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Some of the Gorists have convinced me that all of this carbon credit stuff is voluntary. I would like to see some legal protections making sure that it stays voluntary. This is a pro-choice issue for me.
BTW, since my carbon footprint is so low I have tons of carbon credits for sale. Need to fire up that hybrid Charger and make some more credits :)
Around here (Lake Tahoe) you see all these bumper stickers that say, "Keep Tahoe Blue," often stuck on the bumper of a Chevy Tahoe. Glad to see you're telling me to do my part.
smurfy
at February 28, 2007 11:48 AM
Unbelievable.
And right here, on AdviceGoddess.com, you can click a button to send me $10.00, and I'll send you a piece of my garbage, which I guarantee to have touched with my own hands.
"Once a particular notion becomes conventional wisdom, evidence and stories confirming that conventional wisdom are easily accepted and published—and reported in the media. Those that contradict the prevailing views have a much harder time getting a hearing."
I disagree with the last statement.
The Bush court promotes views that oppose those of the evil environmentalist scientist cabal.
Intelligent Design is not considered science (not by scientists, anyway), but the state and local governments in Kansas and Pennsylvania, following the example set by Tennessee, have advocated for it, and the Dover School Board received plenty of press exposure.
To be fair to Bailey, I’ve tried to reverse the Heliocentric theory, but no-one will listen to me. Copernicus and Galileo blatantly contradicted Catholic Truth and poisoned the West with their blasphemy. People were so much more impressionable in those days...
Dave
at February 28, 2007 3:27 PM
You know, I actually enjoyed many parts of the Oscars this year, but when Melissa Etheridge was up on stage thanking Al Gore, all I could think was, "You two have *eight* children, numerous houses, and many private jet trips between you. Melissa, you have a career that requires many energy-hogging tour performances; I've seen your live show. I am a childless single woman who lives in a small house, flies commercial occasionally, and drives just one car. What gives *you* the right to be lecturing *me* about my bloody carbon footprint?"
marion
at February 28, 2007 3:56 PM
Exactly. Marion, you still married?
Crid
at February 28, 2007 4:23 PM
The Bush court promotes views that oppose those of the evil environmentalist scientist cabal.
Apparently you have been listening to the Bush impersonators on Air America, rather than the actual Bush administration ethenol and sawgrass freaks.
Might want to check out the envirofreaky stuff going on at that Texas house of his vs. that Gore estate.
If you are interested in some carbon credits, hit me up, I have enough for the rest of your life if you have the cash.
Seems rather consistent of me, I'd say. I'm all for not polluting. I drive a hybrid, try not to use resources unnecessarily (I use reusablebags.com at the grocery store), etc. What I'm not for is hypocrisy. People like Arianna, with vast mansions and private jets preaching to everyone else to conserve. Conservation starts at home. Or should...Mr. Gore.
Let's not forget that Al the environmentalist has four kids...and would appear to have kept reproducing past the earth-friendly limit of two so that he could have a son to carry on the family name, or something. Now, I'd like kids, and am open to having more than two...but I'm also not going around lecturing people about leaving a smaller footprint on the earth.
I use plastic bags at stores...which I take home and re-use as garbage bags in the bathroom, wrapping for rib bones that I'm throwing out, etc. My mother was doing similar things with plastic and paper bags long before anyone was ever talking about recycling. Of course, that's because we're all terribly cheap...about certain things.
Is it possible that George Bush is a secret Green? Evidently his Crawford Winter White House has 25,000 gallons of rainwater storage, gray water collection from sinks and showers for irrigation, passive solar, geothermal heating and cooling. “By marketplace standards, the house is startlingly small,” says David Heymann, the architect of the 4,000-square-foot home. "Clients of similar ilk are building 16-to-20,000-square-foot houses."
Well, the thing is...going green in the way that W. did with his home saves money. Finding a way to use the sun's energy for you rather than against you is a GREAT way to reduce your energy costs in Texas. Warren Brown, the auto columnist at the Washington Post, has pointed out many times that Europe has no CAFE laws regulating the fuel efficiency of cars...instead, because of the high price of gas, people themselves generally choose to buy small cars. There are obviously some issues with jacking up the price of gas when you live in a large country with a spread-out population where everything you use, pretty much, has to travel long distances in 18-wheelers, but what about scrapping the CAFE laws and instead imposing a sliding tax/fee on purchasing a large vehicle and increasing the price of inspections for such vehicles? I'm not saying that's the very best idea ever, but I think it takes into account organic human motivations rather than trying to change people's motivations.
My feelings on global warming and the like are probably closer to the Reason crowd's than to Gore's - I think the planet's weather is changing, but I'm not convinced that humans are the sole, or even the primary cause. Every time Gore and his crowd either try to convince me with pictures or just 100 years of data or try to tell me what to do, my back goes up. But I myself don't like waste because, among other things, waste tends to cost me money, and I am a shameless capitalist. Find ways that will save me money in the short or the long run - and I'm perfectly willing to admit that I don't like yellow air or dirty water, and would rather spend to prevent them then to clean them up - and I'll support you. The problem with the current environmental movement, IMHO, is that its rank and file tend to be people who consider the market to be an enemy, and its top spokespeople tend to be people who don't need to worry about money, and who are unconsciously looking for a religion that doesn't come with the traditional baggage. Environmentalism is that "religion." It doesn't require anything tedious such as working in soup kitchens or restricting sex, but it still lets you feel morally superior, join into a larger whole, and take things on faith. I guess it's superior to Scientology, but at least Tom Cruise has never lectured me at the Oscars about how I should embrace Xenu (isn't there some Scientology figure called Xenu, or did I get that from a sci-fi book?).
marion
at March 1, 2007 6:53 AM
Sing, sister. Sing it loud, so I can hear you; make it easy to be near you; all these things you do endear... (etc.)
I wish I had Al Gore's life for today. Im stuck doing wire tickets.
PurplePen
at March 1, 2007 10:28 AM
Will Bunch is simply repeating the Gore Defense Leag talking points.
If Gore was interested in "doing all he can do now", then he'd have a significantly smaller primary abode, no second and third houses, no entourage (hybrid or not), and he'd fly commercial instead of private.
And don't give me any shit about security. Ex-presidents don't deserve or rate any additional security they aren't willing to buy. They have no more value to our society than any other citizen once they are out of power.
I'm one of the ones that the Gorriors would want hung for eco-treason, and I'm greener than Gore. I drive a small 30 mpg car, I use fluorescent lights, I keep my thermostat at 69 degrees in the winter and 72 in the summer.
And I use less than 12,000 kwh/yr for me AND my business.
Gore, Edwards, and the whole lot of those eco-evangelists can shove their preaching where the sun don't shine. I'm not making my life worse so they can feel better about themselves.
brian
at March 1, 2007 3:13 PM
"If Gore was interested in "doing all he can do now", then he'd have a significantly smaller primary abode, no second and third houses, no entourage (hybrid or not), and he'd fly commercial instead of private."
Yep. The Gores don't *need* a mansion. They *want* a mansion. Which I generally would have no problem with...if they weren't lecturing me about my wasteful ways.
You know, there's a perfectly good explanation...
Jim Treacher at February 28, 2007 8:38 AM
I voted for the snacks.
Amy Alkon at February 28, 2007 8:53 AM
Some of the Gorists have convinced me that all of this carbon credit stuff is voluntary. I would like to see some legal protections making sure that it stays voluntary. This is a pro-choice issue for me.
BTW, since my carbon footprint is so low I have tons of carbon credits for sale. Need to fire up that hybrid Charger and make some more credits :)
Guy Montag at February 28, 2007 9:35 AM
Personally, I think the poll is missing an obvious item: He has an indoor hydroponics setup for growing pot.
André-Tascha at February 28, 2007 9:38 AM
Well, that would offset the carbon thingie slightly, I think!
Amy Alkon at February 28, 2007 9:52 AM
At the very least it would explain some of his behavior and opinions...
André-Tascha at February 28, 2007 10:29 AM
Here's a balanced look at the global warming question:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/34939.html
Amy Alkon at February 28, 2007 10:32 AM
AMY! Stop giving them 'balanced' information! I have carbon credits to sell!
Guy Montag at February 28, 2007 11:21 AM
You know. I just couldn't resist, so I did a search.
Did you know that you can actually purchased carbon credits on eBay?
http://search.ebay.com/carbon-credits_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8QQsubmitsearchZSearch
André-Tascha at February 28, 2007 11:37 AM
Around here (Lake Tahoe) you see all these bumper stickers that say, "Keep Tahoe Blue," often stuck on the bumper of a Chevy Tahoe. Glad to see you're telling me to do my part.
smurfy at February 28, 2007 11:48 AM
Unbelievable.
And right here, on AdviceGoddess.com, you can click a button to send me $10.00, and I'll send you a piece of my garbage, which I guarantee to have touched with my own hands.
Amy Alkon at February 28, 2007 11:49 AM
Oh Damn! Sign me up! Where is that button Amy? I cannot find it! I gotta have it! Gee Whiz!
- chuckling -
André-Tascha at February 28, 2007 11:51 AM
André-Tascha, we should be sending YOU $10.
And the case against carbon trading is here:
http://risingtide.org.uk/resources/factsheets/carbontrading
Amy Alkon at February 28, 2007 11:55 AM
Hey Amy! You are right! Cough it up!
André-Tascha at February 28, 2007 11:59 AM
Thank you Ron Bailey!
"Once a particular notion becomes conventional wisdom, evidence and stories confirming that conventional wisdom are easily accepted and published—and reported in the media. Those that contradict the prevailing views have a much harder time getting a hearing."
I disagree with the last statement.
The Bush court promotes views that oppose those of the evil environmentalist scientist cabal.
Intelligent Design is not considered science (not by scientists, anyway), but the state and local governments in Kansas and Pennsylvania, following the example set by Tennessee, have advocated for it, and the Dover School Board received plenty of press exposure.
To be fair to Bailey, I’ve tried to reverse the Heliocentric theory, but no-one will listen to me. Copernicus and Galileo blatantly contradicted Catholic Truth and poisoned the West with their blasphemy. People were so much more impressionable in those days...
Dave at February 28, 2007 3:27 PM
You know, I actually enjoyed many parts of the Oscars this year, but when Melissa Etheridge was up on stage thanking Al Gore, all I could think was, "You two have *eight* children, numerous houses, and many private jet trips between you. Melissa, you have a career that requires many energy-hogging tour performances; I've seen your live show. I am a childless single woman who lives in a small house, flies commercial occasionally, and drives just one car. What gives *you* the right to be lecturing *me* about my bloody carbon footprint?"
marion at February 28, 2007 3:56 PM
Exactly. Marion, you still married?
Crid at February 28, 2007 4:23 PM
The Bush court promotes views that oppose those of the evil environmentalist scientist cabal.
Apparently you have been listening to the Bush impersonators on Air America, rather than the actual Bush administration ethenol and sawgrass freaks.
Might want to check out the envirofreaky stuff going on at that Texas house of his vs. that Gore estate.
If you are interested in some carbon credits, hit me up, I have enough for the rest of your life if you have the cash.
Guy Montag at February 28, 2007 8:00 PM
Amy, this is beneath you.
moe99 at February 28, 2007 9:33 PM
Beneath me in a bad way?
Seems rather consistent of me, I'd say. I'm all for not polluting. I drive a hybrid, try not to use resources unnecessarily (I use reusablebags.com at the grocery store), etc. What I'm not for is hypocrisy. People like Arianna, with vast mansions and private jets preaching to everyone else to conserve. Conservation starts at home. Or should...Mr. Gore.
Amy Alkon at February 28, 2007 9:43 PM
Let's not forget that Al the environmentalist has four kids...and would appear to have kept reproducing past the earth-friendly limit of two so that he could have a son to carry on the family name, or something. Now, I'd like kids, and am open to having more than two...but I'm also not going around lecturing people about leaving a smaller footprint on the earth.
I use plastic bags at stores...which I take home and re-use as garbage bags in the bathroom, wrapping for rib bones that I'm throwing out, etc. My mother was doing similar things with plastic and paper bags long before anyone was ever talking about recycling. Of course, that's because we're all terribly cheap...about certain things.
Crid, never been married. Too snarky.
marion at February 28, 2007 10:17 PM
You had me at hello.
Crid at March 1, 2007 12:47 AM
And, here we have the eco-Bush:
http://edc.uoregon.edu/node/572
Amy Alkon at March 1, 2007 1:09 AM
Well, the thing is...going green in the way that W. did with his home saves money. Finding a way to use the sun's energy for you rather than against you is a GREAT way to reduce your energy costs in Texas. Warren Brown, the auto columnist at the Washington Post, has pointed out many times that Europe has no CAFE laws regulating the fuel efficiency of cars...instead, because of the high price of gas, people themselves generally choose to buy small cars. There are obviously some issues with jacking up the price of gas when you live in a large country with a spread-out population where everything you use, pretty much, has to travel long distances in 18-wheelers, but what about scrapping the CAFE laws and instead imposing a sliding tax/fee on purchasing a large vehicle and increasing the price of inspections for such vehicles? I'm not saying that's the very best idea ever, but I think it takes into account organic human motivations rather than trying to change people's motivations.
My feelings on global warming and the like are probably closer to the Reason crowd's than to Gore's - I think the planet's weather is changing, but I'm not convinced that humans are the sole, or even the primary cause. Every time Gore and his crowd either try to convince me with pictures or just 100 years of data or try to tell me what to do, my back goes up. But I myself don't like waste because, among other things, waste tends to cost me money, and I am a shameless capitalist. Find ways that will save me money in the short or the long run - and I'm perfectly willing to admit that I don't like yellow air or dirty water, and would rather spend to prevent them then to clean them up - and I'll support you. The problem with the current environmental movement, IMHO, is that its rank and file tend to be people who consider the market to be an enemy, and its top spokespeople tend to be people who don't need to worry about money, and who are unconsciously looking for a religion that doesn't come with the traditional baggage. Environmentalism is that "religion." It doesn't require anything tedious such as working in soup kitchens or restricting sex, but it still lets you feel morally superior, join into a larger whole, and take things on faith. I guess it's superior to Scientology, but at least Tom Cruise has never lectured me at the Oscars about how I should embrace Xenu (isn't there some Scientology figure called Xenu, or did I get that from a sci-fi book?).
marion at March 1, 2007 6:53 AM
Sing, sister. Sing it loud, so I can hear you; make it easy to be near you; all these things you do endear... (etc.)
Crid at March 1, 2007 7:03 AM
http://www.attytood.com/2007/02/breaking_news_al_gore_uses_ele_1.html
Will Bunch says it better than I could.
moe99 at March 1, 2007 10:02 AM
I wish I had Al Gore's life for today. Im stuck doing wire tickets.
PurplePen at March 1, 2007 10:28 AM
Will Bunch is simply repeating the Gore Defense Leag talking points.
If Gore was interested in "doing all he can do now", then he'd have a significantly smaller primary abode, no second and third houses, no entourage (hybrid or not), and he'd fly commercial instead of private.
And don't give me any shit about security. Ex-presidents don't deserve or rate any additional security they aren't willing to buy. They have no more value to our society than any other citizen once they are out of power.
I'm one of the ones that the Gorriors would want hung for eco-treason, and I'm greener than Gore. I drive a small 30 mpg car, I use fluorescent lights, I keep my thermostat at 69 degrees in the winter and 72 in the summer.
And I use less than 12,000 kwh/yr for me AND my business.
Gore, Edwards, and the whole lot of those eco-evangelists can shove their preaching where the sun don't shine. I'm not making my life worse so they can feel better about themselves.
brian at March 1, 2007 3:13 PM
"If Gore was interested in "doing all he can do now", then he'd have a significantly smaller primary abode, no second and third houses, no entourage (hybrid or not), and he'd fly commercial instead of private."
Yep. The Gores don't *need* a mansion. They *want* a mansion. Which I generally would have no problem with...if they weren't lecturing me about my wasteful ways.
marion at March 1, 2007 7:36 PM
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