London Breed, mayor of San Francisco and head of its government, defended Nancy Pelosi's use of a salon during the city's lockdown, so hypocrisy is the order of the day at SF City Hall.

Her defense of The City's highest ranking national politician consisted of "Pelosi is every day fighting the evil Trump, so she needs to look good." Um, yeah.

Not enough info for me to judge.

Presumably a gym in a workplace only has people who are co-workers going to it. They're exposed to each other already anyways. I don't know enough about the risks.

I can understand letting law enforcement use the gym. They need to stay in shape for when they wrestle with "peaceful" protestors and individuals that resist arrest.

Judges, on the other hand, very bad move. If they are going to be enforcing lockdowns, of questionable legality, then they need to go out of the way to follow the same rules. It is very corrosive to our tattered concept of equal protection of the law.

I might be OK with government employees ignoring the precautions they require others to take, if the disease was any more deadly than influenza...

Not enough info for me to judge.

I was assured that we're all in this together. Am I mis-informed?

Those places will go out of business. Their rent isn't postponed, nor their taxes, nor any of the upkeep necessary to the physical plant. There's only so long before they say fuck it and move.

Nerdrotic posted this rant. His wife was in San Fran the same day ScatFran Nan had her blowout. She was there to finalize the closeout of her own salon. He tends to be a bit salty with his language.

https://youtu.be/k_Lfd2umWoM

Also, the owner of the physical plant - the stylist doing the work only rents a work space - will probably have to close the business and leave because she has become persona non grata.

What all this shows is that COVID was never all that dangerous to people under 80, and that the bureaucrats imposing lockdowns now know it perfectly well (even CDC has admitted it now), but they are keeping restrictions in place to get us conditioned to being their helpless pawns. In other words the same reason TSA still exists even after Flight 93 proved the agency worthless.

So long as we continue to obey, they will continue to abuse us. If we flout the restrictions we'll at least get a day in court to challenge them. If the courts won't overturn, then we need to consider stronger options.

> What all this shows is that COVID
> was never all that dangerous to
> people under 80, and that the
> bureaucrats imposing lockdowns
> now know it perfectly well

Remember, Jadester— This isn't about pathogens or other insensate forces… This is happening because a sinister cabal of government and industrial powers wants to make you miserable. It's all politics!

Nevertheless:

Daniels said that cardiac M.R.I.s, an expensive and sparingly used tool, revealed an alarmingly high rate of myocarditis — heart inflammation that can lead to cardiac arrest with exertion — among college athletes who had recovered from the coronavirus.

The survey found myocarditis in close to 15 percent of athletes who had the virus, almost all of whom experienced mild or no symptoms, Daniels added, perhaps shedding more light on the uncertainties about the short- and long-term effects the virus may have on athletes.

Covid is just an attitude problem, right? So by all means, "consider stronger options."

> Presumably a gym in a workplace only
> has people who are co-workers going
> to it. They're exposed to each other
> already anyways. I don't know enough
> about the risks.

Let's know what we know: These workplaces aren't "bubbles." Anyone working there could catch it on Friday afternoon at the supermarket and put the entire office at risk, just as with the rest of the human population.

Epidemiology. People can learn this stuff.

Well, one must do what one can to maintain appearances, mustn't one? It simply won't do to be seen with puffy abs and flat hair. It just won't!

Two more for JDgalt—

• Dateline 5:15 this morning

• Atlantic piece from Monday

Yes,Crid, but are they more at risk because of the gym? they're already catching each other's germs.

When I was young, a healthy 15-year-old friend and his dog stopped where I worked one summer morning about 9:00 on his way hitchhiking to the beach. When they stopped again at about 5:00 in the evening on their way back home, my friend had a cold. Around midnight he died from pneumonia caused by the flu. No pre-existing conditions.

A few years later another friend, a healthy 20-year-old young woman, woke up one morning with a sore throat and went to work. The sore throat got worse and she went home at lunch time. At about 3:00 PM she went to the emergency room. At around 9:00 PM she died from pneumonia caused by the flu. No pre-existing conditions.

This happens to hundreds of young people every year, even though cheap, easily available vaccines are taken by millions of people. Many more who survive suffer long lasting damage. I've dealt with this many times as a registered nurse over the last three decades, and as an EMT on a fire department before that. No headlines, no lock downs, no social distancing, no masks, no school closures, no public debate, no politicians dictating which medical treatment is legitimate and which isn't.

The rationale given for the dictatorial mandates imposed to decrease the spread of covid-19, under the pretext of saving lives, would apply to other deadly infectious diseases too. If such mandates are saving thousands of lives from covid-19, they could have save millions from influenza and other contagious diseases since my two friends died. For some reason, covid-19 lives matter, but influenza lives don't? I think the reason has to do with something other than public health and safety.

"What the city has unwillingly done is created this great case study that says that working out indoors is actually safe," said Karraker.

Same thing would seem to apply to large, outdoor gatherings of thousands of protesters, all of them sort of case studies that have been replicated hundreds of times all across the country.

But for some reason, in places like Seattle, a few thousand people demonstrating for left-wing causes in the street is perfectly safe, but a few hundred people holding a prayer meeting in a park isn't.

> more at risk because of the gym?

The reduction of risk by limiting local transmission is not virginity; it doesn't vanish upon the first violation.

AND IF IT DID

And if it did, I'd rather have that comfort and relief distributed among the millions of blue collars who can't go to the Y — or seek comfort with a mug of suds with co-workers in a bar after work — than allow it for even twenty of duplicitous, exploitative shitweasels burning our tax dollars in government offices by telling the churches to move to zoom.

Let me know if that's too thic to read.

I really want to be clear about this.

NicoleK, as Crid makes very clear here he is innumerate and incapable of honestly answering your question.

The answer to your question is no gym are not a specifically at risk activity. At least not compared to other common ones.

Your top venues of concern for transmission are bars, clubs, raves, concerts, and such. Surprise, surprise, people who are intoxicated make poor decisions.

Your next highest transmission group is people working in a large building together. Especially ones open to the public. Grocery stores, big box retailers, malls, etc. Meat packing plants are not open to the public but due to the nature of the work they are also in this group. The issue with such places is they have centralized air. 6ft of distance makes no difference for the people working there. Same with the various sneeze guards, masks, etc. Please note the risk is for people working there. As a customer who only spends a little time there your risk is significantly lower. Also as a customer the threat you represent is significantly lowered by you wearing a mask.

Gyms fall into a third group along with shopping at a big box retailer or working/shopping/eating at a small store or restaurant.

For an honest risk assessment you also need to take into account the risk factors associated with COVID-19.
1. COVID is a very age dependent disease. For people under 40 the vast majority will experience no symptoms to sleepy and hungry for a week. But that changes near exponentially with age. People in their 60s have a 20% chance of death. It only goes up from there.
2. Chronic kidney disease
3. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (ex. emphysema)
4. Immunocompromised
5. Obesity
6. Heart disease
7. Sickle cell
8. Type 2 diabetes

It is interesting that hypertension is no longer considered a risk factor. It looks like symptoms of hypertension like kidney disease and heart disease were the real issues and hypertension all on it's own is not a significant contributing factor. At the same time while obesity can cause diabetes this appears to be a different situation. Both appear to be independent risk factors.

And that is significant for this discussion because increased exercise is one way to help both type 2 diabetes and obesity.