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Leaders and residents of Arab-Israeli towns fumed on Wednesday after US President Donald Trump’s peace plan proposed including their villages southeast of Haifa in a future Palestinian state.
“We are citizens of the state of Israel. Not enemies,” said Tayibe Mayor Sha’a Mansour Massarwa, who blasted the Trump’s “Deal of the Century” during an interview with the Ynet news site.
Ben David: it seems that the elusive Israli-Palestinian Peace Accord (TM) is something every President wants to try out. They see the past Presidents banging their heads against the wall with no good results, so they say, maybe my way of banging my head against the wall will work. But even the "successful" efforts, such as the Wye accord, have not stopped Pali aggression against Israel.
So as always, in the end, there will only remain a big bloody spot on the wall.
I'm not sure why Hanson apparently regards the world's CO2 emissions levels as necessarily dangerous, but other than that, he's spot on about the hypocrisy of America-blaming, Israel-hating Western leftists.
Trump's mideast thing looked like classic Trump to me. For the most part he just wrote down exactly where things stand today. I'll agree with Ben David he got some things wrong, for both sides even. But for the most part it is just a recognition of reality today. And now he will use the complete refusal to connect with reality by the Palestinians as a good reason to discontinue the US doing any more business with them.
It is like his stuff with North Korea. If they want to talk they can talk. If they want to walk they can walk. If an opportunity presents itself then great, if not oh well. Same thing in Venezuela. A minimal effort to test the waters and when no good solutions became available he dropped it. So I doubt Trump will bang his head over the Palestinians too much. Instead he will use this as a pretext to abandon them.
Ben
at February 1, 2020 3:32 PM
Ben:
I'll agree with Ben David he got some things wrong,
- - -
Nope. You are misinterpreting my post.
This *is* classic Trump - tearing up fictitious conceits of the Mandarin class. Putting an end to politically correct shakedowns by thugs and the pundits who love and excuse them. Returning the discussion to reality.
Trump has served notice that no more effort will be expended "hearing the pain" of the Palis - upending the sophisticates' pious PC inversion of victim and aggressor. The Peace Train is pulling away, with or without them.
...and their violent intransigence til now has been noticed, not ignored - and will cost them: the map accompanying this plan is a slap in the Pali's face. The Israelis can unilaterally annex most of Judea and Samaria tomorrow with no preconditions or negotiations - but further Pali statehood requires an explicit renunciation of violence and territorial ambition. None of the nudge-n-wink that let Arafat speak in Arabic about conquest while making nice in English.
I don't think he got anything wrong. He shook up the side that needs it and clarified America's previously compromised political and moral allegiances.
Neither Trump nor Bibi "mistakenly" believe the Palis will reform - this is what must be said officially now that Israel's painful waiting game has played out. This was the only way to undo the disaster of Oslo without an even more disastrous regional conflict.
We have suffered terror, but the truth has emerged and the Palis dirtied their own reputation. For many Israelis the real vindication is the large number of Arab states that immediately issued positive statements.
Ben David
at February 2, 2020 7:04 AM
You misunderstand what I intended Ben David. You pointed out there are a few geographic areas that are unhappy they would have to move in the incredibly unlikely case the Palestinians accepted this peace agreement. I was just agreeing that the borders Trump drew aren't perfect. They never are. Such is life.
Coughing, mmhmm..
https://twitter.com/PearlteaRizzy/status/1223483858357637121
Sixclaws at February 1, 2020 6:41 AM
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/356667/
I R A Darth Aggie at February 1, 2020 7:03 AM
So it begins.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/zerohedge-suspended-twitter
Sixclaws at February 1, 2020 7:24 AM
Orbital mechanics.
https://twitter.com/m_r_thomp/status/1222990126650994698
I R A Darth Aggie at February 1, 2020 7:25 AM
Does Not Fit the Narrative:
Leaders and residents of Arab-Israeli towns fumed on Wednesday after US President Donald Trump’s peace plan proposed including their villages southeast of Haifa in a future Palestinian state.
“We are citizens of the state of Israel. Not enemies,” said Tayibe Mayor Sha’a Mansour Massarwa, who blasted the Trump’s “Deal of the Century” during an interview with the Ynet news site.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/residents-of-arab-israeli-towns-fume-as-trump-plan-suggests-they-be-resettled/
Ben David at February 1, 2020 10:25 AM
Ben David: it seems that the elusive Israli-Palestinian Peace Accord (TM) is something every President wants to try out. They see the past Presidents banging their heads against the wall with no good results, so they say, maybe my way of banging my head against the wall will work. But even the "successful" efforts, such as the Wye accord, have not stopped Pali aggression against Israel.
So as always, in the end, there will only remain a big bloody spot on the wall.
In the meantime, conspiracy theorists will be deeply saddened.
mpetrie98 at February 1, 2020 11:54 AM
I'm not sure why Hanson apparently regards the world's CO2 emissions levels as necessarily dangerous, but other than that, he's spot on about the hypocrisy of America-blaming, Israel-hating Western leftists.
The Cult of Western Shaming
mpetrie98 at February 1, 2020 12:02 PM
Trump's mideast thing looked like classic Trump to me. For the most part he just wrote down exactly where things stand today. I'll agree with Ben David he got some things wrong, for both sides even. But for the most part it is just a recognition of reality today. And now he will use the complete refusal to connect with reality by the Palestinians as a good reason to discontinue the US doing any more business with them.
It is like his stuff with North Korea. If they want to talk they can talk. If they want to walk they can walk. If an opportunity presents itself then great, if not oh well. Same thing in Venezuela. A minimal effort to test the waters and when no good solutions became available he dropped it. So I doubt Trump will bang his head over the Palestinians too much. Instead he will use this as a pretext to abandon them.
Ben at February 1, 2020 3:32 PM
Ben:
I'll agree with Ben David he got some things wrong,
- - -
Nope. You are misinterpreting my post.
This *is* classic Trump - tearing up fictitious conceits of the Mandarin class. Putting an end to politically correct shakedowns by thugs and the pundits who love and excuse them. Returning the discussion to reality.
Trump has served notice that no more effort will be expended "hearing the pain" of the Palis - upending the sophisticates' pious PC inversion of victim and aggressor. The Peace Train is pulling away, with or without them.
...and their violent intransigence til now has been noticed, not ignored - and will cost them: the map accompanying this plan is a slap in the Pali's face. The Israelis can unilaterally annex most of Judea and Samaria tomorrow with no preconditions or negotiations - but further Pali statehood requires an explicit renunciation of violence and territorial ambition. None of the nudge-n-wink that let Arafat speak in Arabic about conquest while making nice in English.
I don't think he got anything wrong. He shook up the side that needs it and clarified America's previously compromised political and moral allegiances.
Neither Trump nor Bibi "mistakenly" believe the Palis will reform - this is what must be said officially now that Israel's painful waiting game has played out. This was the only way to undo the disaster of Oslo without an even more disastrous regional conflict.
We have suffered terror, but the truth has emerged and the Palis dirtied their own reputation. For many Israelis the real vindication is the large number of Arab states that immediately issued positive statements.
Ben David at February 2, 2020 7:04 AM
You misunderstand what I intended Ben David. You pointed out there are a few geographic areas that are unhappy they would have to move in the incredibly unlikely case the Palestinians accepted this peace agreement. I was just agreeing that the borders Trump drew aren't perfect. They never are. Such is life.
That is all I intended by that line.
Ben at February 2, 2020 7:54 AM
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