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The Last Thing Any Palestinian Should Want Is A Palestinian State
They could live in peace and prosper -- if they were peaceful Israeli citizens. Arabs in Israel who don't want to kill Israelis as their life goal do quite well...just as Mexican-Americans do here in America. Muslim states, on the other hand, are not very nice places to live -- as those in the middle of the Hamas/Fatah conflict may finally be beginning to realize.

Hey, primitives! Lay down your control-top panti-bombs, do something productive, and join the Israeli's really all it'll take for you to have a better life. I mean, if you actually want a better life, instead of continuing to live in welfare squalor in a corrupt terrorist-birthing ghetto.

For comparison, Efraim Karsh writes in a 2002 Commentary piece of how it was for Arabs in Israel after the 1967 war:

...Astounding social and economic progress (was) made by the Palestinian Arabs under Israeli "oppression." At the inception of the occupation, conditions in the territories were quite dire. Life expectancy was low; malnutrition, infectious diseases, and child mortality were rife; and the level of education was very poor. Prior to the 1967 war, fewer than 60 percent of all male adults had been employed, with unemployment among refugees running as high as 83 percent. Within a brief period after the war, Israeli occupation had led to dramatic improvements in general well-being, placing the population of the territories ahead of most of their Arab neighbors.

In the economic sphere, most of this progress was the result of access to the far larger and more advanced Israeli economy: the number of Palestinians working in Israel rose from zero in 1967 to 66,000 in 1975 and 109,000 by 1986, accounting for 35 percent of the employed population of the West Bank and 45 percent in Gaza. Close to 2,000 industrial plants, employing almost half of the work force, were established in the territories under Israeli rule.

During the 1970's, the West Bank and Gaza constituted the fourth fastest-growing economy in the world -- ahead of such "wonders" as Singapore, Hong Kong, and Korea, and substantially ahead of Israel itself. Although GNP per capita grew somewhat more slowly, the rate was still high by international standards, with per-capita GNP expanding tenfold between 1968 and 1991 from $165 to $1,715 (compared with Jordan's $1,050, Egypt's $600, Turkey's $1,630, and Tunisia's $1,440). By 1999, Palestinian per-capita income was nearly double Syria's, more than four times Yemen's, and 10 percent higher than Jordan's (one of the better off Arab states). Only the oil-rich Gulf states and Lebanon were more affluent.

Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

No less remarkable were advances in the Palestinians' standard of living. By 1986, 92.8 percent of the population in the West Bank and Gaza had electricity around the clock, as compared to 20.5 percent in 1967; 85 percent had running water in dwellings, as compared to 16 percent in 1967; 83.5 percent had electric or gas ranges for cooking, as compared to 4 percent in 1967; and so on for refrigerators, televisions, and cars.

But, writes P. David Hornik at all started to unravel—fast—as Israel, under the euphoric glow of the Oslo “peace process,” withdrew from Gaza and the Jericho area of the West Bank in May 1994, turning them over to Yasser Arafat’s rule. Gaza was especially hard hit.

As a dramatic spike in terrorism led Israel to impose repeated closures, unemployment in Gaza rose as high as 50 percent and by 1996 economic output declined about one-third. From that year to 1999 the situation improved under Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu as terror reverted to pre-Oslo levels and the Israeli closures decreased.

But Netanyahu lost to Ehud Barak in the 1999 election, and the rest is well-known recent history: Barak’s rejected offer of statehood to Arafat in summer 2000, the outbreak that fall of the Al-Aqsa Intifada and Gaza’s (and the West Bank’s) conversion into a launching pad for an all-out terror war necessitating Israeli closures and other measures, Gaza’s severance from Israel under the 2005 disengagement plan, Hamas’s win in the 2006 election and takeover of Gaza in June 2007—leaving Gaza in a state of violent squalor comparable only to Mogadishu and with its residents apparently longing for the “occupation” once seen as the epitome of evil.

Posted by aalkon at June 24, 2007 11:56 AM


Personally, I can't see Israel annexing the P.A. territories. The whole zero sum game with high Muslim birthrates in a democracy is a toxic mix for Israel.

The Gaza strip should be cleared out. The G-8 nations compensate the individual Gaza Strip Palestinians and aid for re-construction for the West Bank. All the Jewish settlements in the West Bank should be cleared out too. Palestinians give up the right to return and Israel gives up the West Bank to Jordan. Let King Abdullah's security forces clean up the Islamists terror groups and the corrupt Al-Fatah.

It’s just an idea similar to the US/Israeli historian Michael Oren’s views.

Posted by: Joe at June 24, 2007 9:50 AM

"Personally, I can't see Israel annexing the P.A. territories. The whole zero sum game with high Muslim birthrates in a democracy is a toxic mix for Israel." ---- There is no other solution and someday soon the Arabs will leave Israel with no other choice - if it wants to survive. Here are some of the obvious things that happen after Israel annexes the territories: 1) Many Arabs will leave. And even more Arabs will not want to "return." The number that don't like Jews or want to live among us is substantial, probably a majority. 2) The Arabs who choose to remain in Judea & Samaria will no longer be a threat to Israel. Israel will decide who is allowed to have weapons, access to explosives and who is acting in a treasonous manner, etc. The only "authority" will be Israeli law, the law of the land. 3) Through the Knesset, Jewish Israelis will decide the resident status of Arabs living in Judea and Samaria. It could be something less than citizenship - the sort of Green Card arrangement we have here. But whatever it is, it will not be apartheid because West Bank Arabs will be able to travel the country freely, fully participate in the Israeli economy, have the protection of its legal system, benefits of it social system, freedom to worship and otherwise enjoy a much better life in a Jewish state than they could find in any Arab country.

Of course, many other details and legal issues will have to be decided, and nothing is perfect. But a condition of living in a Jewish state for all non-Jews will be that decisions affecting defense, national well-being and maintaining the Jewish character of the state will be in Jewish hands eternally.

Posted by: Dan Friedman at June 26, 2007 8:11 AM

I'm sorry dear, were you talking about the palistinians or anyone on the welfare dole?

Posted by: Cerberus at June 26, 2007 10:47 AM

Are there any numbers available wrt immigration into Israel from Gaza and the West Bank? I'd be curious about trends, both long-term, and in the last year or so. I'm wondering if, in fact, we're seeing just this type of migration amongst the people who are smart enough to get out. Leaving, of course, the reprobates who thrive off of the chaos that currently exists.

Posted by: NukemHill at June 26, 2007 12:32 PM

Interesting that other Arab states are not stepping in to provide refuge to these Gaza residents. Perhaps the truth of the matter is that they are about as welcome in other Arab states as gypsies in Europe. But these same Arab states have no problem with using them as pawns in their destruction of israel ambitions.
It appears the Palestinians had too much of a good thing.

Posted by: Salty Dog at July 7, 2007 7:13 PM

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