Seems topical.

https://babylonbee.com/news/white-liberals-watch-in-stunned-amazement-as-black-man-acquires-id

Seems topical. ~ Ben at May 11, 2021 5:07 AM

The headline alone was brilliant.

I do agree that, for some folks, getting an ID can be a burden. Not, however, for all who claim it as a burden; nor for all for whom the Left claims it to be a burden.

For example, old folks on a pension or Social Security who don't drive may get through life without an ID and subsequently find it difficult to acquire one since most DMV offices are not conveniently located for those without a car (at least here, they aren't). That, however, is not an insurmountable problem and can be addressed by both public and private efforts.

For example, old folks on a pension or Social Security who don't drive may get through life without an ID and subsequently find it difficult to acquire one since most DMV offices are not conveniently located for those without a car (at least here, they aren't). That, however, is not an insurmountable problem and can be addressed by both public and private efforts.

Conan the Grammarian at May 11, 2021 5:44 AM

Need to go to the doctor and get it covered by Medicare? Or see a doctor at all? Fill a prescription? You’re going to need an ID.

Patrisse Cullors, the co-founder and executive director of Black Lives Matter’s national arm, has funneled business to a company led by a man she identified as the father of her only child, a Daily Caller News Foundation review of business records, interviews and social media posts found.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/05/06/patrisse-cullors-damon-turner-black-lives-matter-contract-payments/

The good news is that now we can all call ourselves white supremacists without any reduction in status, since every white person and every successful POC is now defined as one.

I think a whole lot of discrimination against "woke" viewpoints would be a really good idea.

Need to go to the doctor and get it covered by Medicare? Or see a doctor at all? Fill a prescription? You’re going to need an ID. ~ Isab at May 11, 2021 6:43 AM

My uncle is 90 and has not had a state ID since he stopped driving over ten years ago. On the rare occasions when he needs an ID, he uses his passport. To visit his doctor, usually his insurance or medicare card is enough. His pension and his Social Security are direct deposited into his account. His debit card is sufficient ID at the bank.

I haven't had to show an ID at the local pharmacy at all; just know my birth date and address.

People are getting by without state-issued IDs. Does that mean they should be able to vote without being able to prove they are eligible voters? No. There does need to be some sort of verification of identity at the voting booth or on an absentee ballot.

There's no reason why a ride-share service like Uber can't let people donate rides to the DMV for elderly or shut-in residents. That is, unless the PRO Act passes and obliterates the gig economy.

Or why progressives concerned about those folks not being able get an ID can't give them rides to the DMV. Or why states cannot provide non-DL state IDs through some agency other than the DMV.

Or why progressives concerned about those folks not being able get an ID can't give them rides to the DMV. Or why states cannot provide non-DL state IDs through some agency other than the DMV.

Conan the Grammarian at May 11, 2021 8:20 AM

They aren’t concerned. It is all gaslighting.

On the subject of progressive tropes. I once had an argument with a recent college graduate who was brainwashed woke.

It was on the subject of funding for National parks. I suggested raising the entrance fees, so that more of the costs fell on the actual users, rather than the tax payers as a whole.

She responded that it would deny access to poor black kids from Chicago who didn’t have the money to pay that kind of fee to get into Yellowstone.

She really hated my reply, which was that a 20 dollar entrance fee to get into Yellowstone was the least of the worries of poor black kids from Chicago, since the cost of the bus ride there and back, food, and lodging would be fifty times more money.

She responded that it would deny access to poor black kids from Chicago who didn’t have the money to pay that kind of fee to get into Yellowstone. ~ Isab at May 11, 2021 9:59 AM

That sounds about right - that a $20 entrance fee is the main obstacle to poor kids from Chicago visiting a national park over 1,300 miles away.

"Won't somebody pleeease think of the children!?" ~ Helen Lovejoy

Most services for the elderly or poor required an ID to set up or use. Republicans have over the years set up various free ride/ free id programs to counter the accusation of racism. Most of the programs have ridiculously low useage, a dozen or two who use them in a year, for an entire state.

Also there is this from Census data. https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-was-that-about-voter-suppression-11620081220?fbclid=IwAR2qZhcn6AOY6WIauNzbaShFrQktojY71zMQDbGqOw53jOnW-JiPpRw0xNY

Census data released last week shows that the states with the largest gap between white turnout and black turnout were mostly Democratic, NOT Republican.

If it were admitted that black people can get ahead and be successful, then activists like this would not be needed.
The claim that everything, especially traits that lead to success, is white supremacy, is an attack on any ability to get ahead. It is a call for total destruction of culture and society.

The claim that everything, especially traits that lead to success, is white supremacy, is an attack on any ability to get ahead. It is a call for total destruction of culture and society. ~ cc at May 11, 2021 12:53 PM

It's eerily like Harrison Bergeron - sixty years early.

Any attitude or effort that makes one person stand out must be suppressed. And society must be conditioned to regard any attempt to stand out in an endeavor as undesirable.

The Soviet Union censored people to attempted to stand out from the crowd - this was not a "new Soviet person" way to behave, this was base, old-school bourgeois behavior. The new Soviet person put aside his baser instincts and aspired to a higher existence.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few."

Do they? Do they really? And who decides what those needs are, and whether the actions taken are truly for the many, not the few?

I know a guy named Solomon who has a successful accounting firm, makes about $400K a year. Obviously Jewish, right? Nope, he's black.

The Soviet Union censored people to attempted to stand out from the crowd.... ~ Conan the Grammarian at May 11, 2021 1:10 PM

That should have read, "The Soviet Union censured people who attempted to stand out from the crowd...."

Entrance fees can be sliding scale. In Europe they often have lower fees for attractions for the unemployed. You could make it so you showed your WIC or EBT or whatever card and you got a reduced rate or even free admission.

You can have entrance fees AND make it accessible to the poor.

The only danger I can see is something like "Oh well I paid to be here so I can leave my trash for the rangers to clean up," but that could work either way, you also might only have people who really love parks going in, and they'd be less likely to pollute...

There should be a basic, free government-issued ID that you can use for anything you need an ID for (buying booze, voting, picking up pills) within the borders.

That said some ID stuff is excessive. Once I tried to buy nail polish remover at CVS and I needed to show ID. Because I don't usually carry around my passport, I had my wallet with me and had my Swiss-issued passport card and driver's license, which were not accepted. For nail polish remover. Apparently you can sniff it or something?

It reminds me of a complaints here a few years back when voter id was proposed. People in a particular program were pointed out (not individuals but the situation) and how could they afford or have the time to get a government ID. Then it was pointed out by the other side that as part of being enrolled in the program you were given a government ID that worked for ID purposed just as much as anything else like a driver's license.

Then it was using this ID could be an embarrassment to the individual.

"There should be a basic, free government-issued ID that you can use for anything you need an ID for (buying booze, voting, picking up pills) within the borders." ~NicoleK

For the US that is the drivers licence. And while they aren't free they also aren't expensive. As Conan pointed out most places have programs and groups who will help pay for it if you can't afford one and who will help you get to the issuer if you can't do that on your own.

https://ballotpedia.org/Driver%27s_license_costs_by_state,_2018

If you don't want to deal with the driving test I'm pretty sure every state offers an alternate ID that doesn't permit driving. It is still a photo ID and can be used for any activity other than driving. I had one when I was in high school. Like the drivers license it is also issued at the DMV. All the above mentioned programs also apply for that.

The only reason to not want ID for voting is to make it easier to cheat in elections. Similarly the only reason to opposed audits of elections you aren't paying for is you don't want evidence of fraud being revealed.

And yes you can sniff paint thinner. Or be like this guy and inhale a can of paint instead.

https://external-preview.redd.it/2PHT9IuRg_O5ch-Rv9ceb7muBDKYZoFdU77r35Dcidk.jpg?auto=webp&s=7a0041d4ba745601178d521442e80a57d9d1ba6f

If they can ballot harvest, you'd think they could transport people to the DMV to get a state-issued ID.

But they can't make sure you vote for the 'correct' person that way Rural. Once you have ID and are all alone in a voting booth who know what wild things you might do.

Nikki Haley pointed out during the kerfluffle about Georgia voter ID that South Carolina already has it: you present your voter registration card or your state ID or DL at the ONE precinct which may count your vote.

Of 5 million people, 25 needed a state ID.

We wouldn't put up with a lottery that lost one dollar, and they can tell where it was bought at what time, to the second. Each ticket is unique.
Yet we allow all sorts of crap to happen counting votes.

I suggest that if you cannot tell me how your vote was counted, AND produce a record held by your board of elections, you cannot tell me you voted.

"It was on the subject of funding for National parks."

Tell them about Pittman-Robertson and watch them wish for death...

Of 5 million people, 25 needed a state ID. -- Radwaste

so why did 25 people need state ID and nearly ~5 million did not?