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The Islamic Version Of Tolerance
Raping women is tolerated, for example. Tolerated? Well, it certainly isn't punished. Via

Question: Why are rape victims punished by Islamic courts as adulterers?

Summary Answer:
Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

The Qur'an:
Sura 2:282 - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Sura (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..."

Sura (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

From the Hadith:
Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.

Additional Notes:
Rape is virtually impossible to prove under Islamic law (Sharia) and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

Isn't that special.

I'm wondering how the Muslim ladies manage that. I'm reminded of my crack, yesterday, to some whiner on the Paris Métro. It was very crowded, and after I got on, a bunch of people packed themselves in behind me.

The Muslim ladies in the folding seats to my left failed to get up (as you're supposed to when the train is packed) and I was crushed into the guy behind me, who got all complain'y. (Loving how you pick up on French-think with French-speak), I blurted out, "Excusez-moi, monsieur, il n'est pas possible disparu. Or whatever the word for 'to disappear' is in French."

Translation: It is not possible to disappear. Or whatever the word for 'to disappear' is in French." I'd accidentally used the past tense for "disappear" -- couldn't remember the infinitive...and yes, I added, loud and proud, in English, "Or whatever the word for 'to disappear' is in French.

When you come here as a tourist once or twice, you have a certain timidity, I think, even if you speak French very well, which I do not. When you come here often, and especially if you're me, you're less of a pushover, and you speak out about stuff that tweaks you -- and aren't too worried that your French might suck while doing it. The French, I think, respect you for this, and find it kind of cute.

Anyway, whinyman got the message. And I enjoyed that -- being at the point where I can sent a message to a bratty guy on a train in France. And the kid in front of me with the luggage turned around and grinned at me, as did a bunch of other people.

But, back to a more serious subject -- Muslim women who are victims of rape. If you are one of them, I'm guessing you have two choices: 1. Disappear during the act, like a bunny in a magician's hat. (Very practical!) Or, 2. Kill yourself afterward -- if your relatives or other Muslim men don't murder you first.

Great! Problem solved!

Anybody got a speed-dating issue?

Posted by aalkon at February 20, 2008 9:42 AM


I would imagine the crime statistics show very few rapes in Islamic countries. This demonstrates Islam's superiority over the decadent west!

Posted by: Norman at February 20, 2008 3:53 AM

I'm horrified at the thought of what we put rape victims through let alone this. Uh, and if there are four witnesses to a rape, that will indeed testify that it was rape, someone want to ask them why they stood by and watched instead of stopping it? Bet the defense lawyer would. No, this wasn't designed to assure that a man could never ever be convicted of rape or anything. Not at all.

Posted by: Donna at February 20, 2008 4:55 AM

Now I understand why Islam is finding so many converts among the prisons' rapist population.

Posted by: Curly Smith at February 20, 2008 5:44 AM

This is maddening and sickening at the same time.

Posted by: Flynne at February 20, 2008 6:08 AM

Islam! Come for the intolerance, stay for the rape!!

Posted by: COOP at February 20, 2008 9:08 AM

In the late 80's while stationed in germany we used to take trips to Paris a lot. Despite the stereotype of the American hating French I always found they treated us fine. Or at least as well as we desrved to be treated. A bad attempt at french was always much better than assuming they understood English. Which they most likely did. And if you wanted to really see a pissed off Frenchmen, try using your German to get your point across. As much as the Americans complained about being treated poorly by the French, the Germans got it much worse. Deservedly so, you could say.

Posted by: Sean at February 20, 2008 12:12 PM

[i]Sura 2:282 - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).[/i]

So, if a rape victim got eight women to testify that it wasn't adultery...?

Posted by: Conan the Grammarian at February 20, 2008 2:26 PM

Amy, about 20 years ago I saw a news report about a Turkish woman who got raped. (By several men, if I remember correctly.) According to that report, Turkish law at the time stated that rapists get punished less if their victim is a prostitute. Now guess what the lawyer of these jerks was trying to prove in court concerning the profession of said victim...

Posted by: Rainer at February 21, 2008 7:52 AM

The saddest part about Islamic culture is the fact that it's legal system is based on an older written version of a religious text that is also steeped with the older cultural context. I think in the United States, where there is at least a relatively good amount of acceptance of different religions, we can separate texts like the Bible from the law. It's sad that this is not the case in certain Middle Eastern countries and it does not look like it will be changing any time soon.

Posted by: Angela at February 21, 2008 9:07 AM

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