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Travis Bickle Meets L. Ron Hubbard
No time like Saturday, at the New York City subway at Union Square, for a little E-metering and Dianetics.

Posted by aalkon at March 12, 2007 1:16 PM


I'll mail a Snickers bar to anyone who can write a convincing list of three admirable personal qualities found in the typical Scientologist. You must defend your list to the other blog commenters, though anecdotal evidence will be accepted.

It's on!

1. ___________

2. ___________

3. ___________

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 5:38 AM

More rules!

One winner, decision final, void-prohibby, taxes sole responsibility, etc

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 5:39 AM

Here's a quick question for you. If somebody says something about "engrams" to you, in passing, in conversation -- is it likely they're a Scientologist?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at March 12, 2007 6:05 AM


Posted by: deja pseu at March 12, 2007 6:17 AM

Hmmm...Give your brain to Hubbard's ghost...give your brain to Jesus's ghost...what's the difference? A cult is a cult.

The thing that I like about Scientologists, it's far easier to offend them than christians. Makes my job easier, in a sense.

Sure, I'm moving from Michigan to L.A. on Friday. I guess I'll finally be in a "Target Rich Environment".

Posted by: RedPretzel at March 12, 2007 6:18 AM

Agreed, RedPretzel.

All religions are self help fads in their own particular right. The whole 'kingdom of heaven' idea was quite attractive to the first century A.D., because 3/4 of the known world was in slavery.

The great benefit for skeptics is that the Church of Scientology (other new religious movements) was created during a contemporary period with various outlets of information contradicting Hubbard's claims.

It is quite similar with the Mormons. High ranking members of the LDS will spend large sums of money to buy up any 'frontier' letters that mention Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or first editions of the Book of Mormon. You cannot have other versions of the LDS floating around and competing with the boys from Salt Lake City.

Posted by: Joe at March 12, 2007 6:45 AM

> it's far easier to offend them
> than christians.

If you know a shortcut, you should share

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 6:56 AM


Mention 2 words. Free Zone. They are the underground reform Dianetics/CoS movement. The 'apostasy' of the Church of Scientology. There are numerous examples to easily offend Scientologists. Free Zone makes them paranoid and unstable. Are there Free Zoners within CoS?

Posted by: Joe at March 12, 2007 7:04 AM

Are freezoners tax-exempt like Scientologists?

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 7:13 AM

1. ___________

2. ___________

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Posted by: justin case at March 12, 2007 7:28 AM

Don't know, Crid. There is a website and message boards for them. Personally, I think FZ was an invention by disgruntled former CoS members to mess with the paranoid leadership.

There is an excellent website on the exposure of CoS. Google 'Operation Clambake'. Videos, memos, an online version of a critical biography of L. Ron Hubbard that wasn't published in the USA. Secret church papers on OT (Operating Thetan) levels. It is a treasure trove of information.

Posted by: Joe at March 12, 2007 7:37 AM

If you go to that website, will they track you down and sue you? I hear they like doing that.

Posted by: Chris at March 12, 2007 7:44 AM

Been to the site many times. Haven't seen a summons yet or any 'dead agenting' experiences.

I like the site, because it was started by Andreas Heldal-Lund. Who was not a member of CoS. Many sites that are critical to cults are usually done by former members. All they do is whine and complain about the abuses. Heldal-Lund just provides all the information about the CoS and allows the individual decide for themselves.

Posted by: Joe at March 12, 2007 8:05 AM

I don't understand why anyone would bother? They aren't like the Hare Krishnas, Jehovah's Witnesses or Sokagakkai (spelling might be off, but a fanatical Buddhist cult in Japan). If they don't knock on my door, or get in my face at the airport, I don't care what they do. They aren't hurting me.

Posted by: MarkD at March 12, 2007 8:50 AM

You're paying their taxes, babe, without so much as a good Catholic hospital to show for it.

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 8:53 AM

It amazes me that CoS got their tax-exempt status back. Does any other "religion" (I don't count Scientology as a religion, because as far as I know it was created by uber-hack Hubbard (has there ever been a worse writer? And it's not like there isn't plenty of hack sci-fi lit to go around) as a money making enterprise) explicitly charge big bucks for people to progress toward enlightenment? Sure, there are plenty of things to dislike about Christian churches, but they've also founded tons of top-notch schools, hospitals, and the like. My mom is a social worker, and has Catholic family services on speed dial - they often get the job done when nobody else can. What have Scientologists ever done for people? Hell, even the Krishnas used to serve free lunches on my old college campus.

Posted by: justin case at March 12, 2007 9:20 AM

And the Krishnas, no matter how sexless, were capable of warmth. That's not an issues for Xenu and his peeps.

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 9:38 AM

1. They're, umm, imaginative. Yeah, yeah, that's it, great imaginations.

2. They're security conscious. I know, I lived in Hemet and had to pass by the camera-ridden enclave many times.

3. They're gullib..uh, naive. You might not think that's an admirable personal quality, but someday one of us might want to sell one of them something at a ridiculously high price. It's a good quality then, right?

Posted by: Kimberly at March 12, 2007 10:44 AM

More rules: All entries must be submitted to this comment stack by 6pm EST/9pm PST on March 11, 2007, as must the opinions of other blog readers. Don't come whining about the time change: This is a businesslike sweepstakes. Winner must provide USPS address. All prize(s) will be awarded and delivered by July, 2009. Amy Alkon, her vendors, coders, pets and publishers are in no way responsible for this contest.

At this hour, it's between Kimberly and Justin. Kimberly's entry include thoughtful reasoning and powerful supportive rhetoric. OTOH, Justin brings a more phenomenological approach, one that speaks to the core meaning of the issue itself, specifically: These people got NOTHING going on, and we can't pretend they do.

So what say YOU???

Per Wikipedia- "Snickers ingredients list (U.S. version): milk chocolate (sugar, cocoa butter, chocolate, lactose, skim milk, milkfat, soy lecithin, artificial flavor), peanuts, corn syrup, sugar, skim milk, butter, milkfat, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, lactose, salt, egg whites, artificial flavor.[1]"

Let's DO this, people!!

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 11:02 AM

Aw shit, I got the time zones backwards. All right, the period for submissions and votes has been extended until dawn in West Los Angeles on Tuesday, March 12, 2007. All other rules still apply.

Posted by: Crid at March 12, 2007 11:05 AM

Justin asks, "has there ever been a worse writer?"

You must be kidding! Google "Eye of Argon".

Posted by: Ron at March 12, 2007 10:23 PM

Fuggit, Kimberly takes it alL! Claim your prize by sending an email with your mailing address to xenusnickers at

Sorry Justin, and better luck next time!

Posted by: Crid at March 13, 2007 4:38 AM

Fricken hell that was a short contest. I really wanted to enter cuz I'm hankerin' for a Snickers and didn't feel like drivin' to 7/11. Well played, Kimberly.

Posted by: GirlAtheist at March 13, 2007 5:30 AM

GA, all that's left are these two Reece's cups, the old-style normal ones. not the crunchy ones. Send an address and they're yours.

Posted by: Crid at March 13, 2007 5:54 AM

Hat's off to you Kimberly! It's only fair, since you did the heavy lifting of actually thinking about what these people have to offer.

Posted by: justin case at March 13, 2007 7:26 AM

I could only come up with that Scientologists are great at staring contests. Ever seen any pictures of the die hard non celebrity members? Almost every picture they are wildly staring into the cameras. Especially, the Sea Org members.

Posted by: Joe at March 13, 2007 8:55 AM

The old-style Reece's are the best! Unfortunately I have gestational diabetes, so please donate my chocolate (mmm, chocolate) to a charity for ex-Scientologists.

Posted by: Kimberly at March 13, 2007 11:21 AM

The champion defaults, Justin. Let me know what you wanna do. Kimberly, I'll be on the looking for mildly-sweetened alternatives.

I think the best thing you can say about Scientologists is that they're loyal. But this isn't always a virtue: It almost put Harriet Myers on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Crid at March 13, 2007 11:28 AM

So Scientology is being infilitrated by the black bloc?

Posted by: Pat Patterson at March 14, 2007 1:29 AM

What's a black bloc?

Posted by: Crid at March 14, 2007 6:21 AM

As I like to call them, anarchists, or libertarians with driver's licenses. Shaved heads, tight black jeans, black t-shirts, Levi jackets with either a patch from The Cramps, The Stray Cats or Mikhail Bakunin. Ok, I don't really think there is an embroidered patch with Bakunin on it.

Posted by: Pat Patterson at March 14, 2007 9:48 PM

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