People are so extreme on either side of this issue

Having worked years in geriatric/memory care, including the start of the pandemic when ALF/MC residents were literally held prisoner in their rooms for months on end-i can assure you grandpa would rather have visitors even if it meant death.

The vac does literally nothing except potentially lower your personal risk of severe symptoms. That's it. It doesn't keep you from spreading it.

Which marks it as a failure as a vaccine.

Which should be common sense. That is the covid-19 vaccine. In two weeks it will be 2022. That vaccine is woefully out of date. More so than the years suggest as this virus mutates multiple times a year. Just like how we have failed to eliminate the common cold or the flu so too we cannot eliminate this disease. Falling into fascism will not change that.

Unvaccinated child of elderly parents here...

Not having unvaccinated people in the house is a modern superstitious overreaction unrelated to real risk.

Before covid My parents refused flu vaccines after their friend died from the vaccine itself - a not unknown risk among the frail elderly. So they wore masks when they went out shopping.

Get it? The minority at risk takes the precautions, not the well majority. This is called "sanity".

In the initial stages of the Corona Panic we masked up when visitibg my parents. At this point my sister the physician - after sifting through pages of deliberate disinformation - no longer requires us to do so.

My parenta got the vaccines - because the marginal improved resistance they provide makes sense given their high risk. In contrast, attempts to force Israeli parents to jab their kids have met stiff resistance.

Every medical decision balances risk/cost/benefit. Media panics are designed to replace reasoned discussion with false urgency and false expertise.

Two members of the Senate and one in the House came down with the coof within a day. Tell me: how many people in their immediate and secondary circles do you think are unvaxxed?

Did I hear you say "zero"? omicron seems to be a variant the loves itself some boosted people.

"... we have failed to eliminate the common cold or the flu so too we cannot eliminate this disease. Falling into fascism will not change that."

Fascism was always the goal. The virus was only an excuse.

You know. Amy has been railing against solitary confinement as cruel and unusual punishment for years now.
Wonder what changed her mind? A virus with a 98 percent survival rate that has possibly now mutated into one with a 99 percent plus survival rate?

Even if you are living in a cabin like the unibomber, you are going to come into contact with other people.

Grandpa may be less susceptible to Covid than you think, having had his immune system tested by all sorts of viruses for the last 85 years. Look at the numbers from the Diamond Princess for God sake.

This has been a panic driven to some extent, by world wide innumeracy. The rest of it has been politically generated.
The Covid shots do have significant risks, the vast majority of which will not be known for years. I’m not going to dignify it by calling it a vaccine which it clearly is not. (They don’t call the flu shot a vaccine for a very good reason)

I had the Covid shots. Eventually may take the booster, but not because I think it will prevent Covid. Odds are my natural immunity from the full blown case I suffered is probably sufficient. No, I’m just trying to get thru the goal posts for international travel, before they move again. No small task.

This guy sounds desperate for an audience. Any audience.

I'm in my mid-sixties. I got this, and so did the Mrs., last year. We are of that group that goes, "Huh! A fever. OK." and then it's gone in less than a day.

I get that it's nasty for some and fatal for others.

What I do NOT get is the constant LYING about what the vaccines do. Stimulate the immune system to destroy the virus? NO. IT DOES NOT.

And Federal mandates have no care whatsoever for whether you have fought this off already. GET THE JAB GET THE JAB GET THE JAB GET THE JAB.

It's Twitter medicine.

"Grandpa may be less susceptible to Covid than you think, having had his immune system tested by all sorts of viruses for the last 85 years." ~Isab

It really depends on your individual health. Irrespective of age people in nursing homes are not well. If you are not in a nursing home and don't have a very specific set of comorbidities then age doesn't look like much of a factor.

I have a friend who just turned 50 and almost died of covid. He spent a very long time in the hospital. But he has not taken good care of himself over the years, so this is understandable. When he turned 40 he looked 50. Now that he is 50 he looks 70. Covid or not I fear he doesn't have too many years left. This is just how life goes.

Truly the worst? Hyperbole much? I mean, there are rapists, serial killers, terrorists, people who abuse children and small fluffy animals. Not seeing family is worse than those? That doesn't even get into those cases where family is not 'everything' but rather a source of abuse.

Truly the worst? Hyperbole much? I mean, there are rapists, serial killers, terrorists, people who abuse children and small fluffy animals. Not seeing family is worse than those? That doesn't even get into those cases where family is not 'everything' but rather a source of abuse.

Truly the worst? Hyperbole much? I mean, there are rapists, serial killers, terrorists, people who abuse children and small fluffy animals. Not seeing family is worse than those? That doesn't even get into those cases where family is not 'everything' but rather a source of abuse.

Anon at December 22, 2021 6:34 AM

It is everything, and government does a really shitty job of trying to replace it with the bureaucracy.

You added another "fact" to what he said to favor your own position. Let's pretend that it's an average family and nobody is "immuno-compromised." What he said is perfectly reasonable about dealing with the irrational fear that some people are exhibiting.

Since he did not mention other circumstances, which would make things different, I do not disagree with his tweet.

Now, if someone in the home had other medical issues, then yea it would be reasonable to say don't come over if you might be a carrier.

But, I read his tweet as a response to all the screaming from this feckless, dementia-ridden, piece of shit administration which is doing more to divide us based upon vaccinated/unvaccinated that anything truly helpful at dealing with this virus.