What A Difference A Face-To-Face Makes
My friend Nancy Rommelmann is an extraordinary person; at once exceptionally kind, exceptionally fair, and nobody's fool. She tries to give her friend Michael Totten the benefit of the doubt on a post about Islam on her blog, but I suspect she probably continues to see things more the way I do. An excerpt from her post:
Last night, we had Michael Totten over for wine; this, before he leaves again for Falludjah. He just received in the mail his copy of Infidel; I told him, I was mailing a check, to help with Ali's security. I also cited a part of the book, wherein she writes that, immediately post 9/11, she was thrown into a morass of confusion, seeing that the words of Mohammed Atta and Osama bin Laden came directly from the Quran. More, I said my mother and I had argued last summer over whether the religion of Islam is one of peace (her position), or intolerance and violence, particularly against women (mine). I told Michael, Ali's position seems to echo mine (or, more accurately, mine hers), and she should know, having lived it.Michael pressed his lips together, and then said, "I halfway agree." When I asked why, he said, "I've spent the better part of four years in the Middle East, around Muslims, and do you know how many have shown me, as an American, any sort of anger or intolerance?"
How many?
"None. And how many have I felt threatened by?"
How many?
"Two, and they were members of Hezbollah, who detained me probably only because the photographer I was working with was Jewish."
Which is no excuse...
"No, but what I'm saying is, thousands of people in four years, and no threat, or violence, ever."
An experience to add to the mix.
Well, here are my thoughts on it, as I posted on Nancy's blog:
Regarding Michael Totten's experience, I sometimes get very nasty e-mails from readers; some of which I publish on my blog. Why? Because I suspect almost none of these people would ever have the guts to approach me face-to-face and say what they say in an e-mail.Muslim thought depersonalizes the rest of us. Jews are apes and pigs. The rest of us (well, I'm post-Jewish, but probably remain ape/pig, in Koranic terms) are still infidels, whom the Koran calls upon Muslims to convert or kill.
Christianity and Judaism don't have such sweet, gentle texts either, but you don't hear of rabbis or ministers getting up in front of their sheeple and telling them to go kill the guy next door who worships the other way.
Not all imams do that, but far too many do. Any, quite frankly, is far too many. And many, as there actually are, is far, far too many.







It seems there are a couple of things Mr. Totten does not understand. One's anecdotal experience is not the whole story. Some people will smile to your face, then stab you in the back.
doombuggy at October 19, 2007 2:37 AM
But then most people just smile to your face and leave it at that. Yeah, Mr. Totten's blog is always an interesting read. I suspect his first-hand experience is more of a corrective to cybermalaise than not.
Paul Hrissikopoulos at October 19, 2007 5:18 AM
I like the quote, "The plural of anecdote is not evidence."
Amy Alkon at October 19, 2007 6:22 AM
Michael Totten is a non jewish male. While not exactly on the "favorite things" lists of most Muslims, he also isn't on the "To kill immediately" list either. He might feel a little differently about the religion and its peacefulness if he had a different perspective. (I bet his Jewish photographer does.) Just because someone is nice to one person, doesn't mean that they are automatically nice to everyone else.
Shinobi at October 19, 2007 6:33 AM
And one difference between those cultures and ours --(which may (ironically) have first been described to me by Mr. Totten-- is that in the Middle East, people try to manipulate your perceptions in private conversation but express their real intentions in public. Over here we do it the other way around.
You shouldn't expect anger or intolerance from a Middle Easterner at a private lunch. But that night at the committee meeting, speak thoughtfully.
Crid at October 19, 2007 7:10 AM
Also, everything we read about Totten makes him seem like a notably engaging guy in interpersonal contacts. (I didn't mean that to come off as backhandedly clever. He seems like a sincerely nice guy who's handshake, in the western sense, is golden. I'm not sure how that currency applies elsewhere)
Crid at October 19, 2007 7:13 AM
Man, you've ruined Lawrence of Arabia for me forever.
Paul Hrissikopoulos at October 19, 2007 8:02 AM
About three weeks ago, I was talking to a friend of mine who lives in Miami. He asked me how home schooling my son was going. I told him it was great and that today the kids had done some research on the internet about the hanging of Saddam. They were interested in the trial and read about it. One of the kids found the actual video of the hanging. This prompted them to wonder about Islam. We ended up having a stimulating discussion about the religion. The kids thought the 72 virgins thing was hilarious; but then the conversation turned more serious when we talked about indoctrination. Anyway, I told my friend that the kids started researching Islam and commented how scary and threatening it was. That led to a discussion on the war, among other things. Anyway, so my friend says something like, "Why didn't you talk about the good parts of Islam? It is the religion of peace." We ended up having a lengthy discussion and, ultimately, he was appalled about my views and said that one of the reasons he loved me so much was because of my good nature, but now I was turning into a judgmental hypocrite, and he was sad for me. Honestly, I really didn't do a good job arguing my point, mainly, because it was my first time sharing these views aloud. I ended up emailing him some links. He hasn't called me or emailed me since. I'm not exactly sure why I am sharing this, but it does amaze me how people react to the knowledge about Islam. Many people who are Muslim have told me that they have no knowledge of the Koran’s dictate to kill non-believers.
kg at October 19, 2007 8:53 AM
Regarding Muslims who say they have no knowledge of the Koran's evil statements, it seems a degree, on a much lower scale, of House Amish (who worship in homes and are more "traditionalist") versus Church Amish (considered "progressives"), or Christmas Christians (who don't go to church, or really participate in the religion, but have a tree and give Christmas presents).
Amy Alkon at October 19, 2007 9:17 AM
Here's another problem. (And I am still learning). The lady who said she used to be a practicing Muslim, but now came back to her Christian roots blah, blah, blah....but had never heard of dictates to kill....blah, blah, blah.... and, after I showed her (online) actual text from the Koran, she still said something like, "No, that's not what real Muslims are all about." You can look at Christianity and think about what's-that-dude's-name who bombed all the abortion clinics for Jesus and say, "That's not a real Christian." So, my point is (oh my god I know I sound like a real moron...but I am really interested in knowing more about this)that it is hard to discuss the problem when most people won't or can't recognize the potential threat. It's like people don't believe or can't conceptualize America being at risk.
kg at October 19, 2007 9:47 AM
I thought Dubyu was protectin' y'all!
Chrissy at October 19, 2007 10:35 AM
You can look at Christianity and think about what's-that-dude's-name who bombed all the abortion clinics for Jesus and say, "That's not a real Christian.
The difference: In the past couple of decades, there have been maybe five Christian nutbags running around killing abortion doctors. They're lone wolves. Pastors are not standing up in front of their congregations inciting murder of the infidel.
Amy Alkon at October 19, 2007 10:39 AM
> Nancy Rommelmann is an extraordinary person; at once exceptionally kind, exceptionally fair, and nobody's fool.
You forgot "...and gorgeous".
Stu "El Inglés" Harris at October 19, 2007 11:39 AM
You're right!
Amy Alkon at October 19, 2007 11:49 AM
What a fine, insightful post, Amy.
Curtis at October 19, 2007 2:04 PM
Thanks, Curtis.
Amy Alkon at October 19, 2007 2:27 PM
Horse's mouth. Go read throught the treads. Or better yet register and converse. The "General" and "Current events" forums are the most interesting.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/index.php
winston at October 19, 2007 6:19 PM
Paul - They say that movie is very long
Crid at October 19, 2007 8:16 PM
It has an intermission! And an overture! Both of which died about the same time as the movie palace. Fantastic movie, though.
Paul Hrissikopoulos at October 20, 2007 7:16 AM
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