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Multiple women accuse Neil deGrasse Tyson of ... rape.
The "R" word is getting thrown around awfully casually these days; the accusers acting like children who've discovered they'll get a bigger reaction if they use certain words. What should be a serious accusation has been reduced to the equivalent of a playground taunt.
Conan the Grammarian
at December 5, 2018 6:24 AM
"Cancel all men."
And the world will come to a screeching halt the next time there is a wild spider on the loose, a tampon clogs the toilet, or the Check Engine light comes on.
And somehow those will also be mens' fault...
bkmale
at December 5, 2018 6:54 AM
This could be an interestingly teachable moment to explore the evolved reasons why each sex tends to see situationss differently, due to the asymmetries of error management. However, I learned my lesson during elevator gate. No talking to to the public about reality. Publish (in code) in journals only. Got it.
HelenaHandbasket
at December 5, 2018 7:15 AM
"I'm going to say I don't take blanket battle of the sexes statements, 'I hate all men' 'Women are evil' too seriously."
Yes, obviously both statements are hyperbole. However, one of them will subject the speaker to loss of employment and social ostracism. The other is widely applauded. One must ask, how did this situation come to pass, and for how much longer is it sustainable? And after that, what happens next?
Cousin Dave
at December 5, 2018 7:48 AM
I think it is part of a general trend of taking peoples' obnoxious statements too seriously. I'm sick of people getting fired because they made some offhand asshole comment of facebook.
I mean it's one thing if they are consistently being sexist/racist/whateverist, but if they made a rude joke or the occasional offhand hyperbolic comment, come on.
So it's bullshit if some guy who just got dumped declares he hates women and gets fired, but it's also ridiculous to react so strongly to this lady.
NicoleK
at December 5, 2018 9:35 AM
>> I'm going to say I don't take blanket battle of the sexes statements, "I hate all men" "Women are evil" too seriously.
I generally agree but in the US at least, public expressions of hatred towards men are so common and widely endorsed by women that I think you have to accept they are expressions of a true contempt towards men generally.
IMO a lot of the problem comes from how we've raised the past few generations of girls. The parenting style has promoted an extreme and unrealistic degree of self centeredness. Parents and the larger society tell girls they are 'perfect' and 'powerful' and 'deserve' anything they want. It's actually quite common for parents to dress their girls as princesses and then encourage them to dictate orders to the people around them. The men they meet are expected to respond as though the girl is their master.
What I've observed is that when these girls grow up and are confronted by reality, they can become very bitter and that is often expressed as anger and vindictiveness towards men. And because they are so self absorbed, the cruelty and unfairness of their behavior is not apparent to them. They can only see themselves as victims and men as their 'oppressors'.
cat
at December 5, 2018 9:56 AM
FWIW Xeni is lying. Tyson is accused on one incident of assault by a woman who cant remember the encounter and so assumes it must have happened - because that proves she’s suffering from Trauma.
The other two accusations are of awkward encounters that neither has characterized as violent or threatening. They seem upset that Tyson was flirty with them once.
Happy
at December 5, 2018 11:27 AM
FWIW Xeni is lying. Tyson is accused on one incident of assault by a woman who cant remember the encounter and so assumes it must have happened - because that proves she’s suffering from Trauma.
The other two accusations are of awkward encounters that neither has characterized as violent or threatening. They seem upset that Tyson was flirty with them once.
Happy
at December 5, 2018 11:28 AM
Men seem to me to be genuinely bonded to their wives (hormones somehow). They totally depend on their wife being there and are comfortable supporting them and fixing things. In all the cases where I know details, it is the wife who asked for (or contemplated) divorce, often because they got tired of him, wanted to "move on", found a new guy, or simply could no longer stand him. When she asks for divorce, these men are totally baffled and in the cases I know are unable to find out what is wrong.
Men and women are complementary in life but when women think they are somehow owed a perfect life (which is impossible) then they get unhappy and they are unhappy it is his fault.
cc
at December 5, 2018 11:38 AM
If you think everybody in any group is nasty, remember you are the sole common element.
Radwaste
at December 5, 2018 1:02 PM
I don't think this is a female only problem. See that guy who shot hot girls because he couldn't get laid, and all the guys on the internet voicing their support.
I don't know if it has always been like this or it is the internet or what, but shit.
NicoleK
at December 5, 2018 9:58 PM
> I'm going to say I don't
> take blanket battle of the
> sexes statements, "I hate
> all men" "Women are evil"
> too seriously.
'Zackley...
Or at least, I don't take people who say those things very seriously.
There are things in our culture that need to be tuned up and corrected.
But if you think, living in typical modernity, that you're being irredeemably constrained from growing into the person you want to be, male or female, by these kinds of forces, it's easy to presume that life was going to overwhelm you anyway.
Crid
at December 5, 2018 10:57 PM
I am, in any case, proud to affirm that "Xeni" has blocked me on Twitter. I have no idea why.
"Xeni"! A totally science-fiction name! Intimidating, like Spock in a landing party!
Crid
at December 5, 2018 11:08 PM
"I don't know if it has always been like this or it is the internet or what, but shit."
I was going to post a different response to this, but I've already stated that point and I don't want to belabor it, so I'm going in a different direction.
We live in an age where anyone can use the Internet to magnify and find a certain amount of approval for their mental dysfunctions, whatever they may be. But those people confuse the smattering of likes that they get with wide public approval. Two years ago we watched as a heavily favored Presidential candidate lost to a political neophyte because of statements she made disparaging an out-group, which she assumed would bring her near-universal applause. She was stunned when it didn't, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. The likes overwhelmed sage advice from her own husband. If a person with that much public exposure can live in an approval bubble of her own construction, with social media's help, then anyone can.
What's the answer? I'm not at all sure. Maybe a younger generation, that grew up with social media and better appreciates its characteristics and flaws, will be more immune to that sort of thing.
Cousin Dave
at December 6, 2018 8:01 AM
"We live in an age where anyone can use the Internet to magnify and find a certain amount of approval for their mental dysfunctions, whatever they may be. But those people confuse the smattering of likes that they get with wide public approval. Two years ago we watched as a heavily favored Presidential candidate lost to a political neophyte because of statements she made disparaging an out-group, which she assumed would bring her near-universal applause. She was stunned when it didn't, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. The likes overwhelmed sage advice from her own husband. If a person with that much public exposure can live in an approval bubble of her own construction, with social media's help, then anyone can."
And someone else, especially one who has spent most of their professional life in the absence of Twitter, Facebook, et al, can realize that very important and busy people, who have enormous assets and influence, do not post on or monitor social media. Can you think of somone who fits this description?
Radwaste
at December 6, 2018 8:29 AM
I am, in any case, proud to affirm that "Xeni" has blocked me on Twitter. I have no idea why. ~ Crid at December 5, 2018 11:08 PM
You aren't missing much. Anyone who describes themselves as a "flamethrowing writer" cannot, by default, have much of interest to say.
Conan the Grammarian
at December 6, 2018 9:48 AM
"all the guys on the internet voicing their support"
Or 'woke' womyn and persons of non-determinate and/or fluid gender pretending to be MAGA-hat-wearing white cisgendered males in order to advance the narrative of oppressive rape culture.
It's the interwebs, y'know.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers
at December 6, 2018 11:06 AM
Men seem to me to be genuinely bonded to their wives (hormones somehow). They totally depend on their wife being there and are comfortable supporting them and fixing things. In all the cases where I know details, it is the wife who asked for (or contemplated) divorce, often because they got tired of him, wanted to "move on", found a new guy, or simply could no longer stand him. When she asks for divorce, these men are totally baffled and in the cases I know are unable to find out what is wrong.
This may be true more often than not, but it sure doesn't fit me. I've been divorced twice. In both cases I was sick of the marriage many years before it ended, and knew exactly what her reasons were when she suggested we split.
Maybe I'm projecting from my own experience, but I'll bet that a lot of men who seem outwardly comfortable in their marriages are just afraid of what a divorce might cost them.
Rex Little
at December 6, 2018 11:10 AM
Feelin' bad about my typo, because the link applies to XXXXXXnnie and about 79% of the rest of the internet people.
But especially to Flamethrowin' XXXXXXenienienienie.
Crid
at December 6, 2018 11:54 AM
But especially to Flamethrowin' XXXXXXenienienienie. ~ Crid at December 6, 2018 11:54 AM
Good quote. Reminds me of PJ O'Rourke's “The weirder you're going to behave, the more normal you should look. It works in reverse, too. When I see a kid with three or four rings in his nose, I know there is absolutely nothing extraordinary about that person.”
Conan the Grammarian
at December 6, 2018 12:25 PM
It's a cousin notion to my favorite of this decade
Bigotry. Nothing more, nothing less.
dee nile at December 5, 2018 3:30 AM
"The new generation of boys should be raised to believe that girls are their equals, and sometimes, their superiors" -
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dtn4KRoUwAIbbft.jpg:large
Snoopy at December 5, 2018 4:11 AM
Woman gets 10 years in prison for 15 false rape accusations
https://freegulfjobs.com/woman-gets-10-years-in-prison-for-15-false-rape-accusations/
Snoopy at December 5, 2018 4:16 AM
I'm going to say I don't take blanket battle of the sexes statements, "I hate all men" "Women are evil" too seriously.
NicoleK at December 5, 2018 4:46 AM
The proper response to the cancel men thing is you're welcome to try.
I dare ya.
I R A Darth Aggie at December 5, 2018 6:06 AM
The "R" word is getting thrown around awfully casually these days; the accusers acting like children who've discovered they'll get a bigger reaction if they use certain words. What should be a serious accusation has been reduced to the equivalent of a playground taunt.
Conan the Grammarian at December 5, 2018 6:24 AM
"Cancel all men."
And the world will come to a screeching halt the next time there is a wild spider on the loose, a tampon clogs the toilet, or the Check Engine light comes on.
And somehow those will also be mens' fault...
bkmale at December 5, 2018 6:54 AM
This could be an interestingly teachable moment to explore the evolved reasons why each sex tends to see situationss differently, due to the asymmetries of error management. However, I learned my lesson during elevator gate. No talking to to the public about reality. Publish (in code) in journals only. Got it.
HelenaHandbasket at December 5, 2018 7:15 AM
"I'm going to say I don't take blanket battle of the sexes statements, 'I hate all men' 'Women are evil' too seriously."
Yes, obviously both statements are hyperbole. However, one of them will subject the speaker to loss of employment and social ostracism. The other is widely applauded. One must ask, how did this situation come to pass, and for how much longer is it sustainable? And after that, what happens next?
Cousin Dave at December 5, 2018 7:48 AM
I think it is part of a general trend of taking peoples' obnoxious statements too seriously. I'm sick of people getting fired because they made some offhand asshole comment of facebook.
I mean it's one thing if they are consistently being sexist/racist/whateverist, but if they made a rude joke or the occasional offhand hyperbolic comment, come on.
So it's bullshit if some guy who just got dumped declares he hates women and gets fired, but it's also ridiculous to react so strongly to this lady.
NicoleK at December 5, 2018 9:35 AM
>> I'm going to say I don't take blanket battle of the sexes statements, "I hate all men" "Women are evil" too seriously.
I generally agree but in the US at least, public expressions of hatred towards men are so common and widely endorsed by women that I think you have to accept they are expressions of a true contempt towards men generally.
IMO a lot of the problem comes from how we've raised the past few generations of girls. The parenting style has promoted an extreme and unrealistic degree of self centeredness. Parents and the larger society tell girls they are 'perfect' and 'powerful' and 'deserve' anything they want. It's actually quite common for parents to dress their girls as princesses and then encourage them to dictate orders to the people around them. The men they meet are expected to respond as though the girl is their master.
What I've observed is that when these girls grow up and are confronted by reality, they can become very bitter and that is often expressed as anger and vindictiveness towards men. And because they are so self absorbed, the cruelty and unfairness of their behavior is not apparent to them. They can only see themselves as victims and men as their 'oppressors'.
cat at December 5, 2018 9:56 AM
FWIW Xeni is lying. Tyson is accused on one incident of assault by a woman who cant remember the encounter and so assumes it must have happened - because that proves she’s suffering from Trauma.
The other two accusations are of awkward encounters that neither has characterized as violent or threatening. They seem upset that Tyson was flirty with them once.
Happy at December 5, 2018 11:27 AM
FWIW Xeni is lying. Tyson is accused on one incident of assault by a woman who cant remember the encounter and so assumes it must have happened - because that proves she’s suffering from Trauma.
The other two accusations are of awkward encounters that neither has characterized as violent or threatening. They seem upset that Tyson was flirty with them once.
Happy at December 5, 2018 11:28 AM
Men seem to me to be genuinely bonded to their wives (hormones somehow). They totally depend on their wife being there and are comfortable supporting them and fixing things. In all the cases where I know details, it is the wife who asked for (or contemplated) divorce, often because they got tired of him, wanted to "move on", found a new guy, or simply could no longer stand him. When she asks for divorce, these men are totally baffled and in the cases I know are unable to find out what is wrong.
Men and women are complementary in life but when women think they are somehow owed a perfect life (which is impossible) then they get unhappy and they are unhappy it is his fault.
cc at December 5, 2018 11:38 AM
If you think everybody in any group is nasty, remember you are the sole common element.
Radwaste at December 5, 2018 1:02 PM
I don't think this is a female only problem. See that guy who shot hot girls because he couldn't get laid, and all the guys on the internet voicing their support.
I don't know if it has always been like this or it is the internet or what, but shit.
NicoleK at December 5, 2018 9:58 PM
> I'm going to say I don't
> take blanket battle of the
> sexes statements, "I hate
> all men" "Women are evil"
> too seriously.
'Zackley...
Or at least, I don't take people who say those things very seriously.
There are things in our culture that need to be tuned up and corrected.
But if you think, living in typical modernity, that you're being irredeemably constrained from growing into the person you want to be, male or female, by these kinds of forces, it's easy to presume that life was going to overwhelm you anyway.
Crid at December 5, 2018 10:57 PM
I am, in any case, proud to affirm that "Xeni" has blocked me on Twitter. I have no idea why.
"Xeni"! A totally science-fiction name! Intimidating, like Spock in a landing party!
Crid at December 5, 2018 11:08 PM
"I don't know if it has always been like this or it is the internet or what, but shit."
I was going to post a different response to this, but I've already stated that point and I don't want to belabor it, so I'm going in a different direction.
We live in an age where anyone can use the Internet to magnify and find a certain amount of approval for their mental dysfunctions, whatever they may be. But those people confuse the smattering of likes that they get with wide public approval. Two years ago we watched as a heavily favored Presidential candidate lost to a political neophyte because of statements she made disparaging an out-group, which she assumed would bring her near-universal applause. She was stunned when it didn't, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. The likes overwhelmed sage advice from her own husband. If a person with that much public exposure can live in an approval bubble of her own construction, with social media's help, then anyone can.
What's the answer? I'm not at all sure. Maybe a younger generation, that grew up with social media and better appreciates its characteristics and flaws, will be more immune to that sort of thing.
Cousin Dave at December 6, 2018 8:01 AM
"We live in an age where anyone can use the Internet to magnify and find a certain amount of approval for their mental dysfunctions, whatever they may be. But those people confuse the smattering of likes that they get with wide public approval. Two years ago we watched as a heavily favored Presidential candidate lost to a political neophyte because of statements she made disparaging an out-group, which she assumed would bring her near-universal applause. She was stunned when it didn't, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. The likes overwhelmed sage advice from her own husband. If a person with that much public exposure can live in an approval bubble of her own construction, with social media's help, then anyone can."
And someone else, especially one who has spent most of their professional life in the absence of Twitter, Facebook, et al, can realize that very important and busy people, who have enormous assets and influence, do not post on or monitor social media. Can you think of somone who fits this description?
Radwaste at December 6, 2018 8:29 AM
You aren't missing much. Anyone who describes themselves as a "flamethrowing writer" cannot, by default, have much of interest to say.
Conan the Grammarian at December 6, 2018 9:48 AM
"all the guys on the internet voicing their support"
Or 'woke' womyn and persons of non-determinate and/or fluid gender pretending to be MAGA-hat-wearing white cisgendered males in order to advance the narrative of oppressive rape culture.
It's the interwebs, y'know.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at December 6, 2018 11:06 AM
Men seem to me to be genuinely bonded to their wives (hormones somehow). They totally depend on their wife being there and are comfortable supporting them and fixing things. In all the cases where I know details, it is the wife who asked for (or contemplated) divorce, often because they got tired of him, wanted to "move on", found a new guy, or simply could no longer stand him. When she asks for divorce, these men are totally baffled and in the cases I know are unable to find out what is wrong.
This may be true more often than not, but it sure doesn't fit me. I've been divorced twice. In both cases I was sick of the marriage many years before it ended, and knew exactly what her reasons were when she suggested we split.
Maybe I'm projecting from my own experience, but I'll bet that a lot of men who seem outwardly comfortable in their marriages are just afraid of what a divorce might cost them.
Rex Little at December 6, 2018 11:10 AM
Feelin' bad about my typo, because the link applies to XXXXXXnnie and about 79% of the rest of the internet people.
But especially to Flamethrowin' XXXXXXenienienienie.
Crid at December 6, 2018 11:54 AM
Good quote. Reminds me of PJ O'Rourke's “The weirder you're going to behave, the more normal you should look. It works in reverse, too. When I see a kid with three or four rings in his nose, I know there is absolutely nothing extraordinary about that person.”
Conan the Grammarian at December 6, 2018 12:25 PM
It's a cousin notion to my favorite of this decade
https://tinyurl.com/MoralParsimony
Crid at December 6, 2018 2:12 PM
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