• For some reason, Amy's hairdo tweet was followed by this.

• Children's faces.

7 Jul 20 Edition—

Did Ghislaine wake up this morning?

☒ Yes

☐ No

Does Chislaine have Covid-19, the oft-fatal infectious disease?

☐ Yes

☐ No

☒ Maybe

Okay, see you tomorrow.

That plumage indicates she is the mother of the Bar Mitzvah bird.

'murica:

https://twitter.com/klara_sjo/status/1280251887246209024

He doesn't understand this because CNN doesn't need advertising income in order to stay afloat.

https://twitter.com/brianstelter/status/1280289933643653121

Don't go full Road Warrior. You never go full Road Warrior.

What would you do in this situation?

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1280167148409643009

Shit like that gets you starvation rations. Not sure what city that's in, but if the truckers go on strike and refuse to deliver I can't say I blame them.

History starts on the day you're born.

Okay class raise your hand if you read a book by a woman that was published before 1997.

https://twitter.com/JessCluess/status/1280214961709555719

I would ask anyone who believes the world owes them something:

"What ground-breaking contribution did you make to get the entirety of the world in your debts?"

https://twitter.com/Malcolm_fleX48/status/1280458804631486464

Speaking of history, Darth...

When we think of our favorite historic figures - or favorite entertainment figures, for that matter, living or dead, do we really care whether or not they married or had children?

How many people can even recite the names of Shakespeare's children, for example?

And how many people really care that Rosa Parks never had any?

Most people can't even rattle off all eight of their great-grandparents' names. The only real way to stay in your descendants' memories - or the public's memory - is to ACCOMPLISH something unique in your lifetime. Even a teenager can reproduce, by comparison.
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kittehpeoples
July 07, 2020
Just wandering down memory lane over on youtube and played the Paradise Garage video (a Tim Curry song, for those who don't know). One of the top comments was something along the lines of "I get the feeling he could seduce anyone on the planet." Two of the people responded by bemoaning the fact that he never married and never had kids. Seriously? It's Tim. Fucking. Curry. He's awesomeness embodied. How the hell is it "sad" that he chose not to reproduce? Has his life and career not been enough on their own?

If we could clone him, on the other hand...I might be for that. The world surely needs more Tim Currys.

bell_flower:
Commenters like that are like crabs in a bucket. They see someone living a fabulous life and want to drag him down.

And apparently is not enough to be awesome and splendid on one's own--one has to saddle himself/herself with crotch fruit and Do Your Duty to HumanityTM.

These mouth-breathers ought to be glad he didn't spawn, because, seriously, when I think of "people who are making a difference in the world," the LAST demographic I think of is "children of celebrities," unless you define "making a difference" as "keeping detox centers in business."

Most of them are entitled and spoiled little -----.

This isn't on my "2020 Embrace the Suck" bingo card. I'd like to speak to the manag...you known, never mind.

A wedding photo shoot on a California beach ended in near disaster when the newlyweds were swept from a large rock by a giant wave.

A witness captured video of the scene near the Montage Hotel in Laguna Beach when the couple, dressed in their wedding garb, were hit by a giant wave and swept into the water.

https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2020/07/02/Giant-wave-sweeps-newlyweds-into-the-ocean-during-photo-shoot/5091593720680/

Lenona, the only people who care about people having "crotch fruit" are...the fruit.

• Our capacity for honesty is dissolving.

• This is funny, but the people who're pulling down statues are merely rampaging toddlers. As their secondary consideration, it ain't about the lives of of the people depicted by the statues… it's more that the vandals don't want to think anyone who came before them could have earned admiration.

I dated a mother of three whose middle child was mentally and severely physically disabled. When his little sister was learning to walk, he'd reach down and knock her over.

See also, 'Israel's neighbors.'

Oh. I'm still going for the under. And she's being housed in the same facility that Epstein was at when he didn't hang himself.

NY POST: Highest-ever security team monitoring Ghislaine Maxwell in jail

https://twitter.com/joshdcaplan/status/1280528707480887296

More Maxwell, via an Ellen Pao tweet.

“We knew about her supplying underage girls for sex, but I guess that was fine with the “cool” people who managed to tightly control the guest list,” tweeted Pao.

https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/07/06/reddit-ceo-epstein/

I'll refer to her as Maxwell because I can't reliably spell her first name.

Ellen Pao is insane. If she tells you the sun's coming up tomorrow, buy candles. She aspires to be as corrosive as Epstein.

If you wanna feel some righteous annoyance about Epstein, here's a good 15 minutes with Eric Weinstein.

Here’s a thought, if you are the type of person who spends hours trolling websites that refer to women & children as “moos”, “breeders”, and, tonight’s offering, “crotch fruit” for lengthy comments that are apropos of nothing; you have no business lecturing the rest of us on manners, seriousness of mind, or quality of hobbies. If you are this type of person, you might want to spend time thinking about what motivates you to seek out this garbage and why it stimulates the pleasure centers of your brain. It says way more about the inner workings of your soul than you think, and none of it good.

It wasn't "apropos of nothing," it was apropos of the fact that more than one person made a ridiculous comment on a fabulous celebrity who had already given his fans what they paid for. Anyone who acts like a fan of so-and-so but whines about what that person HASN'T done doesn't deserve to be called a fan, IMO.

As it happens, no, I don't spend even a quarter of the time at Bratfree or the CF Reddit group that I do here, mainly because the comments and issues can get pretty repetitive. That doesn't change the fact that those groups, like THIS forum, are way different from the mainstream media, so one can get all sorts of insights one wouldn't get elsewhere. Plus, they have a strong code of ethics you might not expect. For one thing, they say that if society really cared about protecting children, the penalty for parents whose children die in hot cars would be just as harsh as when the neglectful adult is a babysitter - but the penalty never is. (Hint: there have been some cases, involving parents, that didn't exactly look like accidents.)

Btw, Darth, as the comments at YouTube indicated, random people DO care, illogically - and I've seen it in person as well. In 1999, when JFK Jr. crashed his plane, I said to a 37-year-old man: "oh well, at least they didn't make orphans out of any poor kids." He was horrified and said "what are you talking about? It's TERRIBLE they didn't have kids!"

Get this - he was a Republican.

And Sheep Mom, in case you didn't see this the last time I posted it:

...there's a lot of nasty spleen-venting in the classic, witty 1980s book "The Portable Curmudgeon" (edited by Jon Winokur; it includes 15 interviews/profiles as well as a lot of quotations), but the point of the book is simply to be anti-sentimentalist, even if some of the members have inflated egos. So it is with Bratfree, most of the time.

As Winokur says in the introduction to TPC:

"...A curmudgeon's reputation for malevolence is undeserved. They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind, just mankind's excesses. They're just as sensitive and soft-hearted as the next guy, but they hide their vulnerability beneath a crust of misanthropy. They ease the pain by turning hurt into humor. They snarl at pretense and bite at hypocrisy out of a healthy sense of outrage. They attack maudlinism because it devalues genuine sentiment.
They hurl polemical thunderbolts at middle-class values and pop culture in order to preserve their sanity. Nature, having failed to equip them with a serviceable denial mechanism, has endowed them with astute perception and sly wit. Offense is their only defense. Their weapons are irony, satire, sarcasm, ridicule. Their targets are pretense, pomposity, conformity, incompetence. And they'll tell you that their targets are everywhere and multiplying like Smurfs..."

Also, from another childfree page:

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/childfree/424.html?mode=reply

Excerpt:

Belief: "So Childfree people don't want kids - we get that, but it's not necessary to be so 'activist' about it."

Truth: "It is, actually. We network, we share information on doctors who don't make us jump through hoops and undergo psychological testing and still stay 'sorry, won't do it', no matter what. We share information on birth control, we share frustration with others who understand and have been there - at being told we'll 'change our minds', or nagging in-laws, or getting told by a spouse after five years of marriage that they want children and that's that. We vent about not being allowed time off of work to care for infirm parents or roommates, when coworkers can frequently take off as much as they want to run their kids to soccer practice, and dump the rest of the workload on us. We vent about taxes, about lack of social services and help available for those without children, and at how baby-centric society has become - and it has. Haven't you ever personally experienced the relief and pleasure of being able to congregate and converse with people of like minds? If your whole family and most of your friends followed one political party that did not match your views, how would you feel if you met a group of people who do share your outlook on things, and you can talk to without getting yelled at or told you're crazy? It's no different here."

Plus, they have a strong code of ethics you might not expect.

Forgot to say that, though it's been quite a while since this subject was raised, now and again, they complain that neurotypical kids are being robbed of their education when severely autistic kids are mainstreamed - that is, kids who can't refrain from yelling or running around - or worse. (Some of them related their own school memories.) But, for all I know, cases that extreme don't happen very often, which would explain why it's been a while.

Yeah, I skimmed that term paper you typed up and let me bottom line it for you this way,; bigots always have “good” reasons for being bigots. You are known by who you hang with and obviously, since you defend this language, you must agree with these comments. You certainly spend a lot of time savoring them, that’s for sure. A woman your age and who spends as much time on the Miss Manners website nitpicking other people’s behavior as you do, should know this Is wrong and unacceptable behavior by now. It’s interesting to me that you don’t see it. Is it possible that Artemis is related to you?

You know, plenty of PARENTS can't stand a lot of other parents or their spoiled children either. Ask any parent who paid for a babysitter and an expensive restaurant only to have the evening ruined by parents who didn't get a sitter.

Do you call restaurant owners "bigots" for excluding children under age ten because the parents in that particular neighborhood can no longer be trusted to keep kids THAT age under control? If so, why?

Why not argue that it's bigotry to deny 12-year-olds the vote, while you're at it?

I defended the late George Carlin's language too. That didn't mean I liked all of HIS jokes - or that HE thought he had the right to be disgusting off-stage. (He wasn't.) There's no reason to believe Bratfree members are different, offline. (They know all too well that whenever there's an angry, public conflict between adults without children and parents, the former will usually get blamed, so they have to walk on eggshells.)

And as they say, they don't hate kids; just rotten parents who would rather stare at their phones than control their rampaging kids. That's why they speak fondly of those well-behaved friends of theirs who happen to be parents - they even have a name for them. What's so terrible about that?

Oh, yes - there are also stores where children - anyone under 15, maybe - are not allowed inside without an adult, presumably because too many of them steal or break the merchandise. How is that not bigotry?

There's no reason to believe Bratfree members are different, offline.

Meaning, no different from Carlin, of course. Btw, he had a daughter, but HE wasn't too fond of other people's children either - at least, not onstage. I can think of at least three long examples of that. Got a problem with him as well?

Also, would you call the following the words of a child-hater? (No, I didn't write it.)

From 2005:

"Most Ridiculous Item of the Week: Someone recently asked me if I like children. I didn't say so, but the question is as ridiculous as 'Do you like adults?' The fact is, I like children who are well behaved and mind their manners.

"I like children who do not attract a lot of attention to themselves. I like children who do not interrupt conversations, do what they are told the first time they are told, entertain themselves, share freely, can take 'No' for an answer, go to bed readily and stay there, eat what is put in front of them, are kind and patient with younger children and pets, understand that a rule on Monday is a rule on Tuesday as well, have a good sense of humor, shake hands with adults (as opposed to 'high-fiving'), address adults formally (as opposed to using first names), don't ask for much, are curious and inquisitive, and don't give up if at first they don't succeed.

"In other words, I like some children. Mind you, I don't necessarily dislike the rest; I just don't want to be around them for very long, especially if they're with their parents."

Make that four Carlin examples. I'd forgotten the one where he quoted murder mystery novelist Patricia Highsmith, about a hypothetical homeless kitten.

And you might as well accuse Amy of hating women, since she regularly complains of women's misandrist behavior, but almost never about any man's misogynist behavior. (Leaving aside those who were convicted of crimes.) I don't blame her much for that. After all, to point out misandrist behavior is an anti-sentimental act, which means sticking your neck out - so she has to be admired for that. Plus, there's no shortage of men and women who condemn misogyny.

Color me surprised! Another chapter in Mein Kampf: The Useless Breeders edition by Lenona. This chapter entitled: Famous People Said it So it Must Okay....

Consider this from Mathew 7:20, “By their fruits shall you know them...” These vulgar sayings and thoughts are your fruits. You really work at justifying this particular set of bugaboos. Jealousy is such an ugly emotion...

The reason I am taking time to point this out is bc you spend so much time moralizing to the rest of us about what’s proper and yet, you refuse to see the error in your own ways. Here’s another saying that applies to you, Mathew 7:1-5 “Remove the plank in your own eye before you remove the speck in another’s eye.”

I realize this isn’t your usual down market fare, but here’s a link to help you understand better.

https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/commentary/remove-the-plank

You're still dodging all the questions I asked.

And how is Amy not wrong to spend so much time on one side and not the other?

Btw, as far as I'm concerned, most CF people have removed the plank from their own eyes - by being HUMBLE enough to admit they just wouldn't have the time in their busy lives to be parents, so they opted out and thus did not contribute to the huge problem of neglected children.

Plus, the old-fashioned, "Leave it to Beaver" attitude was that the neighbors, parents or not, had an obligation to act as casual supervisors and report on any badly-behaved children - and to call the police when the parents refused to cooperate. Clearly, CF people have a little more time to act as "the village" in that way. The point is that we used to be an adult-centered society, but when more and more parents revolve around their children and refuse to believe they might lie about anything, we obviously need more and more "outsiders" to remind parents that there's a very good reason for parents to believe ADULTS first, if civilization is to survive.

Amy is different bc she has a life and is comfortable with the choices she has made in life. That’s why you don’t see her dwelling on this issue.

You, on the other hand, spend your days digging through the archives of gutter sites and regurgitating it here. Browsing would be bad enough, but you spend what must be hours digging through archives laden with bitterness and resentment to uncover these turds which you then present to us as if they golden nuggets of wisdom. As if it is possible to learn something valuable from ppl who spend hours locked in their own echo chamber screaming about children and stay at home moms. You, my dear, are just like MRA types and incels who claim to hate women, while not being able to tear their gaze away from the object of their hate, or if we are being honest, their deepest desire. Jealousy is a hell of a drug lady; you should really think about getting that particular monkey off your back.

Talk about projection...YOU sound jealous.

Maybe you didn't see me mention it in another thread, but I deeply cherish silence for hours at a time, every day - as any normal adult would, so that one can hear oneself think. I'm damn lucky I was born late enough, in the U.S., so that that was actually an option for me. (Unlike with so many boomers.) And I'm very grateful.

Unfortunately, of course, living in the 21st century also means being surrounded by adults and children alike who just might pull a knife on you if, say, they're being noisy in the library and you ask them to be quiet. An awful lot of this is due to bad parenting - or no real parenting at all. This snowballs into situations where authorities who are afraid to do anything, since they might get sued. So if you care about preventing that sort of thing, you'd do well to criticize bad parents at least as often as Alkon does. Thanks to cellphones, parents will find it harder and harder in the future to lie and deny their kids' behavior just because THEY didn't see what really happened. (Sort of like with Amy Cooper. Maybe her attitude wasn't at all her parents' fault - but even when it isn't, bad manners in adults is another vicious circle that has to be stopped, which is why we need more manners, not fewer.)

Okay class raise your hand if you read a book by a woman that was published before 1997.

Just a few of my favorites, by when _I_ first read them to the best of my recollection (some were decades after their first publication, and one was over a century):

1950's: Laura Ingalls Wilder, Beatrix Potter.

1960's: Harper Lee, Andre Norton, Madeleine L'Engle. (I certainly zipped through many Beverly Cleary works in a half-hour or less, but she never came near being a favorite.)

1970's: Marion Zimmer Bradley, Mary Shelley, Ursula K Leguin (and one book by her mother, Theodora Kroeber), C.J. Cherryh, C.L. Moore

And lots more, but after about 1980 I have trouble remembering when I started reading them.