Medical Pricing Scumbaggery
David Lazarus writes at the LAT about huge, automated markups for healthcare from a leak of hospital records -- Scripps Memorial Hospital in Encinitas:
Ridiculous, seemingly arbitrary price markups are a defining characteristic of the $4-trillion U.S. healthcare system -- and a key reason Americans pay more for treatment than anyone else in the world.But to see price hikes of as much as 675% being imposed in real time, automatically, by a hospital's computer system still takes your breath away.
I got to view this for myself after a former operating-room nurse at Scripps Memorial Hospital in Encinitas shared with me screenshots of the facility's electronic health record system.
The nurse asked that I not use her name because she's now working at a different Southern California medical facility and worries that her job could be endangered.
Her screenshots, taken earlier this year, speak for themselves.
What they show are price hikes ranging from 575% to 675% being automatically generated by the hospital's software.
The eye-popping increases are so routine, apparently, the software even displays the formula it uses to convert reasonable medical costs to billed amounts that are much, much higher.
For example, one screenshot is for sutures -- that is, medical thread, a.k.a. stitches. Scripps' system put the basic "cost per unit" at $19.30.
But the system said the "computed charge per unit" was $149.58. This is how much the patient and his or her insurer would be billed.
The system helpfully included a formula for reaching this amount: "$149.58 = $19.30 + ($19.30 x 675%)."
You read that right. Scripps' automated system took the actual cost of sutures, imposed an apparently preset 675% markup and produced a billed amount that was orders of magnitude higher than the true price.
This is separate from any additional charges for the doctor, anesthesiologist, X-rays or hospital facilities.
Call it institutionalized price gouging. And it's apparently widespread because the same or similar software is used by other hospitals nationwide, including UCLA, and around the world.
The software:
Scripps' software is from a Wisconsin company called Epic, which says its programs have compiled medical records for more than 250 million patients worldwide.Epic's healthcare systems include MyChart, the patient portal used by many hospitals, as well as a wide variety of applications intended for clinical settings.
Epic's clients include UCLA, UC San Diego, UC San Francisco, Stanford University, Johns Hopkins University and Yale University.
"Automate revenue and coding from clinical activity to reduce administrative overhead, avoid missing charges, reduce A/R days and increase total revenue," the company's website says. (A/R is short for accounts receivable -- the time that a payment is outstanding.)
...Scripps' use of Epic's software sheds new light on my last column about the hospital, which involved Scripps billing a patient nearly $80,000 for a procedure that Medicare said should cost less than $6,000 -- a more than 1,200% markup.
The bill included a roughly $77,000 charge for "medical services," which Scripps said covered "technical service charges" such as "the facility, the surgical room, the equipment, the support staff." That is, the routine costs of running a hospital.
A single facility can't be held accountable for the dysfunctional, profit-focused U.S. healthcare system. The issues raised here apply to every medical facility in the country.
But one common aspect of all U.S. hospitals is a desire to keep their pricing under wraps, to prevent patients from knowing how badly they and their insurers are being fleeced.
Maybe now that a smidge of sunlight has been let in, we can have a more honest conversation about fixing things.








"knowing how badly they and their insurers are being fleeced."
But are the insurance really being fleeced? I don't see them going belly up right and left, even though we are in a time where a billion $ was burned in protest and everyone is getting shots paid for by insurance.
If hospitals and medical facilities charged a fair price insurance would pretty much die off, because people wouldn't need it, just save more, HSA or other way of saving.
Insurance may claim the hate it, but it guarantees them customers.
With a 600% markup can offer an insurance company a 300% discount, then the insurance pays 200% leaving you with 100% as your deductible.
Joe J at December 12, 2021 3:30 AM
If you want to fix this you have to pay your own bills. There is no 'insurance' system that will fix this. Only you and everyone else paying their own medical bills at time of service will work.
Ben at December 12, 2021 6:21 AM
575% markups. 675% markups. That seems like an awful lot, and they probably are, but left out of all this is what appropriate markups ought to be in order to cover overhead, depreciation on capital equipment, etc. etc.
And yes, they're expected to make money. Even non-profits are expected to make money.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at December 12, 2021 10:14 AM
Not a surprise. When the public is told THEY will be paid their medical expenses (not a doctor), and that care can be "free", where is the incentive to go look at what costs really are?
Now, you have perhaps hundreds of thousands of people who are convinced they are entitled to "free" care. They have no qualms whatsoever about closing medical facilities... they didn't close anything. It is YOUR fault.
Yours.
The Affordable Care Act Established That You Are A Commodity, and your owners are determined to keep it that way.
Radwaste at December 12, 2021 12:25 PM
By the way -
2010, Augusta, GA: 3-mile ambulance ride to ER = $18 out of pocket
2020, Sacramento, CA: 4-mile ambulance ride to ER = $2122 out of pocket.
No treatment occurred at either ER.
Your fellow citizens suck when they think things can be "free".
Radwaste at December 12, 2021 12:29 PM
I do understand how medical insurance plays into all this, but is there any other business that has markups this high? And if so, it's a wonder that some irate whistleblower didn't call up Antifa and tell them the place was run by Trump supporters.
mpetrie98 at December 12, 2021 8:16 PM
"...but is there any other business that has markups this high?"
Is there any other business which customers think they are entitled to "free" services - an idea generally shared by the entire population because it is somehow possible for righteousness and good intentions to pay the bills?
Go ahead: tell me you want to be turned away from the ER because you don't have money or credit.
Radwaste at December 13, 2021 5:04 AM
"... but is there any other business that has markups this high?" ~Mpetrie
Yes. It is quite common when there are high barriers of entry or low volume. Prior to containerized shipping it was also common for anything that traveled far as theft wiped out most of the goods.
I'm looking at a business where roughly $250 in goods put together right retails around $5k. Quite the step up. But the deal is there are only so many sales out there. It is enough business for one or two guys to make a living but not much more.
It is also common to see things similar to this in electronics. There almost 100% of the cost of manufacturing is in the design phase.
Ben at December 13, 2021 5:15 AM
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