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How The West Was Won
Or will be. First there was this ridiculous pandering from Tony Blair from Foreign Affairs, January/February 2007, on Brussels Journal:

To me, the most remarkable thing about the Koran is how progressive it is. I write with great humility as a member of another faith. As an outsider, the Koran strikes me as a reforming book, trying to return Judaism and Christianity to their origins, much as reformers attempted to do with the Christian church centuries later. The Koran is inclusive. It extols science and knowledge and abhors superstition. It is practical and far ahead of its time in attitudes toward marriage, women, and governance.

Under its guidance, the spread of Islam and its dominance over previously Christian or pagan lands were breathtaking. Over centuries, Islam founded an empire and led the world in discovery, art, and culture. The standard-bearers of tolerance in the early Middle Ages were far more likely to be found in Muslim lands than in Christian ones.

Brussels Journal commenter "American Conservative" doesn't share Blair's delusions:

We have to understand where Tony Blair is coming from.

Here's a guy who is a Premier of a supposedly Western free country/society but in reality, it is a country that is prostituting and enslaving itself to its Muslim population and to the Muslim world.

Tony Blair is proving to his new masters, the Muslims, that he his a loyal slave ready to prostitute himself anytime, anywhere for the sake of Islam.

By the way, the entire West, including America and Canada are becoming slaves and prostitutes to Islam and the Muslims.

Just look around you, check the daily news from around the Western world. Islam has bought the West.

The Muslims are fooling the West. They cry "unfairness," and they whine about their so-called "human rights" and play with and manipulate our laws to their benefit.

The Muslims succeeded with the help of Westerners IDIOTS in invading, dominating, and soon ruling the West.

The West claims to be smart, intelligent. Not so. The Muslims proved that they are smarter. What they couldn't do centuries ago by invading France and the rest of Europe militarily, they are succeeding in doing it these day, peacefully, by:

1- Massive immigration,

2- Breeding like rats,

3- Intimidation and threats of suing, i.e. using our own laws against us.

Thanks to IDIOT Westerners who:

1- Opened their countries' borders wide open to the Muslims,

2- By being coward toward Islam's intimidation,

3- By succumbing to political correctness,

4- By enslaving themselves to the Muslims' oil instead of drilling in their own lands because of so-called "environmentalists," who in my opinion are traitors and should be hanged in a public square.

5- And finally thanks to TRAITORS who are ready to sell themselves and their countries to anybody who pays more. (Amy: huh?)

The West is doomed if it doesn't save itself soon and expel the Muslims out of its land, cut immigration completely, shut the borders, demolish the Mosques and outlaw this devilish cult called "Islam."

If the West will not take the previous measures, then say goodbye to your Western civilization as you know it and get ready to be governed by Islamic Law sooner or later.

The West will get what it deserves.

The problem is, how do we maintain free, democratic societies and still remain physically safe -- and keep our societies from turning into fascist, fundamentalist Muslim states?

Posted by aalkon at December 28, 2006 8:36 AM

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>...demolish the Mosques and outlaw this devilish cult called "Islam."


When Slobbo Milosevic did that it was called genocide and he was quite properly hauled up before the International War Crimes Tribunal.

Posted by: Stu "El Inglés" Harris at December 28, 2006 6:15 AM

Well, I don't want to destroy the foundations of a democratic free society either, but we have a big problem here. WIth apologies to Susan Sontag, we western societies have a huge (and rapidly growing tumor that's going to become terminal for our way of living if we don't do something about it). What's the solution? Denial will not make it go away.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at December 28, 2006 7:19 AM

I don't know what exactly the solution is, but simply standing up and saying "No!" might save us from death by a thousand cuts.

Posted by: Todd Fletcher at December 28, 2006 7:54 AM

These are simple, if politically difficult, things that Western governments can do (businesses are more free to do things like get rid of Muslim swimming hours if they choose):

1. Control borders and immigration. This is a must here in the U.S. and in Europe. It's not racist or hateful to note that governments should have a say in how many people come to their countries.

2. Residents and citizens must conform to established standards. Enact legislation requiring the transaction of all government business in the dominant language; no special considerations on the basis of religion (e.g., one can't wear a burqua when getting a driver's license or I.D. photo) - essentially do things which make it untenable to remain in the culture without meeting basic obligations to operate in the same way as all citizens.

Posted by: justin case at December 28, 2006 10:25 AM

Amy, this rant from "American Conservative" is so appallingly hateful and ignorant I am at a loss as why you would post it. It can be so easily dissected as fear mongering and racist I won't even bother much.

Muslims make up about 3% of Great Britain's population (https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/print/uk.html), 2% of Canada's, and about 3.5% of the US population. Muslims are not "breeding like rats", and the nations mentioned above are far from becoming slaves to the Ayatolahs.

Really Amy, substitute the word "Muslims" with "Jews" and you have a Joseph Goebbels boilerplate speech.

Posted by: eric at December 28, 2006 1:44 PM

Oops- I may have misspoke. According to our own CIA, the Muslim population in America is about 1%. I saw several references to 9 million Muslim Americans, so whichever number that is correct is still in the low single digits.

Protestant 52%, Roman Catholic 24%, Mormon 2%, Jewish 1%, Muslim 1%, other 10%, none 10% (2002 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html#People

Posted by: eric at December 28, 2006 2:23 PM

>...a Joseph Goebbels boilerplate speech.


Indeed. And the other gentleman this anonymous commenter reminds me of is British far-right politician Enoch Powell, who on April 20 1968 made a speech promising "Rivers of Blood" in the streets as a result of the Race Relations Bill, which made it a crime to discriminate racially in housing matters. I can't find the exact figure, but I really believe the proportion of Commonwealth (read "black") citizens at the time was right around that same 3%. Here's part of that speech:

"....the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. .... That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come."

The rivers of blood, of course, never did flow. Like Eric, I think the anti-muslim rant was an atrocious piece of propaganda, and I can't imagine why Amy thought it worth re-posting. Cheers.

Posted by: Stu "El Inglés" Harris at December 28, 2006 3:09 PM

I agree that Blair's speech was 'ridiculous pandering,' and I don't see any untruths in the quote from the commenter 'American Conservative.' What he said was put bluntly but how is he wrong? I notice some who find fault offer no refutation or proof of his being wrong, merely name-calling such as 'hateful' and 'ignorant.' And of course the obligatory 'Nazi' reference: the 'argumentum ad Hitlerum', which, when used in a debate, means the debate is forfeited. Name-calling is no argument.
Name-calling does nothing but attempt to discredit and silence un-PC views.
And if Moslems constitute only 1% or 3% of the population in the UK and U.S. respectively, then that itself says something: they seem to have a huge influence for such a small percentage.
And there really is no analogy between Jews and Moslems, so a comparison to anti-Semitism in order to defend Moslems is ironic in the extreme.

Posted by: Vanishing American at December 28, 2006 11:09 PM

Some say the Islamic societies of today portend the future: ecologically maxed out, almost totally socialistic, coming soon to a country near you.

Islam lends itself to this society endgame: no interest on saved money, thus little or no economic growth; everyone occupied praying to Allah, or tucked away under a burka (figurative or literal).

Posted by: doombuggy at December 29, 2006 5:01 AM

The guy's a bit blunt, but how is it hateful if it's true?

Please point out any falsehoods in the statements above, rather than making silly comments like "replace Muslim with Jew." I'm from German Jews, the ones desperate to assimilate in the country. For quite some time, at Temple Beth El, where my dad's family and my family went in Detroit, they didn't even allow Hebrew to be on art in the temple because it was "too Jewish."

My gripe is with people who want to rejigger our societies to fit their primitive religious practices, and ultimately turn them from free democracies to fascist states running on Sharia law. Oh yeah, and kill all the infidels. Meaning Jews, Christians, and godless harlots like me. Don't you have a problem with that?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at December 29, 2006 9:36 AM

>Please point out any falsehoods in the statements above


I'm going to assume you're serious, although this is such extravagant bullshit that you may be joking, I think.


>[Tony Blair] his [sic] a loyal slave ready to prostitute himself anytime, anywhere for the sake of Islam.

Poppycock.


>check the daily news from around the Western world. Islam has bought the West.

That would be the Chinese, actually.


>....play with and manipulate our laws to their benefit.

In trivial matters such as swimming pool regulations and in certain places, perhaps. In important questions, such as Islamic abuse of women, their repugnant practices are and will remain illegal in both your country and mine. Your federal prisons are so full of Muslims that they are known to be a prime recruiting ground for radical Islam.


>1- Massive immigration,

Not massive, as has been pointed out on this thread already.


>2- Breeding like rats,

That would be the Catholics.


>1- Opened their countries' borders wide open to the Muslims,

No more so than to Buddhists or Australians. There is no special policy in either your country or mine to open borders "wide" to Muslims.


>...demolish the Mosques and outlaw this devilish cult called "Islam."

Criminal incitement to racial hatred.

Posted by: Stu "El Inglés" Harris at December 29, 2006 11:24 AM

Silly comment my butt. Check out this Goebbels speech and see the similarities.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb1.htm

Just as we demonized all Japanese people in WW2, we now demonize the Muslim World for the actions of a very few. What examples are shown of Tony Blair becoming a loyal slave, prostituting himself to the Muslim World? Not one. The Muslims are the Masters? Give me an example of how America and Canada are now submissive to the Muslim world, and not some anecdote about swimming pool hours being set aside.

Islam has bought the West? Where for example? In the world economic system, we send dollars there for their goods (mostly oil), and they return those dollars in the form of purchases and investments. That is capitalism, not a conspiracy. The most noteworthy Arab investment last year was blocked due to national security concerns. But if there is a perceived problem, as this writer claims, then there must be a danger, and this danger comes from the Muslims! Very similar to Goebbles claiming the Jews had dominated and manipulated the World Banking Sysytem. Of course, most of the Jews who died in the ovens and on the trains had nothing to do with banking.

American Conservative writes "the Muslims whine about their so-called "human rights"". "They breed like rats." Two not very subtle sentences that degrade the Muslim to a sub-human level. Why not claim they breed like "bunnies"? Because rats are repulsive and carry disease. They live in squalor and filth, which is what American Conservative wants you to think of Muslims. By the way, from Jewish Media Resources "In Josef Goebbels' propaganda films images of hasidim dissolved into images of running rats." http://www.jewishmediaresources.com/article/80/

Intimidation and threats of suing.. So? Are the Muslims not allowed to utilize the legal system of the country they now live in, because they are Muslims? Where is the intimidation this writer claims is going on? Please give me one example of systemic intimidation by the Muslims in America, Canada or Britain.

Massive immigration? Hardly. In 2005 40,000 Muslims entered the United States, which is about 1 Muslim for every 7,500 current residents. 96,000 became permanent legal residents. From the NY Times ( http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/10/nyregion/10muslims.html?ex=1315540800&en=4e065bac797a38b1&ei=5088&partner=rssn ):

Muslims have been settling in the United States in significant numbers since the mid-1960’s, after immigration quotas that favored Eastern Europeans were lifted. Spacious mosques opened in Chicago, Los Angeles and New York as a new, highly educated Muslim population took hold. Over the next three decades, the story of Muslim migration to the United States was marked by growth and prosperity. A larger percentage of immigrants from Muslim countries have graduate degrees than other American residents, and their average salary is about 20 percent higher, according to census data.

Finally, the perception that America is a slave to Arab/Persian oil has been debunked here repeatedly. 75% of our oil comes from North America. We get more oil from Canada and Mexico than we do from Saudi Arabia, and we get about as much from Venezula as we do from Sauid Arabia. Canada and Mexico are not claimed to be "enslaving" America by American Conservative, just the Muslims.


Posted by: eric (who is not a Jew or Muslim) at December 29, 2006 12:24 PM

Criminal? Race? CRIMINAL?

How do you figure? Review your spreadsheet and get back to us.

We'll wait here. It's not like there are parties this weekend or anything.

Posted by: Crid at December 29, 2006 5:08 PM

Hey! Why won't my response be published? I sent it in hours ago and it has yet to appear!

Posted by: eric at December 29, 2006 6:25 PM

I don't have time to go through all of these at the moment, but here's a review of Mark Steyn's book which outlines the several choices Steyn says we in western civilization have:

http://rantsand.blogspot.com/2006/12/review-america-alone.html

The choices he outlines are:

1) Submit to Islam

2) Destroy Islam

3) Reform Islam

The first two are our choice, the third is theirs - if they have the incentive.

If you think the first two look crappy and the third nearly impossible, I agree. Do you see a fourth? Many European and American intellectuals do. It amounts to "Blame the Jews" and "Blame America".

He makes some suggestions on how to go about encouraging Islam to reform which are worth a look at, but at bottom they amount to:

1) Recognize that our civilization is under attack - and that we could lose

2) Stop committing civilizational suicide by subsidizing our enemies and stand up for ourselves

Your choice?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at December 29, 2006 6:32 PM

As I wrote you in an email, Eric, I have tremendous spam problems, and an MT guy just rejiggered my site. Still, if you put in more than one link in a post, it will probably send you to my junk folder. If that happens, please email me right away and I'll rescue it. This is a free speech site. I don't delete posts, except for those trying to hijack free advertising, those libeling people, and those of people posting in another real person's name (not as a joke; ie, Humphrey Bogart, but as a pretense that they are that person).

Posted by: Amy Alkon at December 29, 2006 6:43 PM

Thanks Amy- you're the best.

Posted by: eric at December 29, 2006 10:15 PM

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