The New Bullying Tactic Of Deeming Opinions "Phobia" and "Hate" -- And Never Mind Whether They Reflect Anything Of The Sort
Here's the thread -- and two essential screen shots.
Second screen shot:
The truth is, top-seated female tennis players are regularly trounced by men ranked, oh, 500 or so.
Martina -- a long-"out" lesbian (since 1981) who is anything but a hater -- is honest, and for that, she's vilified by the activist set. The attacks on her on Twitter and elsewhere were motivated by, among other things, a Times of London op-ed she wrote (paywalled, so I can't get to it) that has this as the subhead:
Letting men compete as women simply if they change their name and take hormones is unfair -- no matter how those athletes may throw their weight around.
Here's a bit about how this has played out, from Bambi Bukowski on Quora:
It's doubtful that any female world record is even as good as the best male college record. Just one example: I met a male lifeguard at the pool at University of Florida. He told me he had come to Florida to be on the swim team, and had hoped to earn a scholarship. He told me that unfortunately, he wasn't good enough to get a scholarship - or even make the team. But, he said, his personal best times would have won six gold medals in the prior Olympics - in the women's division....During the 1998 Australian Open, sisters Serena and Venus Williams boasted that they could beat any man ranked outside the world's top 200. The challenge was accepted by Karsten Braasch, a German player ranked No 203 (his highest ranking was No 38). Before the matches, Braasch played a round of golf in the morning, drank a couple of beers, smoked a few cigarettes, and then played the Williams sisters for a set each, one after the other. He defeated Serena, 6-1, and Venus, 6-2. Serena said afterwards "I didn't know it would be that hard. I hit shots that would have been winners on the women's tour and he got to them easily."
When it comes to sports, there's simply no comparison between men and women once you get beyond high school. That's why they have to have special "protected" classes for women. If the best athlete made the team in every case, there would be NO females in sports.
The activists' vilification of Navratilova, and the way they go after anyone -- including those of us who are respectful of ALL people and believe ALL people should be treated with dignity -- serves its purpose: making many afraid to ever voice an opinion on the subject.
Meanwhile, I think they hurt those who are not activists, who just want to live their lives, by leading some of the rest of us to group them in with the vicious.
We had this conversation years ago at the tennis club. People were saying that Serena could beat most men, ( and by the way there seems to be substantial evidence that she juices).
I said ridiculous. You would have to drop down all the way into men’s division III college to find male players who wouldn’t trounce her.
Watch the speed of the ball in a professional men’s match. Serena hits and moves like a sixty year old man.
I Watched the assistant coach of the college women’s team who was maybe a 4.5 rated player beat the number one player on the woman’s team effortlessly.
Ironically a woman named Margaret Murdock was the end of men and women shooters competing against each other in the Olympics. The Europeans put an end to mixed gender competition after her. Their egos couldn’t take it.
Isab at March 8, 2019 5:37 AM
Time to re-visit the Bobby Riggs saga... Riggs was a pro tennis player who was one of the top players in the world right after WWII. But by 1973, he was 55 years old, had been retired for 23 years, and wasn't exactly living a healthy lifestyle. Nonetheless, as a publicity stunt, he challenged the top female tennis players of the day to a match. Margaret Court, who was ranked #1 at the time, took him up on it. He beat her, 6-2, 6-1. Billie Jean King, who played more of a power game than Court, then took up the challenge. In the famous "Battle of the Sexes" in the Houston Astrodome, playing men's rules, King beat Riggs 6-4, 6-3, 6-3. Riggs won the first few games, but as the match wore on, his lack of stamina became obvious.
Nonetheless, King later acknowledged that, despite her big advantage in age and conditioning, it was a difficult match for her. She also figured that, if she could have gone back in time and played Riggs in his prime, she wouldn't have stood a chance.
Cousin Dave at March 8, 2019 6:51 AM
There was just a story recently about how two trans-women just finished first and second in a Connecticut High School state track championship in a sprint event. I believe the 1st place winner also set a record for women in the event. I'm pretty sure the 3rd place lady even admitted she had no chance. Go Girl Power! Hurray for progress.
Oh btw, Happy International Women's day to all the international ladies out there.
Shtetl G at March 8, 2019 6:55 AM
Cousin Dave:
I'm no expert on Riggs but I know he was showman, degenerate gambler and hustler. There is pretty credible evidence out there that he threw the match either for some extra money or just for being the showman that he was and recognizing the times he was living in.
Shtetl G at March 8, 2019 7:01 AM
Woman who defines herself by attraction within a paradigm that demands a stark line between male and female finds herself at odds with those who define themselves by a fluidity that cannot permit the existence of that stark line - two enter, one leaves this Victim Olympics grudge match, but nobody wins. Film at 11!
El Verde Loco at March 8, 2019 7:36 AM
Men hit a tennis ball much harder than women and are faster, which is why they win. Just taking hormones for a year does NOT eliminate all the physical differences. He will lose some muscle strength but will still win. There is a reason men and women do not compete head-to-head but intersectionality and "rights" do not permit one to admit it.
cc at March 8, 2019 8:24 AM
It's amazing the things people are being pressured to apologize for.
Joe Biden apologized for basically calling his successor a decent guy who he disagrees with.
Martin O'Malley apologize for saying black lives matter (which is true), white lives matter (which is true), all lives matter (which is true). Three undeniably true statements, and he apologizes like a little weenie.
A lesbian in Baltimore was forced off a board for saying that predatory men will "transgender" into women to gain access to female victims, and she used the example of a rapist who identified as a woman and then raped women in a women's correctional facility.
Yet, this party wins elections. And even great people vote for them as the supposedly adult party.
Trump may be a jerk and say the wrong things, but credit him with courage and doing the right things.
Trust at March 8, 2019 8:38 AM
Trump may be a jerk and say the wrong things, but credit him with courage and doing the right things.
Trust at March 8, 2019 8:38 AM
Obama was the poster child for all talk and no action.
Learned about twenty years ago. Never listen to what some says about anyone, or anything, especially journalists.
Most of it is second and third hand horse shit.
Watch, very very carefully what they actually do. Nice to see the left eating their own though. All they had to do was not be crazy, and they can’t even manage that.
Isab at March 8, 2019 8:52 AM
Nice to see the left eating their own though. All they had to do was not be crazy, and they can’t even manage that.
Isab at March 8, 2019 8:52 AM
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True.
I also recall how Matt Damon was savaged for saying something very reasonable, that there was a difference between patting someone on the butt and rape. He did not excuse either, saying both behaviors need eradicated. He simply said they shouldn't be conflated.
He fed the left wing monster (you know, the one from the self-proclaimed tolerant and open minded side of the aisle) and it bit him.
I hope some of these useful fools realize that all their defenders in these situations are the supposedly intolerant, mean, and close minded conservatives they had been vilifying.
And even when Trump was ridiculing O'Malley was apologizing like a scared little boy, he was also in a way defending what he said. Of course, O'Malley foolishly sided with the dolts who said what he said was wrong. I guess it is better to say foolish things in an "adult" way than true things in an unsophisticated way.
Trust at March 8, 2019 9:07 AM
Interesting issue. I realize I'm an outlier on the internet -- where nearly everyone has a firm opinion on an issue and is 100% certain their opinion is correct -- but I'm not sure how I feel about this (although I'm probably leaning toward the it's-unfair-for-trans-women-to-compete-with-biological-women view.)
Here's an article -- one of many, I'm sure -- I just found on the issue: BBC Sport: Transgender women in sport: Are they really a 'threat' to female sport?
JD at March 8, 2019 9:23 AM
College? No way.
The best female athletes in the world perform at about the level of 13-14 year old boys. E.g., an under-15 Australian boys team trounced the Australian women's soccer team.
The records in track and field are similar.
Jay R at March 8, 2019 9:28 AM
This is why I support the use of performance-enhancing drugs in sports.
For one, everybody's using them so stop parading that faux imagery of purity, they're not fooling anyone.
And two, I want to see Serena/Venus Williams transform into Terry Crews.
Sixclaws at March 8, 2019 9:46 AM
College? No way.
The best female athletes in the world perform at about the level of 13-14 year old boys. E.g., an under-15 Australian boys team trounced the Australian women's soccer team.
The records in track and field are similar.
Jay R at March 8, 2019 9:28 AM
This is true BUT soccer is not tennis. There is some ball handling in soccer, but foot speed and strength overwhelm.
Tennis involves a lot more hand eye coordination where women are equal to men, and sometimes superior. All but the very top boy 14 year old tennis players are going to be out finessed by Serena Williams on the court, because they lack her ability to read the ball and the court, her well honed racquet skills and mental toughness. Plus they are no where near as strong as a 21 year old man.
My daughter used to play tennis against a lot of men. The old guys were often much tougher than the young ones because they had all the shots, and knew when to use them.
I watched her reduce a girl her age to tears in an under 18 match, when she beat her by slicing the ball at her. A slice is an old man’s shot and most girls never see it playing other girls.
Isab at March 8, 2019 10:10 AM
As a reference point, I present the Australian women's national soccer team.
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1698/womens-soccer/2016/05/26/23954642/australia-womens-soccer-team-faces-unfair-global-backlash
So far as I know, this wasn't a city all star squad of young men. And they couldn't break the shut out, even just for pride?
I R A Darth Aggie at March 8, 2019 10:20 AM
"My daughter used to play tennis against a lot of men. The old guys were often much tougher than the young ones because they had all the shots, and knew when to use them."
Going back to Riggs again, he was kind of small for a male pro (even by his era's standards), and by the time he played Court, most of his speed and power were gone. But he beat her with a combination of drop shots and lobs. Riggs had a genius-level diabolical talent for luring his opponent out of position and then hitting something impossible for them to get to. There were places where he had Court running back and forth all over the court and he was barely moving. Jimmy Connors in his heyday had a bit of Riggs' game, combined with a lot more power than Riggs probably ever had.
Cousin Dave at March 8, 2019 11:53 AM
Lesbians are just the latest group to find out they are now on the “wrong side of history.” Fortunately, Break Dancing has been added as an Olympic sport. Otherwise, no woman could hope to win a Gold Metal at the Olympics.
Wfjag at March 8, 2019 2:18 PM
I have a son and daughter who both play high school soccer. She trains very hard trying to become a D-1 soccer player and he plays for fun. He is simply better despite her superior soccer skills. His size, strength and speed are too much. When they play together on a co-ed team this is clear.
He would easily be the best player on her high school team which won the state title. I have seen a few girls who are better than him but, if he trained, I would bet he would be better than of all the girls.
Curtis at March 8, 2019 2:33 PM
They should stop dividing sports into men's and women's divisions based on gender identity and go back to dividing them based on biological sex. Then discrimination/prejudice/phobia wouldn't even be an issue. Athletes with one type of body would compete in the women's division and those with the other type would compete in the men's - regardless of gender identity or any other social/political/delusional construct.
Of course that still wouldn't please the "trans community" because male athletes who aren't competitive against other male athletes wouldn't be able to "identify" as women, compete against female athletes, win championships and become celebrity role models for the trans community. And mediocre female high school athletes wouldn't be able to "identify" as boys, use anabolic steroids while competing against other girls, and win the championships and scholarships.
Ken R at March 10, 2019 8:02 PM
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