I'd love to know the names of any famous academic self-described LIVING feminists who actually argue that regret counts as rape. (No, entertainment celebrities with honorary degrees don't count.)

Look at any campus tribunal that has self described feminists attached to it

Recall the Amherst story of the man who was expelled for sexually assaulting his girlfriends room mate.

He was passed out drunk when she decided to blow his unconscious body.

As he failed to get consent for her to blow him and she felt "compelled" to keep sucking him off even though she 'didnt want to' while he was passed out he was expelled for assaulting her

I said "famous." Being a professor or administrator doesn't automatically count.

But you don't have to be at a college either. Having a lot of degrees usually makes one an academic, in the eyes of many. (But that still doesn't always make you famous.)

And I'll be somewhat surprised if Amherst REPEATS that mistake. (Assuming something significant isn't being left out with the above particular story - which, of course, I've read here before.)

You did make your request rather specific Lenona. Honestly I can't think of a single famous academic living feminist. So finding one with that viewpoint is quite beyond me.

Katha Pollitt is one, though I don't know if she's still teaching. (She's almost 70.)

Catherine MacKinnon (aged 72) is a professor and legal scholar, so she counts too. (I admit I know little about her views, but she's always struck me as someone who goes too far. Almost certainly, Pollitt doesn't agree with her when it comes to censoring pornography.)

I think I should add Judith Martin (Miss Manners), since she USED to teach English. At any rate, she was also a journalist before she began writing her etiquette column. And yes, she calls herself a feminist and has said "I am not going to let that term be co-opted."

I may be able to find more later. (Right now I don't have my books with me.)

And for good measure, how about Wendy Kaminer, who is a former Guggenheim Fellow and former(?) public policy fellow at Radcliffe College. (Of course, in 1999, Radcliffe merged with Harvard.)

Quote of hers:

"When a Harvard student claims she's oppressed because she's a woman, you know you've just stepped through the looking glass."

Just to clarify: Even MacKinnon, to my knowledge, does not say that regret equals rape. The other three DEFINITELY do not.

One more: Author/activist Barbara Ehrenreich, who's also been a professor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Ehrenreich

(Her father was a Montana coal miner, as it happened.)