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Why Islam Creates Murderers, Foments Hate, And Keeps Women Down
Meet Don bin Quixote -- tilting at windmills while the rest of the world moves forward. Yet another fantastic article explaining Islam at by "Omyrus." I'll excerpt a few pieces below, but the whole piece is worth reading:

Islam was immensely successful in the first few centuries of its birth. It spread like wildfire from Spain to Pakistan. The success was due to the fact that Islam is a warrior religion - the last of its kind today. But the qualities and ethos that led to success are also some of the reasons for its current failure. Today Muslims are among the poorest and most backward people in the world.

Lets take a look at some Islamic beliefs that make no sense unless you realise that Islam was designed to support a war machine. Firstly there is the emphasis of heavenly rewards for its fallen warriors. Just as the ferocious Vikings believed that brave fallen warriors go to Valhalla, Muslims believe that those who are killed in a Holy War (Jihad) go to heaven where they will be rewarded with 72 virgins.

For the conquerors who survived the war, they will get booty and again girls. So either way they win. It is useful for a commander to have brave warriors who do not fear death. Besides this, Muslims are also discouraged from fraternizing with non-Muslims. The Koran tells Muslims not to take Christians and Jews as friends and also says that Idolaters are filthy. Contempt for non-Muslims lead to hate. Hate is a useful emotion to cultivate in your warriors. Compassion and empathy for the “other” do not make willing warriors.

...Next, Islam is highly ritualistic and many rituals and practices appear to a modern person to be pointless. For example, out of the five pillars of Islam, four of them are ritualistic and in themselves do not do any material good. Praying five times a day, declaring Mohammed to be a prophet, going to Mecca to walk round and round the Black Stone and fasting during Ramadan do not by themselves make this a happier, kinder and more prosperous world. The only one of the five pillars that does some good to mankind is the giving of the zakat - alms for the poor. However, this alms giving must be only for Muslims or it does not count. Therefore it benefits only a fifth of mankind.

Would it not be better for the Grand Designer of Islam (whoever that might be) to declare the five pillars to contain prohibitions against murder, theft, adultery and encouragements to perform kindness and assistance to the unfortunate people of the world? Besides these five pillars, Islam has countless other rituals and practices. These include the growing of beards, which hand to use to wash your private parts, which shoe to put on first, what types of body hair you are allowed to remove and so on. Some of these practices and rituals appear meaningless to me but on further examination there is a purpose to them.

The trick is to stop thinking that Islam, like other religions, was designed primarily to uplift humanity from barbarism by making us kinder, more forgiving and so on. It was designed instead to support a war machine. Islamic rituals and practices are designed at least partly to induce discipline and to unite Islam’s early followers who were drawn from many tribes. Lets take a look at the requirement to pray five times a day, facing Mecca.

By praying five times a day, Muslims are reminded to submit to God 5 times a day. By facing Mecca, they are reminded of Arabia and to subtly get Muslims to identify themselves with Arabia. That is also why they insist that you cannot understand the Koran fully unless you know Arabic. Prayers are to be made in Arabic. That is why there are so many Arab wannabes among non-Arab Muslims. This is also why to this day, Muslims are a potential fifth column in western countries. Their loyalty is often to their Ummah and not to the state they live in. Loyalty to their nation state is weak.

...While Islam can create disciplined soldiers, it cannot create good scientists.

As explained earlier, Islam’s ritualistic practices inculcate blind obedience among its followers and not questioning inquisitive minds. The way the Koran is taught in traditional Madrassahs is by memorization. This leaves no room for asking questions. The student is not encouraged to ask questions but only receives wisdom and learning from the teacher. Asking questions risks the student of being accused of blasphemy or unbelief.

The learning process is receptive and not interactive. Great scientists and philosophers do not come from such a passive environment. Human society progresses only if you have people willing to challenge orthodoxy. It should be noted that some of the greatest thinkers, scientists, philosophers, physicians and poets in Islam’s golden age were accused of blasphemy or apostasy. Bashshar Ibn Burd, Avicenna, Averroes, Al-Razi and Al-Ma’arri were most likely apostates.

...Islam is a warrior’s creed that served its early followers well. From impoverished desert tribes, they rose to forge an empire in a short time that stretched from Spain to India. The ethos it engendered – brotherhood for believers, contempt and hatred for non-believers, belief in heavenly rewards for fallen warriors, a high fertility rate (which requires the subordination of women), blind obedience – created formidable warriors.

But these same qualities are handicaps for Muslims in the age of the microchip. Today they lead to poverty, belligerency, war and defeat. Many Muslims look back with fondness to their days of glory and try to recover their former days by using the old methods. That is why there is today a rising tide of Islamic fundamentalism across the Muslim world. They are bewildered at their weakness and look for conspiracy theories. Muslims think their failure is due to some Jewish or American plot not realizing that failure comes from within themselves. They are out of touch with reality.

...Muslims are now like Don Quixote tilting at windmills in a world they no longer understand.

via Brussels Journal

Posted by aalkon at May 6, 2007 12:45 PM


a little learning is a dangerous thing.

Posted by: nur at May 6, 2007 5:28 AM


Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 6:39 AM

To my fellow being(AMY ALKON) whom we share the some air that we breathe and eat the some common food and live together in the some universe, you still have a chance to join the world of those who are civilized.
Any civilized human being will not talk authoritatively on any system or anything where he or she is not knowledgeable. Not at anytime Islam has ever been introduced by worriers. Islam has always tried to be on defensive. Remember it is the most peaceful religion and tolerant system you can come across.
It is a system which was for then and for now and for the future like a Turkish woman intellectual said, “Islam and modernity can co-exist, but the key is secularism and democracy
On saying that we- Muslims think our failure is due to some Jewish or American plot, I may not agree with you. I don’t think Islam can be threatened by any group of people or nation. The onus is on us to practice our religion the way it was prescribed to us and any eventuality we live it to God. True we should realize that some failure comes from within ourselves for some of us have succumbed in to world weakness and no long practice the Islam that is written in the Quoran and collection of Hadith(sayings of Muhammad-PBUH) But you should know that Islam was spread using the most peaceful methods. History holds that no system that can be spread by force and it prevails
Be actual otherwise you will loose respect even from your own.
I pray that God restores some realism in you.

Posted by: Kirarira Issa-256 71 2 802048 at May 6, 2007 7:16 AM

you still have a chance to join the world of those who are civilized.

That would be the religion that kills women, homosexuals, and those who disagree with it? That taxes non-Muslims (dhimmis) as a form of humiliation for not believing in Islam? The religion that has produced no mankind-benefiting discoveries and really nothing of value for centuries -- unless you count teenagers who blow themselves up in the name of perpetuating the religion?

Regarding the post above, it's from The Faith Freedom site -- a site written by people quite knowledgeable on the subject -- ex-Muslims:

Faith Freedom International is a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. Its goals are to (a) unmask Islam and show that it is an imperialistic ideology akin to Nazism but disguised as religion and (b) to help Muslims leave it, end this culture of hate caused by their "us" vs. "them" ethos and embrace the human race in amity. We strive for the unity of Mankind through the elimination of Islam, the most insidious doctrine of hate. Islam can't be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can't be molded, but it can be smashed. It is rigid but brittle. That is why Muslims do not tolerate criticism of it. To eradicate Islam, all we have to do is tell the truth. It's that simple. The truth about Islam is out. It's all here in this site. Now it is up to you to spread it. With truth, the decent Muslims will leave Islam and with each Muslim that leaves, we gain a new soldier in our fight against terrorism. We are growing exponentially. The days of Islam are numbered and world peace is around the corner. Many of us will see that day. We might have to go through very tough times meanwhile. The storm is approaching.

What is there above, specifically, that the writer of the piece I linked to got wrong about Islam?

Furthermore, what evidence do you have that "god" even exists? Only a primitive and an intellectual automaton believes in something there is no evidence for. And I say that of any god belief, including your own primitive belief in god, and the ensuing waste of your life worshipping that god. Would you worship a big green bunny in the sky? You have as much evidence for the existence of that bunny as you do for your god.

Come on, your belief isn't based in evidence, but in marching along, unthinking (see above), as a good little soldier, believing what you're told, and never expecting any proof that what you're told is actually the truth.

Islam is in no way modern, and it's a religion that promotes the violent death of those who don't believe in it. Thus, it's evil, backward, and disgusting. Is it any wonder nothing has come out of the Muslim world but hate and death for some centuries?

Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 7:38 AM

Another important bit from Faith Freedom:


Is it right to be disrespectful towards any religion that we don’t believe in and spit on the image of their founders?

It is not right to be disrespectful towards people. But beliefs are not people. There is a difference between being disrespectful and slandering a person and being truthful and stating the facts that can offend someone who hold lies dear.

Cursing, insulting and being rude reveals our own lack of education, and character. Muhammad himself used to invoke the curse of Allah on his enemies, sometimes for 30 consecutive days. He even cursed his own uncle and the dead people. We don’t have to follow his example. We can do better.

People have to be respected, beliefs don't have to. Beliefs have to be scrutinized and if found wanting, they should be abandoned.

Some beliefs are evil. It is absurd to respect them just because someone might get offended. If people are offended by the truth, let them be offended. Truth must be said whether the lovers of lies like it or not.

The problem is, Islam being the barbaric, anti-enlightenment religion that it is -- freedom of speech is dealt with with violence. You didn't see any Jewish orthodontists throwing burning trash cans into Arab embassies when the Iranian anti-Semitic cartoon contest entries were published, now did you?

And as Wafa Sultan notes, you don't see Jews blowing up German restaurants.

I don't like any god belief -- it's silly and backward to believe without evidence. While other religions (fundamentalist Christianity, for example) threaten our freedoms in a lesser way, Islam is the only religion in which large number of its followers seek the violent death of nonbelievers. Sick, sick.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 7:45 AM

No wonder all are coming from those who have run away from Islam, a religion of all times.
If you want you can keep communicating with me and will show the contribution of Islam in all subject that matter on earth .you still have a chance to come to the truth and live your life.
256 71 2 802048

Posted by: issa kirarira at May 6, 2007 8:07 AM

Tell that to the 12 percent of Canadian Muslims who, in a poll, said they were for blowing up the Canadian parliament and murdering the prime minister in the name of Islam. That's 84,000 people.

Again, where's the evidence that leads you to believe in god? You're one of far too many sheep with arms, legs, and an ability to reason that you do not use. That's primitive and tragic.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 8:28 AM

Are you Issa Kirarira of the MPRTO?

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 8:30 AM

Islam is not barbaric, it is not anti-enlightenment religion it gives freedom of speech and non violent. Even Jewish orthodontists are good but not all. We see them killing innocent children in the name of defending themselves. You need to differentiate between religion and tribes and nations.Islam is a religion of all races it is a universal and that is why it is not named after any name like Christianity ,Jews Hinduism and others.
Your right when you say you don’t want to believe without evidence and it is our duty as Muslims to help you and you see light; otherwise we are trouble if we let you to go a way without some evidence.
It is not even good for other religions (fundamentalist Christianity, for example) to threaten your freedoms in a lesser way, Islam should also not have large number of its followers who seek the violent death of nonbelievers. Those are not Muslims .They are hiding in Islam to gain their own interest.
Am happy your concerned human being who seem to be not informed but with the will for making the world a better place to live in
Get in touch. And we look for the truth together
256 71 2 802048

Posted by: issa kirarira at May 6, 2007 8:33 AM

Saying that Islam allows freedom of speech doesn't make it so. You have to give examples. I'm not saying all of any type of people are good or bad, but the fact remains, you see Jews inventing technology to make life better on the planet, and advancing medicine and rational thought -- where are the Muslims doing this (save the apostates whose lives are hell due to fatwas put out on them)?

Have you ever questioned whether it makes sense to believe in god?

Your position is one of nonthink and a childish defense, with no substantiating evidence, to the claims made by me and by the writer above.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 8:37 AM

Sure am from Media for peace and religious tolerance(MPRTO)
How did you get that?

Posted by: issa kirarira at May 6, 2007 8:38 AM

I've heard of you and your group's activism. How has the opposition of the DRB in Uganda going? My information is a bit outdated. Personally, I haven' been in the area for some time and busy elsewhere.

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 8:43 AM

Give me time I will make some research and show you how Islam alongside other world religion have contributed greatly to science on the universe

Posted by: issa kirarira at May 6, 2007 8:46 AM

How has the DRB going in Uganda?

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 8:49 AM

Not "have contributed" centuries ago, but have contributed recently, vis a vis the vast contributions of those who do not have such a belief system rooted in nonthink -- see the full text of the link I posted for the debunking of the myths on Islam's contribution to science. It is inherent to the nonthink/no questions permitted nature of Islam that it is a ground science cannot take root in.

Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 8:49 AM

Send me your email will keep you latest with all including Domestic bill

Posted by: issa kirarira at May 6, 2007 8:51 AM

What was the MPRTO's view, again? Was it that marriage and divorce should only be under the guidelines of the Qur'an? Now that is not very secular, is it? Is it democratic?

You do not need my email address, Issa. Was it implemented or not? A simple yes or no would suffice.

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 8:59 AM

> For example, out of the five
> pillars of Islam, four of
> them are ritualistic and in
> themselves do not do any
> material good.

A similar thought is on Reynolds this morning:

> Al-Qa’eda’s failure to infiltrate
> or penetrate Western structures
> has been complete. [...] There is
> a reason for this. Islam, in its
> more fundamentalist form, doesn’t
> work. Serious, committed
> Islamists are most unlikely to
> succeed within any structures but
> their own.

It's why this thing is ours to lose. Those people aren't cranking out MBA's over there. Wal-mart has many problems, but we're told that by insisting that its vendors connect readily to their inventory control systems, they did more for the microcomputer revolution than Bill Gates and Steve Jobs put together. Wal-mart came from Arkansas, and not from Riyadh.

> If you want you can keep
> communicating with me

Buttercup, modernity and atheism are going to be communicating with you whether "you want" it or not.

Posted by: Crid at May 6, 2007 9:08 AM

It is why 'friends' of the West in the M.E. will be the main targets of A.Q.

I'm still waiting for an answer on the DRB. Yes or no?

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 9:22 AM

In other news from non-Arab islam...

They've finally finished reconstruction of the Santa Monica Blvd corridor between the 405 and Beverly Hills! I'm not sure it's any faster or wider, but it looks cleaner. It's important to remember that there are a lot of successful Iranian expats in BH. One of them is a clothes designer called Amir who frequently puts up advertising billboards in this zone-- Stylish little numbers with lots of AppleGoogle whitespace, often featuring his own sweet mug.

Turns out that every year he also puts up a billboard to celebrate the Iranian New Year. This is the one from last year:

This years' is much the same, only it has his overdressed, repellent wife in it too. But consider the pomposity of that uniform! And take a moment to reflect on the color palette of the photograph, how it betrays the decade of its Kodak pedigree (circa '57, I'm guessing). Does any artifact better express the stupidity that brought us to this moment?

Wanna know why where at war in Iraq today, and may be at war in Iran tomorrow? Because in the last century, Western powers put one, two, almost three generations of grim, torpid little men like Pahlavi in clothes like those.

Anyway, when driving by the billboard, I like to roll back the moonroof and give it the high-flyin', breezy finger. You should try this! It's on the westbound side of SM Blvd near Veteran.

Posted by: Crid at May 6, 2007 9:37 AM


It's circa '67.

Foreign policy is based on trial and error, with far too many errors. What would have been the choices besides Mossadeq or the Shah? There was a unknown third choice and they won in 1979.

Personally, I would have sided with Mossadeq, because he wasn't a stooge for the Kremlin. He just ticked off British oil interests. We have to thank the Dulles Brothers and Kermit Roosevelt for that blunder.

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 9:47 AM

> It's circa '67.

Sorry... I shoulda realized that the best emulsions weren't distributed to secondary markets immediately... The shallow, reddish blacks and the dull, uniform fleshtones make it look like a Christmas snapshot from Sioux City during Eisenhower's second term.

> We have to thank the
> Dulles Brothers


Posted by: Crid at May 6, 2007 10:03 AM

Funny thing, the Shah more identified with pre-Islamic Iran of the Zoroastrian past. When the Ayatollah took over there was a purge of all things Zoroastrian from Iran. Laws against naming your kids Xerxes, Darius and Cyrus. Famous tombs and historic sites were demolished in the name of religious purity. There is an underground resurgence in interest of Iran's pre-Islamic past found among the various student groups.

One of the reason there is a huge national opposition for the Islamists in Egypt is their hostility towards the various pre-Islamic sites such as the Sphinx, the Valley of the Kings and the Pyramids. Remember what the Taliban did to the Buddha statues in Afghanistan? Those non Islamic symbols are seen as a corrupting influence to the spiritually-irrational found among the rigid orthodox believers. It goes back to my past comments on the purity tests that the fundamentalists ascribe to on a daily basis.

By the way, Issa Kirarira, if you are still reading the posts? Your silence is my answer to the question. Thank you.

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 10:29 AM

I'll never believe we had no better options. Mosaddeq may not have been the capitalist of our dreams, but it feels like every major political problem threatening us today has its roots in a reflexive, cowardly fear of commies which at the root is ironically zero-sum.

Posted by: Crid at May 6, 2007 10:36 AM

Yeah, her silence is deafening.
One question Issa, if you are still around. If, perchance you decided to renounce your faith and leave Islam. Should you be slaughtered by a true believer?

Just asking

Posted by: jon at May 6, 2007 4:15 PM

That's why there was no substance to Issa's replies -- no, "Here's where you're wrong and here's the link to prove it." It's all talk. "Islam's the 'religion of peace'" (and stay tuned while we slit Daniel Pearl's throat).

Posted by: Amy Alkon at May 6, 2007 5:44 PM

Well, I've had my 'run ins' with the group MPRTO overseas. They would provide support for clerics in opposition of a Domestic Relations Bill* for Ugandan women. Play the kind, the gentle and misunderstood Muslim in the West and do another thing in the developing world. Hold seminars and interfaith conferences in the West on our misunderstanding of Islam and interfere with real secular progress overseas. A real piece of work.

Jon, she is a he.

***The Domestic Relations Bill (DRB) is a composite of all domestic related laws, namely marriage, divorce, separation, inheritance and property rights. Especially, the inclusion of the Land Act, so women could legally inherit land and property.

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 7:09 PM

Want to make a muslim angry?

Ask them this question:

Name one thing that the Islamic world has created that has improved humanity in the last 600 years.

The answer is "nothing".

Because that's the last time they were ascendant. From the 1400s, they have been in continuous decline. And they've been losing to the Europeans. And it pisses them off.

If there hadn't been all that oil underneath the middle east, Islam would have died out after World War I.

Issa - you have drunk the kool-aid. From the inside, you are incapable of seeing that Islam is a backward-thinking gutter religion.

Posted by: brian at May 6, 2007 7:14 PM

The thing that first bugged me about this religion was that the dude had like 50 billion chicks he boned and Muslim women today are defending him as a holy man. So he got to fuck alot of chicks that had no say? Wow, he was really holy to control his urges like that.

Posted by: PurplePen at May 6, 2007 7:30 PM

Purp, the thing that bugs me about the religion today is the way the women, hundreds of millions of them, continue to have their contributions to civilization foreclosed just as surely as they have their hair, necks and faces covered.

A few years ago I saw a picture of an Indonesian police woman. She was as athletic and shapely as any western pop star, with a very attractive face and warm eyes. There was no denying her sexual presence, but she had a very brief scarf looped in her hair at the rear of her crown. And I thought, well, OK. It was actually a kind of thoughtful gesture. No one could argue that she was womanly and attractive, but nor was there any doubt that she could kick ass if her constabulary responsibilities demanded it. So the sheer scarf seemed almost like a courtesy, as if she was conceding that men were always going to have sexual feelings about her, no matter what was going on in the actual public sphere.

And I mocked the French for their rules against scarves and coverings, thinking them an intolerant response to religion.

Recent weeks have changed my mind. Of course no woman should be compelled to walk around with her tits out and her hair in whatever beehive style Jennifer Anniston prefers this year, but neither should women be permitted to mask their identities in a free and modern society, which demands knowing who you are in order to present its opportunities (library privileges, voting) and courtesies (a smile from the grocer whose been sorting your tomatoes for the last ten years).

These women, across so many cultures, don't just happen to all be submissive wimps. There's something about telling someone their life will never amount to much, and then grouping them with so many others, that effectively shuts down human spirits for the lifetime. See also, South Central Los Angeles.

France may yet offer global leadership in the 21st century though laïcité... Which I'm going to have to learn to pronounce and spell without looking.

Also, the Hitchens book may present other ideas, I just started it.

Posted by: Crid at May 6, 2007 8:16 PM

Exactly, Crid. By the way, welcome to the fold. Have you read Middlemarch? I heard Hitch uses plenty of references to Eliot's novel in God Is Not Great.

The MPRTO is a group that uses the legal process of achieving a rigid literal interpretation of Qur'an and daily life. The proponents of DRB met daily protests from the Muslim groups in Kampala during 2002-2003. Once, I saw his name on the screen... a flood of memories came back. Even some of his quotes in the local newspapers such as: "How can they (Ugandan govt.) be surprised from opposition from Muslims? It offends our faith and our duty to practice Islam through the Qur'an." Does this sound familiar? The Danish cartoon incident. Even though the MPRTO is still a peaceful activist group. But if you want to engage in the battle for ideas expect opposition.

The opposition to the DRB is just a prime example of the fear of women achieving equal status among men. Uganda isn't a Muslim dominated nation. They are only 16% of the population. The rest are Christians (Mainly Roman Catholic and Anglican mixed with local folk religions) The driving force is a fear of a loss of status among Muslim men that they believe is spiritually in born. (1,400 years)

This activism is already reaching the USA. I've read articles of interfaith activism between Muslim groups and evangelical Christians to jointly challenge local laws that relate to the separation of church and state. This is not an odd phenomenon, the UN Conference on Status of Women was met by vocal opposition from well known American evangelicals alongside high ranking clerics within the Middle East during the 1990s.
Muslims are only 5% of the population in the US. It is only natural to have a temporary alliance with a stronger and more organized religious-political movement.

Posted by: Joe at May 6, 2007 9:48 PM

First of all, above, it shoulda been who's and not whose. Fucking typo-tudinal mistakes....

Secondly, the Catholics came to mind today. In the Dobbs thing, Hitch said "Religion ends and philosophy begins, just as alchemy ends and chemistry begins and astrology ends and astronomy begins." Consider how the Vatican (and our own Cardinal Mahony) responded to the recent buggering crises: They basically tried to bury them in paperwork. The government does that all the time, as does private enterprise. Hitchens needs another clause to acknowledge that the Church gave birth to technocracy for us as well; perfection of the form is pursued in these other sectors even as great strides continue in the Holy See.

You're correct to take note of the alliance between fucktard Christians and dickwit Muslims. But on the other hand, we'd be happy to whip their collective ass in a single venue, and if they want to carpool in Mazda minivan on the way to the arena, it's no skin off my nose... The important thing is that they bring it.

Remember a few weeks ago when people were complaining about that TV preacher who secretly blows guys, and how deadly dangerous his inter-church association was?

Well turns out, you know, not really... It's a pretty tepid little office. Those alliances by their very nature suck the energy (and money) from participants. Muslim fundamentalists who master the Sheraton-conference politicking and email shenanigans and interfaith bargaining well enough to kick the ball forward will quickly see better futures for themselves at the Recording Industry Association of America, General Motors Corporation's Financial Services Division, and the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing. Because while working in the offices of these other agencies, you can get laid... Maybe not well, but tail's tail. Just ask the Catholics.

The theme of Amy's post holds: Once you're actually good for something, you're no longer a dangerous Muslim. And they have no use for you.

It's a slender silver lining, but we take 'em as we find 'em.

Posted by: Crid at May 6, 2007 10:27 PM

Dear All,
About 30 yrs ago I had a conversation with a muslim colleague on the nature and purpose of Islam because I was intriqued by the plight of a
muslim woman who had fallen in love with an "infidel".
Neither he(the muslim colleague) or she were your average muslim fuckwits who adorned themselves with fancy dress and were unable to read or write in english(the land of their birth).They were serious professional people.
I mentioned to him that the attitude of her parents(they had physically threatened her)was ridiculous backward and criminal.
Astonishingly he supported her parents saying they had every right to behave in such a way .
I responded that if I were her I would tell my parents to "sod off" until they returned to the 20th century and that freedom of choice and speech
were what underpinned a twentieth century democracy democracy.(and I'd told her so and she agreed.)
His reply was that it was dangerous for me to render such advise and told me not to interfere for my own good.
At this point I became outraged and pointed out that I could say do and act as I chose(within the law)and that no backward religious culture could prevent me.
He said islam is not backward but abeautiful religion that I in my ignorance did not understand
and that providing I afforded the time he would enlighten me as to its wonders.
The next day I spoke to another muslim(a drinking chum)the meat of my conversation.
He burst out laughing but added that violence in defense of "muslim holy writ"was not uncommon and I should take this matter seriously nad keep my "gob"shut.(gob is english slang for mouth).
He then went on to give me a potted explanation of
Islam(begging me not to repeat or associate anything he said with him).
It went something like this:
Mohammed was an illiterate 7th century murdering bandit who had had the audacity to invent his own religion in order to further his own lust for power(and sex).
He married a nine year old and was reponsible for
much murder and mayhem all substantiated by communication with Allah and his emmissary the angel Gabriel who had apparently 700 wings.
Islam(meaning submission)'s purpose was to conquer
the whole world(by whatever means)until everyone
recited"there is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet.(five times a day).
He also told me that muslims were not to befriend
infidels except to convert them(by threat if necessary).
He also told me that muslim clerics were by and large raving mad and in particular anybody who was a member of the muslim brotherhood was both mad and dangerous.
He told me that being born into a muslim home was hell but only understood this when he reached his teens, and the older he got the madder it seemed.
His intentions upon gaining high professional status was to emigrate to the U.S.A.marry a non
muslim and have nothing whatsoever to do with islamic "shit" anymore;but would never announce his apostacy to his parents unless they themselves had divined the truth.
These events took place in 1971.

Posted by: hellosnackbar at May 8, 2007 6:21 AM

It is my belief that religion is the greatest evil in the world today with Islam at the top of the list, But dont worry you poor brain washed muslims you are rapidly being joined by another group of brain washed idiots, scientologists are coming to a village near you, to be a member just send lots of money shave your head and offer your body to the leader to use as he will, i am sure he will say AH MEN....

Posted by: willy at May 21, 2007 3:38 AM

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