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Nicole Winfield writes for the AP that The Pope just came out with a statement about non-Catholic denominations of Christianity; essentially, "My Imaginary Friend's better than your Imaginary Friend, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah!"

Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

In the latest document — formulated as five questions and answers — the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

The guy's just a walking ad for ecumenicism, isn't he?

Posted by aalkon at July 11, 2007 8:39 AM

Comments

Posted by: Crid at July 11, 2007 1:46 AM

Not only is the pope wrong, but the Catholic religion isn't even Christian! The doctrines of the Catholic church oppose those of the bible. Just one issue: Jesus said that "unless a man is born again, he will NOT see the Kingdom of God." --John 3:2,3. The Bible is emphatic that we are saved through faith in Jesus Christ. The Catholic church declares that people are saved by the sacraments of the Catholic church. And they do not teach that a person must be born again. These are the core doctrines of Christianity, yet are ignored by the Catholic religion. If any religious organization could save anyone, then Jesus need not have died on the cross.

Far from being Christian, Catholicism is pure idolatry! Jesus said: "Follow me." We are not told to follow a religion, church, pope, minister or anyone else. If anyone is in danger of hell, it is the Catholics who blindly follow their beloved pope and the teachings and traditions of their church.

Posted by: John at July 11, 2007 4:36 AM

I should have added that you ought to check on the website, on the page about Catholicism. It's quite enlightening!

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzevk9mh/enddaysdeliverance/

Posted by: John at July 11, 2007 4:38 AM

A friend of mine once said, "Religion is for people who are afraid of going to hell; spirituality is for people who have already been there."

Posted by: Flynne at July 11, 2007 7:09 AM

Any of the Catholic clergy who engages in bogus interdenominational dialogues in the spirit of ecumenism is wasting his time, confusing the faithful and committing acts of apostasy. The other denominations have their agenda and isn’t Catholicism. So if they think they are true churches then nothing the Pope has to say should concern them.

Posted by: cybro at July 11, 2007 8:12 AM

Apparently, Benedict developed his religious philosophies during his Hitler youth days.

Posted by: Roger at July 11, 2007 8:30 AM

For those who don't know, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which Ratzinger headed earlier in his career) is better known by its previous name: the Office of the Inquisition.

The imaginary friend thumb wrestling seems ridiculous until you realize these were the same folks who burnt people at the stake.

Posted by: Nonbeliever at July 11, 2007 9:02 AM

For those who don't know, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (which Ratzinger headed earlier in his career) is better known by its previous name: the Office of the Inquisition.

Hey, I was going to say that. ;-) (You beat me to it, Nonbeliever.) They just changed the name and stopped burning people, but they never really questioned their own beliefs, did they?

Posted by: Rainer at July 11, 2007 10:38 AM

That's like holding me responsible for the slavery of black people in America, just becaues I'm white and live here now.

Posted by: Crid at July 11, 2007 10:47 AM

Crid, you mean you're NOT?!? Damn.

Posted by: Flynne at July 11, 2007 11:50 AM

That's like holding me responsible for the slavery of black people in America, just becaues I'm white and live here now.

Not quite, Crid. If the U.S. had only stopped taking black people from Africa as slaves without ever really abolishing slavery, your government would probably receive the same amount of criticism as the Vatican has gotten over the years, and rightfully so.

Just for the record: No one is holding Benedict responsible for the atrocities of the inquisition.

But.

It took his organisation a couple of hundred years to mumble a few - very few - excuses for the many victims. (John Paul II did that in 2000, but mentioned the witches only indirectly.) The inquisition has never been officially terminated, though. They just changed the name and gradually stopped burning the witches. Not because they had been wrong doing so, of course. (Their boss is infallible, after all.) Let's just say the custom became unfashionable during the age of enlightenment.

When John Paul only hinted at the fact that it was never okay to burn the witches in the first place, he received a lot of criticism from his own ranks.

By the way: According to the German Wikipedia, the only official statement against the burning of witches from any church (worldwide) was published by the Protestant Lutheran Church in Bavaria in 1997. But since they're protestants, they aren't a real church. The pope said so last week, and his boss is infallible.

Let's just wait another couple of hundred years...

Posted by: Rainer at July 12, 2007 2:13 AM

Correction, wrong sequence: Of course they first stopped burning the the witches. Then they changed the name on the building. Not the other way around. Sorry about that.

Must have been due to an "out of coffee exception" on my behalf.

Posted by: Rainer, quickly getting another cup of coffee at July 12, 2007 2:22 AM

If the U.S. had only stopped taking black people from Africa as slaves without ever really abolishing slavery, your government would probably receive the same amount of criticism as the Vatican has gotten over the years, and rightfully so.


Why doesn't anyone ever place any of the blame on the tribal chieftans who were the ones who sold their own people into slavery? Oh wait, my bad, that wouldn't be politcally correct, would it?

Posted by: Flynne at July 12, 2007 9:35 AM

I didn't know that this had been a common procedure. Just out of curiosity: Do you have a rough estimate of the percentage of slaves that were sold into slavery by their own chieftains? Or by chieftains of an enemy tribe?

And political correctness is precisely not my cup of tea; you may bitchslap me the very minute I start showing symptoms of political correctness...

Posted by: Rainer at July 12, 2007 10:11 AM

No, sorry, I don't, but if you read 'Roots' or saw the series, back in the 70s, the implication was that the slave traders (who weren't all American, by the way, there were a lot of Eurpoeans who were slave traders) worked out deals with most of the tribal chieftans for slaves. Actually, I believe that there is documentation to back this up but can't get my hands on it right now.
And thank you for not being politically correct, I have a serious problem with it as well.

Posted by: Flynne at July 12, 2007 10:24 AM

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