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Yes, I know I need to figure out how to do the paywall right.
"Meet the 9-Year-Old Telling You What to Wear"
1. No.
2. This explains far more than I want to admit.
Ben
at October 6, 2018 6:12 AM
> All left-wing....
It's not even that you're wrong, though "bloodshed" is one word. It's your fear of offering more than ten words in your own voice, as if you know you'll be rightly savaged for errors if you risk an articulated thought... So best to keep things defensively fragmentary, feigning cryptic stoicism.
GED?
Crid
at October 6, 2018 6:29 AM
"Meet the 9-Year-Old Telling You What to Wear"
I used to work in fashion and it's worse than that. The entire industry, like the entertainment industry, has re-geared itself to focus entirely on younger consumers of their product, ones who buy more and have not yet decided on their brand loyalty.
If you're over 30 and thinking designers don't design clothes for you, you're right. Once the average consumer age of a product line reaches 30+, it's no longer considered a prestige product line; employees flee from it in terror of having their career derailed by working on stuff for "old people."
Products for older consumers are relegated to MFO (Made for Outlet) and sold at the outlet stores. So, if those jeans you used to wear have been redesigned and now seem slimmer, tighter, and less comfortable, they probably are. Head for the outlets, the old fit just might be there.
It's worse for women than for men. No one wants to make "Mom jeans." Even Not Your Daughter's Jeans, a brand founded specifically to focus on 40+ year-old women changed its name to NYDJ to seem more hip and changed its jeans focus to younger consumers.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 6, 2018 6:30 AM
Yes, I know I need to figure out how to do the paywall right. ~ Ben at October 6, 2018 6:12 AM
You used to able to use the archive.is site to get around the paywall, but The Washington Post caught onto that trick and now quickly converts the article URL to the main page URL - likely other legacy media will start doing that before long.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 6, 2018 6:35 AM
That sounds like a business opportunity. But as you point out others have tried to fill that hole and then fled back to the kids. It isn't my industry so I can't offer much wisdom.
This debate is complicated further by the fact that the Senate confirmation process is not a trial. But certain fundamental legal principles—about due process, the presumption of innocence, and fairness—do bear on my thinking, and I cannot abandon them.
Gee, where was her concern for fairness, presumption of innocence and due process when she called for the resignation of Al Franken?
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at October 6, 2018 8:00 AM
Hah -- just saw that.
I saw a Michael Cohen reply to that tweet. Suggested that they start a club.
I R A Darth Aggie
at October 6, 2018 8:02 AM
Gee, where was her concern for fairness, presumption of innocence and due process when she called for the resignation of Al Franken?~ Patrick at October 6, 2018 7:40 AM
While the cases are not apples-to-apples. The Franken charges were recent while the accusations against Kavanaugh are 36 years old. Not to mention that span of 12 years in which he was a federal judge and no accusations were leveled at Kavanaugh, his conduct seemingly exemplary.
However, I'd agree that it was really up to the voters of Minnesota to decide Franken's fate and not skittish fellow Democratic senators afraid his presence and their lack of action against him would tarnish their own reelection efforts.
I don't weep for his departure, though, I've always found him to be a smug and sanctimonious jackass (a Harvard-educated jackass, the Cadillac of jackasses). He chose to resign, I think prematurely, without even awaiting the Ethics Committee investigation.
Franken was caught in a trap partly of his own making - that of the absolutist "Believe the Women!" mantra. Franken's statements in the Weinstein accusation and #MeToo saga left him little room to maneuver in his own defense. Hoist with his own petard?
"I gave 'em a sword. And they stuck it in, and they twisted it with relish. And I guess if I had been in their position, I'd have done the same thing." ~ Richard M. Nixon
But Collins as "hypocritical, amoral filth?" Bit hyperbolic there, no?
Conan the Grammarian
at October 6, 2018 8:52 AM
Re fashion: Thanks for that, Conan.
What I said in 2017:
As far as I'm concerned, the fashion industry is mostly a rip-off, no matter who you are as a customer. Lately, I've been looking at people on the street, constantly, for decorative clothes I'd actually be WILLING to pay $10 for - and not seeing any. (Never mind the actual prices!)
From a discussion I had elsewhere in 2013:
One thing I loved about being in Italy for a couple of weeks (near Pisa) was that the adults - AND the teens, mostly - dressed with style, elegance, and maturity. No visible commercial logos, no cartoon characters, no writing, no sports symbols. Even the American tourists exercised a certain restraint.
...Yes, Italy is known for expensive clothes, but doesn't mean that anyone was paying retail prices - and besides, just because I said the clothes were nice doesn't mean they were clearly expensive. They may or may not have been. I went to Neiman Marcus recently for the first time in years to see if they still had truly attractive clothes. They didn't. Everything looked pretty boring from a distance, aside from the expensive MATERIALS used. I'd probably have had better luck finding stylish, elegant clothes at my local vintage store. Even Goodwill can bring great rewards if you're just patient and search long enough.
To clarify: It was easy to get the impression, at least, that even poor people in Italy care about looking dignified, attractive and mature - and with a little resourcefulness, one doesn't have to pay retail prices in order to do so.
Terry del Fuego: Just a *different* passionate conformity.
Me: Not sure what you mean. I saw plenty of African peddlars on the Tuscan beach and near it, and their clothes didn't have cartoons or logos either, but even so, they certainly didn't "conform." That is, for all their attractiveness and elegance, no one would have mistaken THEIR clothes for European clothes.
Oh, and another thing I didn't see in Tuscany - clothes that are deliberately ripped or dirty.
I.e., some types of conformity are bad for society and one's mental health, but others are just plain reasonable and mature. The Golden Rule, for one.
lenona
at October 6, 2018 8:59 AM
...that even poor people in Italy care about looking dignified, attractive and mature.... ~ lenona at October 6, 2018 8:59 AM
We, in the US, no longer want to look mature. We call that looking old. Moms want to wear their daughters' styles, and not vice-versa. Fathers want to look "cool" and wear shorts and flip-flops, even to the office. The polo shirt (style not brand), once essentially a t-shirt for the upper-middle-class, is dead.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 6, 2018 9:27 AM
Yes, I know I need to figure out how to do the paywall right.
Archiving it works again.
Hmm.. Her clothing style looks like something right out of the Codename: Kids Next Door cartoon.
Giana is among the stylish pre-teens made famous by social media and anointed mini-influencers or mini-creatives. Their ascent comes as marketers are striving to reach Generation Z, the roughly 67 million individuals born roughly between 1997 and a few years ago. They have about $44 billion in purchasing power, according to Mintel. Thanks to social media, members of Gen Z can see a staggering array of merchandise, and pinpoint precisely the clothes and shoes they want to wear, even if their parents are still paying for them. Gen Z also is the most racially diverse generation in American history: Almost half are a race other than non-Hispanic white.
That was different becuase.... ~ lujlp at October 6, 2018 10:34 AM
I'm gonna say that your a) shouldn't matter. The presumption of innocence should be universal.
Now, if you want to argue that the Franken issue was in consideration of then-recent accusations of misbehavior against a sitting Senator and the reflection that said misbehavior cast onto the Senate as a whole while the Kavanaugh issue was consideration of 36-years-stale witness-refuted accusations against a nominee with 12 unblemished years of federal service, you'd be on a better tack.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at October 6, 2018 10:47 AM
Blame Porn Lawyer if Kavanaugh is confirmed. After all, Reason does:
"Sen. John Kennedy (R–La.) echoed Collins, telling MSNBC's Chuck Todd, "I think this process changed dramatically when Mr. Avenatti entered the picture." ... Avenatti—and to a lesser extent, Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow, who ran with a story so thin The New York Times wouldn't print it—took the narrow question of whether Kavanaugh or Ford were more believable, and raised the stakes by asserting he was a serial sexual abuser, rather than an inconsiderate, sexually aggressive teenage drunk. It was always going to be easier to poke holes in the grander narrative."
Much like Montgomery in Market-Garden, Avenatti went a bridge too far; and for the same reason, his own ego.
He's a dim & mendacious shitweasel, but he well understands one important thing: The people who support him aren't smart enough to think about more than one thing at a time.
Crid
at October 6, 2018 3:02 PM
> he well understands one important thing
What do you expect him to do? We're not global police, nor do his supporters want him to be.
First of all, not let his idiot son-in-law form compromising business relationships with murderous, terrorist-nourishing regimes who've generated the gravest atrocities our nation has ever faced; ties which constrain deft and decisive response to the killings of WaPo reporters IN GODDAM MOTHERFUCKING CONSULATES.
Conan: I've always found him to be a smug and sanctimonious jackass...
I guess it really does take one to know one.
Patrick
at October 7, 2018 1:45 AM
> take one to...
No. Conan's judgement is affirmed.
Furthermore, the guy was never even funny on SNL. He did skits there years ago... But NONE of them were funny. NONE. Y'know, Ackroyd and Belushi perhaps had fairly poor percentages on there as well, when viewed with the fullness of time. But those who remember the show can recall at least a couple of moments of genuine mirth from each of them.
But nobody remembers laughing, as an emotional and spasmodic thoracic exhalation, from anything Franken ever said. Or wrote.
Same with Trump. He did a lot of show business bullshit, but none of it was any good. Idiots nonetheless came to regard him as a figure of presence in their lives, one perhaps applicable to other contexts besides low-budget television. The American eagerness to assuage loneliness through exaggerated attention to mundane entertainment is that profound. 'Ugg! I *know* that guy!'
In both cases, this was a mistake.
Crid
at October 7, 2018 5:43 AM
> Bit hyperbolic there, no?
Little Patty has always mistaken harsh rhetoric for substantiated belief.
Crid
at October 7, 2018 5:45 AM
Little Patty has always mistaken harsh rhetoric for substantiated belief. ~ Crid at October 7, 2018 5:45 AM
And bravado for bravery, re: "If I ever run into this dumb son-of-a-bitch, I will kick him right in the phone!" (Patrick at October 6, 2018 7:17 AM).
Not, "I'd like to kick him...," but "I will kick him...."
Yet, when asked, he can never tell of a time when he did kick a "dumb son-of-a-bitch" in the phone or stand up to a racist (his previous grand claim of promised bravery).
I was going to correct you on the masculine "Paddy" vs. the feminine "Patty," but I get the feeling you already knew that.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 7, 2018 6:55 AM
"The polo shirt (style not brand), once essentially a t-shirt for the upper-middle-class, is dead."
And good riddance. They were uncomfortable and looked bad too. I'm fine with short sleeve dress shirts. It's friken 98F and 98% humidity out there today! I can compromise a bit for survival. But button up dress shirt or T-shirt, going half and half is just plain stupid.
I don't think porn lawyer got K confirmed. But he certainly did highlight just how ridiculous the complaints were. It was one of those jump the shark moments where the ability to suspend disbelief hit it's limit and reality could no longer be denied. I think he would have been confirmed even without it. But yes it did help.
Ben
at October 7, 2018 7:00 AM
And good riddance. They were uncomfortable and looked bad too. ~ Ben at October 7, 2018 7:00 AM
I happen to be a fan of polo shirts. I like collars and I like being able to unbutton the placket. I'm not a fan of t-shirts as everyday wear.
I'm fine with short sleeve dress shirts. ~ Ben at October 7, 2018 7:00 AM
There's no such thing as a short-sleeved dress shirt. Like white socks with a suit or clip-on ties, it signals that the wearer is unfamiliar with the rules of dressing up.
My dad wore short-sleeved dress shirts in the summer. He was an engineer for the state and spent half his work time crawling around ducts and piping - when he wasn't in the office reviewing plans for the same. The state made him wear a tie, even when doing inspections. Long sleeves got in the way when doing inspections in tight spaces so, short sleeves. Of course, he also wore a pocket protector and polyester pants, so I learned not to look to him for fashion clues.
My sister, also an engineer, has run into the same issue - dress for the job and you look blue collar, but dress for the office and you'll ruin your outfit in the field. She wears pants and boots to work since dresses are not conducive to walking around fields and construction sites, which she could be called to do on any given day.
I think he would have been confirmed even without it. But yes it did help. ~ Ben at October 7, 2018 7:00 AM
If nothing else, the charges his client, Swetnick, brought against Kavanaugh helped to highlight the circus atmosphere being created. Not only did the witnesses named by his client not verify her statements, one was dead and another claimed to not even know her.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 7, 2018 7:33 AM
As I said Conan, I'm being flexible in exchange for survival. The only people who wear long sleeve dress shirts down here are salesmen. And they have these pads you can put in them for extra absorption. Otherwise you end up on a sales call looking like you need a bath. Even the executive level wear short sleeves. And anyone in a suit is going to some sort of interview. A bit further north and a lot drier and I would agree with you 100%.
On the Mr. K thing (his name is too messy) I doubt Swetnick made a difference for him. But I am suspicious he cost a few Democrats their seat in the house. It became that big of a circus and they jumped into the clown car with him? They ticked off a lot of people with how they handled things.
Ben
at October 7, 2018 9:17 AM
As I said Conan, I'm being flexible in exchange for survival. The only people who wear long sleeve dress shirts down here are salesmen. And they have these pads you can put in them for extra absorption. ~ Ben at October 7, 2018 9:17 AM
I grew up in the South, Ben - North Carolina and Florida. I live in North Carolina now, so I get the appeal of short sleeves, especially in summer weather.
I won't call them "dress shirts," but I get it. That's why I included the anecdote about my dad and his short-sleeved shirts. Like machinists not wearing wedding rings, some things are necessary for comfort and survival.
Just know when you're breaking the unwritten rules so that when survival is not at stake, you won't look like a rube.
I wore a watch with my formal wear at my wedding. I needed the watch to herd the guests into place and get them to the dock on time. I forgot to take it off before the ceremony. So, now I'm immortalized in my wedding photos sporting a major fashion faux pas. La vie continue.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 7, 2018 9:44 AM
Goodness. To think I almost missed this.
Cridsypoo, I dominate your thoughts. Two probably excessively wordy and flowery posts in response to an admittedly juvenile taunt directed to Conan.
It's no fun pushing you off the deep end. It's too easily done. Perhaps you off the deep end long before I'd ever even heard of you.
I'll bet you have homoerotic dreams about me, too, don't you? But save it for your shrink; I don't want to know. I wouldn't touch you with a dead man's dick.
Patrick
at October 8, 2018 7:50 AM
When I think "short-sleeved dress shirt", I think "pocket protector with matching necktie".
It's a good look for a NASA number cruncher in Houston circa 1963. Otherwise, no.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at October 8, 2018 9:46 AM
It's a good look for a NASA number cruncher in Houston circa 1963. Otherwise, no. ~ Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 8, 2018 9:46 AM
Change NASA to Douglas Aircraft and Houston to Southern California and you've got my dad.
Conan the Grammarian
at October 8, 2018 11:17 AM
I don't know where you live Gog. As I said it is a function of the local environment. Even CEOs wear them around here. Quite frankly I'm a little surprised we don't have casual and formal loin cloths.
As for engineers, the standard in this town is dark blue jeans and a polo t-shirt (usually company issue). I've always dressed a little nicer than my coworkers. I had dockers and a short sleeve button shirt. For factory workers it is t-shirt and jeans. Shorts are still only worn due to special dispensation. I.e. no AC. And they kinda have to give it when AC isn't available. Otherwise you have people keeling over and then the ambulance, all paid by the company. And the paperwork is a pain in the butt.
Oh and shoes are a big deal in my industry. Anyone who might be on a work site or factory floor has to be in steel toes. No exceptions. Which is kinda funny given the stuff we work on. Either it wouldn't make difference because the stuff is so light even sandals are safe or it's so heavy it pinches the steel toe shut and neatly cuts all your toes off at the same time. Not a lot of middle ground in this field.
Ben
at October 8, 2018 1:27 PM
"I don't know where you live Gog."
Okay.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at October 8, 2018 3:06 PM
"I wouldn't touch you with a dead man's dick."
Aw, damn, skippy. Use an insult that works. Crid's not gonna care that you said that.
How was your week?
https://mobile.twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1048427582591459328
Crid at October 5, 2018 11:07 PM
Hah -- just saw that.
Amy Alkon at October 5, 2018 11:15 PM
Look, thing is, I like the big un's. They're more attractive.
Next, tell us about the people in your life.*
Crid at October 6, 2018 12:41 AM
I bet it leaks someday.
Another mystery for which we'll one day have an explanation.
Crid at October 6, 2018 12:45 AM
Why, that's just what I was going to say!...
With a typewriter!...
And a smoke!
Crid at October 6, 2018 5:12 AM
All left-wing utopias end in blood shed.
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 5:53 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/meet-the-9-year-old-telling-you-what-to-wear-1538823660?mod=hp_lista_pos1
Yes, I know I need to figure out how to do the paywall right.
"Meet the 9-Year-Old Telling You What to Wear"
1. No.
2. This explains far more than I want to admit.
Ben at October 6, 2018 6:12 AM
> All left-wing....
It's not even that you're wrong, though "bloodshed" is one word. It's your fear of offering more than ten words in your own voice, as if you know you'll be rightly savaged for errors if you risk an articulated thought... So best to keep things defensively fragmentary, feigning cryptic stoicism.
GED?
Crid at October 6, 2018 6:29 AM
I used to work in fashion and it's worse than that. The entire industry, like the entertainment industry, has re-geared itself to focus entirely on younger consumers of their product, ones who buy more and have not yet decided on their brand loyalty.
If you're over 30 and thinking designers don't design clothes for you, you're right. Once the average consumer age of a product line reaches 30+, it's no longer considered a prestige product line; employees flee from it in terror of having their career derailed by working on stuff for "old people."
Products for older consumers are relegated to MFO (Made for Outlet) and sold at the outlet stores. So, if those jeans you used to wear have been redesigned and now seem slimmer, tighter, and less comfortable, they probably are. Head for the outlets, the old fit just might be there.
It's worse for women than for men. No one wants to make "Mom jeans." Even Not Your Daughter's Jeans, a brand founded specifically to focus on 40+ year-old women changed its name to NYDJ to seem more hip and changed its jeans focus to younger consumers.
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 6:30 AM
You used to able to use the archive.is site to get around the paywall, but The Washington Post caught onto that trick and now quickly converts the article URL to the main page URL - likely other legacy media will start doing that before long.
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 6:35 AM
That sounds like a business opportunity. But as you point out others have tried to fill that hole and then fled back to the kids. It isn't my industry so I can't offer much wisdom.
Ben at October 6, 2018 7:11 AM
If I ever run into this dumb son-of-a-bitch, I will kick him right in the phone!
Patrick at October 6, 2018 7:17 AM
An excerpt from a statement by hypocritical, amoral filth Susan Collins, in her support of Kavanaugh's nomination:
Gee, where was her concern for fairness, presumption of innocence and due process when she called for the resignation of Al Franken?
Patrick at October 6, 2018 7:40 AM
Perverted school administrators
Little girls edition
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 6, 2018 7:56 AM
Perverted school administrators
Little boys edition
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 6, 2018 8:00 AM
Hah -- just saw that.
I saw a Michael Cohen reply to that tweet. Suggested that they start a club.
I R A Darth Aggie at October 6, 2018 8:02 AM
While the cases are not apples-to-apples. The Franken charges were recent while the accusations against Kavanaugh are 36 years old. Not to mention that span of 12 years in which he was a federal judge and no accusations were leveled at Kavanaugh, his conduct seemingly exemplary.
However, I'd agree that it was really up to the voters of Minnesota to decide Franken's fate and not skittish fellow Democratic senators afraid his presence and their lack of action against him would tarnish their own reelection efforts.
I don't weep for his departure, though, I've always found him to be a smug and sanctimonious jackass (a Harvard-educated jackass, the Cadillac of jackasses). He chose to resign, I think prematurely, without even awaiting the Ethics Committee investigation.
Franken was caught in a trap partly of his own making - that of the absolutist "Believe the Women!" mantra. Franken's statements in the Weinstein accusation and #MeToo saga left him little room to maneuver in his own defense. Hoist with his own petard?
"I gave 'em a sword. And they stuck it in, and they twisted it with relish. And I guess if I had been in their position, I'd have done the same thing." ~ Richard M. Nixon
But Collins as "hypocritical, amoral filth?" Bit hyperbolic there, no?
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 8:52 AM
Re fashion: Thanks for that, Conan.
What I said in 2017:
As far as I'm concerned, the fashion industry is mostly a rip-off, no matter who you are as a customer. Lately, I've been looking at people on the street, constantly, for decorative clothes I'd actually be WILLING to pay $10 for - and not seeing any. (Never mind the actual prices!)
From a discussion I had elsewhere in 2013:
One thing I loved about being in Italy for a couple of weeks (near Pisa) was that the adults - AND the teens, mostly - dressed with style, elegance, and maturity. No visible commercial logos, no cartoon characters, no writing, no sports symbols. Even the American tourists exercised a certain restraint.
...Yes, Italy is known for expensive clothes, but doesn't mean that anyone was paying retail prices - and besides, just because I said the clothes were nice doesn't mean they were clearly expensive. They may or may not have been. I went to Neiman Marcus recently for the first time in years to see if they still had truly attractive clothes. They didn't. Everything looked pretty boring from a distance, aside from the expensive MATERIALS used. I'd probably have had better luck finding stylish, elegant clothes at my local vintage store. Even Goodwill can bring great rewards if you're just patient and search long enough.
To clarify: It was easy to get the impression, at least, that even poor people in Italy care about looking dignified, attractive and mature - and with a little resourcefulness, one doesn't have to pay retail prices in order to do so.
Terry del Fuego: Just a *different* passionate conformity.
Me: Not sure what you mean. I saw plenty of African peddlars on the Tuscan beach and near it, and their clothes didn't have cartoons or logos either, but even so, they certainly didn't "conform." That is, for all their attractiveness and elegance, no one would have mistaken THEIR clothes for European clothes.
Oh, and another thing I didn't see in Tuscany - clothes that are deliberately ripped or dirty.
I.e., some types of conformity are bad for society and one's mental health, but others are just plain reasonable and mature. The Golden Rule, for one.
lenona at October 6, 2018 8:59 AM
We, in the US, no longer want to look mature. We call that looking old. Moms want to wear their daughters' styles, and not vice-versa. Fathers want to look "cool" and wear shorts and flip-flops, even to the office. The polo shirt (style not brand), once essentially a t-shirt for the upper-middle-class, is dead.
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 9:27 AM
Archiving it works again.
Hmm.. Her clothing style looks like something right out of the Codename: Kids Next Door cartoon.
http://archive.is/6nGey
Sixclaws at October 6, 2018 9:28 AM
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-45743376
Sixclaws at October 6, 2018 10:18 AM
Gee, where was her concern for fairness, presumption of innocence and due process when she called for the resignation of Al Franken?
That was different becuase
a) he is not of her party
b) he was being held to his own standards that HE demanded others be held to
lujlp at October 6, 2018 10:34 AM
I'm gonna say that your a) shouldn't matter. The presumption of innocence should be universal.
Now, if you want to argue that the Franken issue was in consideration of then-recent accusations of misbehavior against a sitting Senator and the reflection that said misbehavior cast onto the Senate as a whole while the Kavanaugh issue was consideration of 36-years-stale witness-refuted accusations against a nominee with 12 unblemished years of federal service, you'd be on a better tack.
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 10:47 AM
When is it time to stop breeding?
Now.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 6, 2018 10:47 AM
Blame Porn Lawyer if Kavanaugh is confirmed. After all, Reason does:
"Sen. John Kennedy (R–La.) echoed Collins, telling MSNBC's Chuck Todd, "I think this process changed dramatically when Mr. Avenatti entered the picture." ... Avenatti—and to a lesser extent, Jane Mayer and Ronan Farrow, who ran with a story so thin The New York Times wouldn't print it—took the narrow question of whether Kavanaugh or Ford were more believable, and raised the stakes by asserting he was a serial sexual abuser, rather than an inconsiderate, sexually aggressive teenage drunk. It was always going to be easier to poke holes in the grander narrative."
Much like Montgomery in Market-Garden, Avenatti went a bridge too far; and for the same reason, his own ego.
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 12:21 PM
LInk to Reason article cited in earlier post:
http://reason.com/blog/2018/10/05/brett-kavanaugh-michael-avenatti-collins
Conan the Grammarian at October 6, 2018 12:31 PM
Beat poet Keira Knightley.
Don't applaud like a square - snap your fingers to the staccato rhythm of her raw emotion.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 6, 2018 12:53 PM
50-48
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 1:10 PM
They are out to get you -
"Do some small thing to make a Trump/GOP-supporting person or institutions day/week/life a bit miserable. That's good too."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do2ovxMVsAAAZZL.jpg
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 2:11 PM
Flashback - August 2016 - Ben Shapiro
No, Trump Isn't Going to Save The Supreme Court
https://www.dailywire.com/news/8266/no-trump-isnt-going-save-supreme-court-ben-shapiro
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 2:13 PM
He's a dim & mendacious shitweasel, but he well understands one important thing: The people who support him aren't smart enough to think about more than one thing at a time.
Crid at October 6, 2018 3:02 PM
> he well understands one important thing
What do you expect him to do? We're not global police, nor do his supporters want him to be.
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:02 PM
Openly advocating for killing police -
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1048704996269809671
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:02 PM
Senator Reid: "Thanks to all of you who encouraged me to consider filibuster reform. It had to be done."
https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/403615847190921216
Thanks so much, Senator!
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:05 PM
White liberals call a black conservative a racist bigot -
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1048702417297178624
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:08 PM
They're coming for you... redux -
"Stop booing Republicans in restaurants.
Start throwing food at them."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do271mIU8AEMz9k.jpg
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:09 PM
And the continue to come for you -
"Buy a martini and throw it in their goddamn face."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do271mNV4AA1P_r.jpg
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:10 PM
"Spitting at them also has a good Southern disdain/hexing vibe I'm definitely interested in employing"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Do271nJU0AAUQf3.jpg
Snoopy at October 6, 2018 4:11 PM
> What do you expect
> him to do?
First of all, not let his idiot son-in-law form compromising business relationships with murderous, terrorist-nourishing regimes who've generated the gravest atrocities our nation has ever faced; ties which constrain deft and decisive response to the killings of WaPo reporters IN GODDAM MOTHERFUCKING CONSULATES.
Fuck BALLS, son. WAKE UP.
Have you orb-fondling wretches even heard about morality?
There have been books about it
Crid at October 6, 2018 6:42 PM
Conan: I've always found him to be a smug and sanctimonious jackass...
I guess it really does take one to know one.
Patrick at October 7, 2018 1:45 AM
> take one to...
No. Conan's judgement is affirmed.
Furthermore, the guy was never even funny on SNL. He did skits there years ago... But NONE of them were funny. NONE. Y'know, Ackroyd and Belushi perhaps had fairly poor percentages on there as well, when viewed with the fullness of time. But those who remember the show can recall at least a couple of moments of genuine mirth from each of them.
But nobody remembers laughing, as an emotional and spasmodic thoracic exhalation, from anything Franken ever said. Or wrote.
Same with Trump. He did a lot of show business bullshit, but none of it was any good. Idiots nonetheless came to regard him as a figure of presence in their lives, one perhaps applicable to other contexts besides low-budget television. The American eagerness to assuage loneliness through exaggerated attention to mundane entertainment is that profound. 'Ugg! I *know* that guy!'
In both cases, this was a mistake.
Crid at October 7, 2018 5:43 AM
> Bit hyperbolic there, no?
Little Patty has always mistaken harsh rhetoric for substantiated belief.
Crid at October 7, 2018 5:45 AM
And bravado for bravery, re: "If I ever run into this dumb son-of-a-bitch, I will kick him right in the phone!" (Patrick at October 6, 2018 7:17 AM).
Not, "I'd like to kick him...," but "I will kick him...."
Yet, when asked, he can never tell of a time when he did kick a "dumb son-of-a-bitch" in the phone or stand up to a racist (his previous grand claim of promised bravery).
I was going to correct you on the masculine "Paddy" vs. the feminine "Patty," but I get the feeling you already knew that.
Conan the Grammarian at October 7, 2018 6:55 AM
"The polo shirt (style not brand), once essentially a t-shirt for the upper-middle-class, is dead."
And good riddance. They were uncomfortable and looked bad too. I'm fine with short sleeve dress shirts. It's friken 98F and 98% humidity out there today! I can compromise a bit for survival. But button up dress shirt or T-shirt, going half and half is just plain stupid.
I don't think porn lawyer got K confirmed. But he certainly did highlight just how ridiculous the complaints were. It was one of those jump the shark moments where the ability to suspend disbelief hit it's limit and reality could no longer be denied. I think he would have been confirmed even without it. But yes it did help.
Ben at October 7, 2018 7:00 AM
I happen to be a fan of polo shirts. I like collars and I like being able to unbutton the placket. I'm not a fan of t-shirts as everyday wear.
There's no such thing as a short-sleeved dress shirt. Like white socks with a suit or clip-on ties, it signals that the wearer is unfamiliar with the rules of dressing up.
My dad wore short-sleeved dress shirts in the summer. He was an engineer for the state and spent half his work time crawling around ducts and piping - when he wasn't in the office reviewing plans for the same. The state made him wear a tie, even when doing inspections. Long sleeves got in the way when doing inspections in tight spaces so, short sleeves. Of course, he also wore a pocket protector and polyester pants, so I learned not to look to him for fashion clues.
My sister, also an engineer, has run into the same issue - dress for the job and you look blue collar, but dress for the office and you'll ruin your outfit in the field. She wears pants and boots to work since dresses are not conducive to walking around fields and construction sites, which she could be called to do on any given day.
If nothing else, the charges his client, Swetnick, brought against Kavanaugh helped to highlight the circus atmosphere being created. Not only did the witnesses named by his client not verify her statements, one was dead and another claimed to not even know her.
Conan the Grammarian at October 7, 2018 7:33 AM
As I said Conan, I'm being flexible in exchange for survival. The only people who wear long sleeve dress shirts down here are salesmen. And they have these pads you can put in them for extra absorption. Otherwise you end up on a sales call looking like you need a bath. Even the executive level wear short sleeves. And anyone in a suit is going to some sort of interview. A bit further north and a lot drier and I would agree with you 100%.
On the Mr. K thing (his name is too messy) I doubt Swetnick made a difference for him. But I am suspicious he cost a few Democrats their seat in the house. It became that big of a circus and they jumped into the clown car with him? They ticked off a lot of people with how they handled things.
Ben at October 7, 2018 9:17 AM
I grew up in the South, Ben - North Carolina and Florida. I live in North Carolina now, so I get the appeal of short sleeves, especially in summer weather.
I won't call them "dress shirts," but I get it. That's why I included the anecdote about my dad and his short-sleeved shirts. Like machinists not wearing wedding rings, some things are necessary for comfort and survival.
Just know when you're breaking the unwritten rules so that when survival is not at stake, you won't look like a rube.
I wore a watch with my formal wear at my wedding. I needed the watch to herd the guests into place and get them to the dock on time. I forgot to take it off before the ceremony. So, now I'm immortalized in my wedding photos sporting a major fashion faux pas. La vie continue.
Conan the Grammarian at October 7, 2018 9:44 AM
Goodness. To think I almost missed this.
Cridsypoo, I dominate your thoughts. Two probably excessively wordy and flowery posts in response to an admittedly juvenile taunt directed to Conan.
It's no fun pushing you off the deep end. It's too easily done. Perhaps you off the deep end long before I'd ever even heard of you.
I'll bet you have homoerotic dreams about me, too, don't you? But save it for your shrink; I don't want to know. I wouldn't touch you with a dead man's dick.
Patrick at October 8, 2018 7:50 AM
When I think "short-sleeved dress shirt", I think "pocket protector with matching necktie".
It's a good look for a NASA number cruncher in Houston circa 1963. Otherwise, no.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 8, 2018 9:46 AM
Change NASA to Douglas Aircraft and Houston to Southern California and you've got my dad.
Conan the Grammarian at October 8, 2018 11:17 AM
I don't know where you live Gog. As I said it is a function of the local environment. Even CEOs wear them around here. Quite frankly I'm a little surprised we don't have casual and formal loin cloths.
As for engineers, the standard in this town is dark blue jeans and a polo t-shirt (usually company issue). I've always dressed a little nicer than my coworkers. I had dockers and a short sleeve button shirt. For factory workers it is t-shirt and jeans. Shorts are still only worn due to special dispensation. I.e. no AC. And they kinda have to give it when AC isn't available. Otherwise you have people keeling over and then the ambulance, all paid by the company. And the paperwork is a pain in the butt.
Oh and shoes are a big deal in my industry. Anyone who might be on a work site or factory floor has to be in steel toes. No exceptions. Which is kinda funny given the stuff we work on. Either it wouldn't make difference because the stuff is so light even sandals are safe or it's so heavy it pinches the steel toe shut and neatly cuts all your toes off at the same time. Not a lot of middle ground in this field.
Ben at October 8, 2018 1:27 PM
"I don't know where you live Gog."
Okay.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 8, 2018 3:06 PM
"I wouldn't touch you with a dead man's dick."
Aw, damn, skippy. Use an insult that works. Crid's not gonna care that you said that.
Clumsy. You've know him on here for years, too.
I'm sad! Sad, I tell you!
Radwaste at October 8, 2018 3:32 PM
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