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I am the admin of the largest Facebook group for ex-vegans. Although I've never been a vegan, I've noticed a phenomenon among some vegans: a type of dysmorphia that insists that a human body is normal, even thriving and healthy, when in fact the body is starving.
I asked a psychologist who is very into diet and nutrition if there was such a term to describe this. (No, this is not anorexia nervosa. Anorexia is the belief that the body is obese, even as it is slowly being starved. This dysmorphia is the belief that the body is normal and healthy, even as it is starving.)
The psychologist informed me that no such term existed, so I suggested he could come up with one. Since I've seen so much of this, this phenomena ought to have a name.
He responded that I should coin my own term for it. So, "vegan dysmorphia" it is.
The child hadn't eaten in a week, the mother assumed it was teething. How do you have an eighteen month old who is the size of a seven-month-old and not perceive that something is wrong? How does an eighteen-month-old refuse food for an entire week and you merely assume that it's teething, and not even consider it might have something to do with the fact that the child is the size of a seven-month-old?
I conclude that there's a dysmorphia operating that causes these people to see starvation and perceive it as "normal."
Unless you perceive anorexia nervosa as "dogma," the word "dogma" doesn't begin to cover it. It's a distorted perception.
Watch the first 50 seconds of this video (the rest is just scenery). And you'll see what I mean. This vegan (who calls himself Eco Mal) is responding to those who say he looks malnourished. He insists he's normal, even flexing an extremely underdeveloped biceps and sneering at those who think he looks malnourished.
"Does this look malnourished to you?"
Yes, it does.
Patrick
at December 21, 2019 8:46 AM
Ivanka is every bit as alluring as is Chelsea, but no more so.
It's important to say so, because it would hurt both of their feelings.
Crid
at December 21, 2019 11:19 AM
Drone Video #1: Whatever. (The smirk on the girl's face is indisputably attractive.)
Um, Sixclaws, if even 1/4 of middle-class parents in China did that (in THIS century) to their 12-year-old children, don't you think we'd have heard that by now? (Obviously, working class parents, in any country, have almost every social excuse to demand ALL their kids' money, whether for food or the kids' school fees.)
Offhand, I don't even remember the Tiger Mom's doing anything quite that extreme.
But it does remind me of the 1980 MAD piece "The Mad Dictionary of Cliche Parental Terms." (I think that was the name, though there may have been more than one piece like that, over the years.)
"Atheist" meant "a son or daughter who dates someone from a different religion."
And a "bum" was "anyone over the age of 12 who isn't earning his own living."
Besides which, for thousands of years, ALL nations and cultures ignored adolescence entirely - e.g., a Jewish boy became a "man" at age 13, with practically all the rights and responsibilities. If all parents started practicing that tradition again, kids just might think twice before wasting their time and money in all sorts of ways (not to mention that waste of almost any kind is just plain bad for the environment).
"The Mad Dictionary of Cliche Parental Terms."
___________________________________________
I found an image - it looks as though there may be different editions, at least in the UK. (I saw a couple of unfamiliar drawings among the familiar ones.)
At any rate, I definitely remember the specific age as being 12.
lenona
at December 21, 2019 12:33 PM
@Patrick,
I'm talking about Veganism and their insane obsession about food purity.
But, reflecting on it, I believe the term that fits better with what you are looking for is Orthorexia.
Sixclaws
at December 21, 2019 12:34 PM
@Lenona,
The Chinese are very good at keeping things to themselves, whenever these kind of dickish behaviour surfaces, is often due to someone is a blabbermouth or because it got caught on video.
Sixclaws, there has been no shortage of Chinese immigrants in the US, for decades. What is there to stop THEM from blabbing about how children are raised in China if they want to? Presumably, they prefer living in the US, after all. (And we do know quite a bit about how, for example, calling a child or even a teenager "obedient" in China is considered, by the addressee, to be a high compliment - or it's supposed to be.)
Granted, the Chinese DID keep the secret of how to make paper for four centuries or so, but anyone knows that secrecy was a lot easier 14 centuries ago.
Not to mention that a century ago or so, it was quite common for American parents not to let kids keep their own earnings at all, according to writer Sterling North - and we're not talking about poor families, either. So the father could simply have been an old-fashioned type.
I'm betting that this dad is Chinese:
https://mobile.twitter.com/AITA_reddit/status/1208018535164702722
Sixclaws at December 21, 2019 5:50 AM
I am the admin of the largest Facebook group for ex-vegans. Although I've never been a vegan, I've noticed a phenomenon among some vegans: a type of dysmorphia that insists that a human body is normal, even thriving and healthy, when in fact the body is starving.
I asked a psychologist who is very into diet and nutrition if there was such a term to describe this. (No, this is not anorexia nervosa. Anorexia is the belief that the body is obese, even as it is slowly being starved. This dysmorphia is the belief that the body is normal and healthy, even as it is starving.)
The psychologist informed me that no such term existed, so I suggested he could come up with one. Since I've seen so much of this, this phenomena ought to have a name.
He responded that I should coin my own term for it. So, "vegan dysmorphia" it is.
A vegan couple placed their child on an extremely restrictive diet of basically four plant-based foods: mangoes, bananas, rambutans, and avocados. At eighteen months, this child weighed as much as a seven-month-old. The child starved to death, and the Florida couple is being charged with first-degree murder.
The child hadn't eaten in a week, the mother assumed it was teething. How do you have an eighteen month old who is the size of a seven-month-old and not perceive that something is wrong? How does an eighteen-month-old refuse food for an entire week and you merely assume that it's teething, and not even consider it might have something to do with the fact that the child is the size of a seven-month-old?
I conclude that there's a dysmorphia operating that causes these people to see starvation and perceive it as "normal."
Patrick at December 21, 2019 7:54 AM
@Patrick,
I think the word you are looking for is Dogma.
Sixclaws at December 21, 2019 8:31 AM
You know she does have a point
https://twitter.com/MsBlaireWhite/status/1208208051594940416
Sixclaws at December 21, 2019 8:35 AM
Unless you perceive anorexia nervosa as "dogma," the word "dogma" doesn't begin to cover it. It's a distorted perception.
Watch the first 50 seconds of this video (the rest is just scenery). And you'll see what I mean. This vegan (who calls himself Eco Mal) is responding to those who say he looks malnourished. He insists he's normal, even flexing an extremely underdeveloped biceps and sneering at those who think he looks malnourished.
"Does this look malnourished to you?"
Yes, it does.
Patrick at December 21, 2019 8:46 AM
Ivanka is every bit as alluring as is Chelsea, but no more so.
It's important to say so, because it would hurt both of their feelings.
Crid at December 21, 2019 11:19 AM
Drone Video #1: Whatever. (The smirk on the girl's face is indisputably attractive.)
Drone Video #2: Now we're getting somewhere!
Crid at December 21, 2019 11:36 AM
This nearly brought tears.
You shouldn't call it a date, but I *did* meet this woman for coffee. Once.
Crid at December 21, 2019 11:41 AM
A tweet about some of the worst sex you'll ever have.
Crid at December 21, 2019 11:52 AM
A fascinating perspective on the environment.
It's the shortest day of the year.
Crid at December 21, 2019 11:54 AM
This tweet is kind of poygnint.
Crid at December 21, 2019 11:56 AM
Um, Sixclaws, if even 1/4 of middle-class parents in China did that (in THIS century) to their 12-year-old children, don't you think we'd have heard that by now? (Obviously, working class parents, in any country, have almost every social excuse to demand ALL their kids' money, whether for food or the kids' school fees.)
Offhand, I don't even remember the Tiger Mom's doing anything quite that extreme.
But it does remind me of the 1980 MAD piece "The Mad Dictionary of Cliche Parental Terms." (I think that was the name, though there may have been more than one piece like that, over the years.)
"Atheist" meant "a son or daughter who dates someone from a different religion."
And a "bum" was "anyone over the age of 12 who isn't earning his own living."
Besides which, for thousands of years, ALL nations and cultures ignored adolescence entirely - e.g., a Jewish boy became a "man" at age 13, with practically all the rights and responsibilities. If all parents started practicing that tradition again, kids just might think twice before wasting their time and money in all sorts of ways (not to mention that waste of almost any kind is just plain bad for the environment).
lenona at December 21, 2019 12:06 PM
Watching this sportsing punt return.
Crid at December 21, 2019 12:09 PM
"The Mad Dictionary of Cliche Parental Terms."
___________________________________________
I found an image - it looks as though there may be different editions, at least in the UK. (I saw a couple of unfamiliar drawings among the familiar ones.)
At any rate, I definitely remember the specific age as being 12.
lenona at December 21, 2019 12:33 PM
@Patrick,
I'm talking about Veganism and their insane obsession about food purity.
But, reflecting on it, I believe the term that fits better with what you are looking for is Orthorexia.
Sixclaws at December 21, 2019 12:34 PM
@Lenona,
The Chinese are very good at keeping things to themselves, whenever these kind of dickish behaviour surfaces, is often due to someone is a blabbermouth or because it got caught on video.
Sixclaws at December 21, 2019 1:08 PM
Never let a feral pig run a movie studio.
A former teen model sues Harvey Weinstein, alleging sexual assault
mpetrie98 at December 21, 2019 1:24 PM
People may feel good electing Democrats to stop those mean Republicans. But they pay. Boy, do they ever pay.
mpetrie98 at December 21, 2019 1:57 PM
Public official, facing trial for assault and disorderly conduct, gets re-elected to a third term in Pennsylvania (bottom of following article).
Chelsa Wagner to stand trial again in Detroit
mpetrie98 at December 21, 2019 2:15 PM
Sixclaws, there has been no shortage of Chinese immigrants in the US, for decades. What is there to stop THEM from blabbing about how children are raised in China if they want to? Presumably, they prefer living in the US, after all. (And we do know quite a bit about how, for example, calling a child or even a teenager "obedient" in China is considered, by the addressee, to be a high compliment - or it's supposed to be.)
Granted, the Chinese DID keep the secret of how to make paper for four centuries or so, but anyone knows that secrecy was a lot easier 14 centuries ago.
Not to mention that a century ago or so, it was quite common for American parents not to let kids keep their own earnings at all, according to writer Sterling North - and we're not talking about poor families, either. So the father could simply have been an old-fashioned type.
lenona at December 22, 2019 12:32 PM
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