Dead People Do Vote -- In North Carolina
Sometimes, they might even vote twice -- in NC and in another state. At PJ Tatler, Bryan Preston writes that there has been massive voter fraud discovered in NC. For example:
•765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election.•35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.
•155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state - and the latest date of registration or voter activity did not take place within N.C.
...In October 2012, Project Veritas produced video showing a Barack Obama campaign worker helping a voter register to vote in both Texas and Florida.
From the NC legislators trying for election reform:
North Carolina's election reform law guarantees anyone who wants to vote will have that opportunity. It establishes a list of valid government-issued photo IDs -- including driver's licenses, non-operator ID cards, tribal and military IDs and passports -- that voters can present at their polling places. And it allows anyone without a valid photo ID to obtain one at no cost through the Department of Motor Vehicles.Polls have consistently shown that over 70 percent of North Carolinians support requiring voters to show photo ID.
The problem is, per Sarah Childress at Frontline:
Voter ID laws don't address what appears to be a more common source of voter fraud: mail-in absentee ballots.
via @adamkissel








This can't be true. The Democrats said there is no voter fraud and Democrats don't lie.
Dave B at September 13, 2015 11:51 AM
Some thoughts:
1. The report doesn't mention party affiliation of double-registered names.
2. 35,000 is less than one percent of the number that voted in the election.
3. Most importantly, even stricter voter ID laws would have prevented exactly zero of these people from voting twice, since they were legally registered.If we were really trying to prevent voter fraud, we'd pass a federal law requiring cross checking of voter registration lists. Republicans passed voter ID laws not to prevent voter fraud, but to keep Democrats from voting. Whether or not voter fraud existed is irrelevant to that fact.
clinky at September 13, 2015 12:21 PM
It's kind of like, we all agree terrorism is bad, and that it exists; that doesn't mean that everything you do in the name of preventing terrorism is right (TSA groping.)
clinky at September 13, 2015 12:43 PM
It's so convenient to use these people let's not do anything to actually enable those w/o ID to have one. Hell, my church has a van you can probably use for free to help these few individuals.
(Just how do you live w/o the need for an ID card anyway.)
Bob in Texas at September 13, 2015 2:43 PM
Germany reimposed document checks on its border with Austria on Sunday.
Hey Clinky, is this okay? I mean we wouldn't anyone's civil rights interfered with.
Bob in Texas at September 13, 2015 4:32 PM
"Republicans passed voter ID laws not to prevent voter fraud, but to keep Democrats from voting. Whether or not voter fraud existed is irrelevant to that fact."
And exactly how does that occur?
Radwaste at September 13, 2015 5:02 PM
" I mean we wouldn't anyone's civil rights interfered with. "
That's a start. Pretty soon you'll start realizing that Americans are allowed to vote, that Republicans and Democrats have left the borders open for decades, and that believing the Dem/Rep two-party shtick is a fool's game.
Because you're smart like that, Bob. I believe in you!
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at September 13, 2015 6:18 PM
"Republicans passed voter ID laws not to prevent voter fraud, but to keep Democrats from voting."
Clinky, can you explain that? Oh, and I won't hold my breath until you reply. Why is that? You're a troll and trolls don't reply.
Secondly, Miss Clinky, are you saying voter fraud does not exist?
Dave B at September 13, 2015 6:21 PM
The entire "voter ID is raaaaaaacist" meme is insulting. Nigerians manage to get official ID's to vote. So do Mexicans. So do, in fact, the citizens of most countries on this planet. But somehow American blacks and American Hispanics can't manage it? I'd be pissed as hell if I were black, and democrats were spouting this nonsense about me.
momof4 at September 13, 2015 6:27 PM
"And exactly how does that occur?"
Clinky thinks dems are too stupid to figure out how to get an ID. A better characterization was repubs pushed for voter ID laws to look like they were doing something and dems opposed voter ID laws to make the repubs look like they were doing something bad.
Ben at September 13, 2015 6:35 PM
It's a little more difficult, Clinky, to register to vote in two states and get an ID that's valid in each state to show at the polls. I say "a little", since some forms of ID could be accepted in each of two states.
mpetrie98 at September 13, 2015 7:27 PM
Dave 8: Here's how it works: Voter ID laws dispropotioanately affect lower income voters and minorities. They tend to vote Democrat. And you don't have to make it impossible for people to vote to keep them from voting; lots of people don't vote anyway, and it's not difficult to disuade them. So by making it marginally harder to vote for a certain group, you gain an advantage in turnout.
And where did I suggest that voter fraud doesn't exist?
And what definition of troll is just someone who you disagree with?
clinky at September 13, 2015 9:11 PM
I still don't see how someone can get through life without an ID. You need photo ID for doctor appointments and medical treatment. You need ID to buy alcohol and cigarettes. You need it to get a job and to collect welfare benefits. A lot of transactions at stores require showing ID (like paying with a card). There is a long list of everyday activities that require photo ID. Poor people are the ones collecting welfare. How did they get it without ID? It's just a scam to say people don't have them, can't get them, etc. I've read that Indiana will give them out for free to those that don't have them
BunnyGirl at September 14, 2015 12:34 AM
So, by extension, requiring ID to buy beer or cigarettes also has a disparate impact on the poor?
Radwaste at September 14, 2015 1:59 AM
Didn't you know that beer is racist Rad? So is going down to the court house. But at least I don't have to take off my shoes to buy a six pack.
You can't even get into an FBI or justice department building without showing ID. So Holder, Lynch, and Comey are disparate impact racists too. Why do democrats hate the poor so much?
Ben at September 14, 2015 7:16 AM
"Voter ID laws dispropotioanately affect lower income voters and minorities. They tend to vote Democrat."
While it is probably true dumb people vote Democrat Clinky, it is racist to say that blacks cannot, will not or unable to get identifications cards. I grew up in Watts in the 40's 50's and 60's, and I worked at a liquor store while in high school. None of our customers failed to show an id when purchasing their Ripple.
Dear Miss Clinky, a troll (you) is one who fails at logic and says stupid things that cannot be supported.
Dave B at September 14, 2015 11:13 AM
"Voter ID laws dispropotioanately affect lower income voters and minorities. "
But how does that happen? Most states will give them an ID card for free; all they have to do is go to the courthouse. It makes no sense to say that they can get to the polls on Election Day, but they can't get to the courthouse on any other day of the year. If nothing else, you'd think activists would make sure they get transportation to go get IDs, same as they make sure they can get to the polls.
Cousin Dave at September 14, 2015 11:36 AM
Since most states use a winner take all approach to apportioning electoral votes, it's enough votes to secure the state of North Carolina and its electors.
Conan the Grammarian at September 14, 2015 7:39 PM
Part of the problem is that elections are handled by the states - by federal law. In an age in which traveling between states would take weeks, that worked fine. In an age when traveling between the states can take a few hours ... or minutes, that opens up a lot of avenues for fraud.
And absentee ballots by people holding residences in two states open up a whole lot more avenues for fraud.
As I pointed out, it only takes a few thousand votes to swing an election in any given state and your candidate gets the electors for that state. Obama's margin of victory in North Carolina in 2008 was less than 15,000 votes.
You don't even have to recruit active fraudsters. Just convince enough people who vote for your guy that it's okay to register in two states to make sure the "right" guy wins and you're cookin' with gas.
Conan the Grammarian at September 14, 2015 8:10 PM
clinky: "2. 35,000 is less than one percent of the number that voted in the election."
"One person, one vote" is a foundational principle of democracy. Stealing votes, even just one or two - let alone tens or hundreds of thousands - is a big deal. When the proponents of one side of a political contest are so overwhelmingly flippant and dismissive about voter fraud, and present feeble and contrived grounds for opposing any effort to prevent it, it's obvious that their problem is not just lack of awareness and good judgment, but a serious lack of integrity, good ethics and morality. No matter how much lip service they pay to noble ideals, the more power liars, moochers and thieves gain, the worse it is for everyone.
Stealing votes = moral depravity, e.g. Melowese Richardson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nX6E2Ucv7S8
Ken R at September 14, 2015 8:39 PM
A judge explains to Melowese Richardson why stealing votes is evil and then sentences her to five years in prison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXe3PdFStc4
Ken R at September 14, 2015 8:41 PM
clinky: "2. 35,000 is less than one percent of the number that voted in the election."
Conan: "Obama's margin of victory in North Carolina in 2008 was less than 15,000 votes."
So if the other side had been ahead by 15,000 legitimate votes, it wouldn't even have taken half of those 35,000 fraudulent voters to steal NC's electoral votes for that election.
That's not even considering the "155,692 voters with the same first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN [who] were registered in N.C. and another state..."
Yes, election fraud is a big, huge deal. Everyone knows it. One side likes it.
Ken R at September 14, 2015 8:59 PM
Leave a comment