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I wonder if the folks from Bratfree have seen this video.
Sixclaws
at October 21, 2021 6:34 AM
Sixclaws, not yet - apparently. (Bratfree doesn't get nearly as much traffic as some people here assume. Besides, they often prefer to discuss the more egregious cases of parental spoiling/neglect - such as in a recent thread about parents who don't teach their autistic adult children not to molest other adults, because it would be too much worrrrkkkkk - and it would hurt their children's feeeeelings.)
In the meantime:
"There’s No Innocent Way to Ask Your Son or Daughter About Grandkids
Fertility is a deeply private topic, often better left alone. But if aspiring grandparents want to raise the question, it’s best done with sensitivity."
... “No one but a couple knows what’s happening in their bedroom and in their doctor’s offices,” wrote another member of the Homebodies Facebook group, a young mother from Tel Aviv named Inbal. (She asked to be identified only by her first name; she says she still feels a lot of shame about her infertility.) “So often parents broach the subject and don’t think about the pain that the couple or their child might be experiencing because they’re trying [to have a baby] and it’s not working out.”
It’s to avoid this possibility that Maureen Kelly, the medical director of Society Hill Reproductive Medicine, in Philadelphia, told The New York Times last summer that no one should ask young people whether they plan to have children, when they want them, how many they’ll have, or anything else about baby-making. “This includes mothers, sisters, close friends, acquaintances and other family members,” Kelly said. “This is a highly personal topic and should be considered off limits unless someone brings it up.”
Still, silence can create its own problem...
________________________________________
Of course, the trouble is that in many cultures, too many friends and family would respond to Kelly with "what do you mean, this is none of my business? It's EVERYBODY's business! I wouldn't dream of NOT asking!"
(Bratfree certainly has its share of unfortunate women under a certain age who are surrounded by nosy, rude questioners who won't stop trying to run their lives and get angry when told to back off. Luckily for others, there ARE communities where people have the sense to realize that it's just plain hurtful to ask such questions of couples who may have money or fertility problems - and that it's just plain rude to make ANY type of personal remark.)
Lenona
at October 21, 2021 11:19 AM
I do hope the folks at Bratfree find out about this. I love to read their responses.
Sixclaws
at October 22, 2021 11:49 AM
I doubt it will come up. I found that the video is from 2019. Plus, I just searched in Bratfree on "sushi." Nothing. (But then, the search function for Amy's blog doesn't work too well, either.)
Anyway, here's a nice long Reddit thread about the video. (It's important to point out that each sushi dish had a plastic cover on it, which you can see if you blow it up - but we're still watching rotten "parenting" at work.)
But yes, the separate story about a server who got fired for reporting a little kid who stole the server's tip sounds suspicious. How many managers would do such a thing?
And elsewhere, I saw a religious blog that condemned people who want childfree restaurants. Some posters even complained bitterly about places that don't offer high chairs.
Trouble is, even when adult diners who can't tolerate childish screaming just politely leave without buying anything (and don't complain on Yelp either), one can't blame the restaurant OWNERS for noticing the people who leave and then deciding that either the rules for parents of small children have to be posted on the wall (as the owner of Chicago's A Taste of Heaven did) - or, if that doesn't work, to ban all kids under five - or, sometimes, 12. How else can they hope to stay open?
And, just a reminder: even parents often want and expect a quiet dining experience, which is why they pay for sitters, go to a place that's SUPPOSED to be quiet, and then get mad when a screamer is brought in.
These days pronouns are moar important anyway
https://twitter.com/JeremyTate41/status/1450607894660009985
Sixclaws at October 20, 2021 10:22 PM
IME, the dad is only there to make sure the employees don't stop the useless child from ruining things:
https://twitter.com/PandasAndVidya/status/1451123223689584640
I wonder if the folks from Bratfree have seen this video.
Sixclaws at October 21, 2021 6:34 AM
Sixclaws, not yet - apparently. (Bratfree doesn't get nearly as much traffic as some people here assume. Besides, they often prefer to discuss the more egregious cases of parental spoiling/neglect - such as in a recent thread about parents who don't teach their autistic adult children not to molest other adults, because it would be too much worrrrkkkkk - and it would hurt their children's feeeeelings.)
In the meantime:
"There’s No Innocent Way to Ask Your Son or Daughter About Grandkids
Fertility is a deeply private topic, often better left alone. But if aspiring grandparents want to raise the question, it’s best done with sensitivity."
https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/08/the-emotional-landmine-of-asking-about-future-grandkids/567305/
Excerpt:
... “No one but a couple knows what’s happening in their bedroom and in their doctor’s offices,” wrote another member of the Homebodies Facebook group, a young mother from Tel Aviv named Inbal. (She asked to be identified only by her first name; she says she still feels a lot of shame about her infertility.) “So often parents broach the subject and don’t think about the pain that the couple or their child might be experiencing because they’re trying [to have a baby] and it’s not working out.”
It’s to avoid this possibility that Maureen Kelly, the medical director of Society Hill Reproductive Medicine, in Philadelphia, told The New York Times last summer that no one should ask young people whether they plan to have children, when they want them, how many they’ll have, or anything else about baby-making. “This includes mothers, sisters, close friends, acquaintances and other family members,” Kelly said. “This is a highly personal topic and should be considered off limits unless someone brings it up.”
Still, silence can create its own problem...
________________________________________
Of course, the trouble is that in many cultures, too many friends and family would respond to Kelly with "what do you mean, this is none of my business? It's EVERYBODY's business! I wouldn't dream of NOT asking!"
(Bratfree certainly has its share of unfortunate women under a certain age who are surrounded by nosy, rude questioners who won't stop trying to run their lives and get angry when told to back off. Luckily for others, there ARE communities where people have the sense to realize that it's just plain hurtful to ask such questions of couples who may have money or fertility problems - and that it's just plain rude to make ANY type of personal remark.)
Lenona at October 21, 2021 11:19 AM
I do hope the folks at Bratfree find out about this. I love to read their responses.
Sixclaws at October 22, 2021 11:49 AM
I doubt it will come up. I found that the video is from 2019. Plus, I just searched in Bratfree on "sushi." Nothing. (But then, the search function for Amy's blog doesn't work too well, either.)
Anyway, here's a nice long Reddit thread about the video. (It's important to point out that each sushi dish had a plastic cover on it, which you can see if you blow it up - but we're still watching rotten "parenting" at work.)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/comments/e9mrom/shitty_parenting_100/
But yes, the separate story about a server who got fired for reporting a little kid who stole the server's tip sounds suspicious. How many managers would do such a thing?
And elsewhere, I saw a religious blog that condemned people who want childfree restaurants. Some posters even complained bitterly about places that don't offer high chairs.
Trouble is, even when adult diners who can't tolerate childish screaming just politely leave without buying anything (and don't complain on Yelp either), one can't blame the restaurant OWNERS for noticing the people who leave and then deciding that either the rules for parents of small children have to be posted on the wall (as the owner of Chicago's A Taste of Heaven did) - or, if that doesn't work, to ban all kids under five - or, sometimes, 12. How else can they hope to stay open?
And, just a reminder: even parents often want and expect a quiet dining experience, which is why they pay for sitters, go to a place that's SUPPOSED to be quiet, and then get mad when a screamer is brought in.
lenona at October 23, 2021 12:29 PM
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