I believe this is already happening in the US. In Illinois, a woman was raped by a "transwoman" (Janaih Monroe) at the Logan Correctional center.

There's Karen White in England, too.

I'm surprised that judges, who make moral judgments on literally everything else, are reticent to weigh in on the sincerity of a supposed transwoman's claims to be female.

Perhaps the female inmates collectively will do something about Barbie.

“and lacks any lived experience as a woman”

Will somebody please explain in simple English what the heck this means?
Other than the fact that I don’t leave the toilet seat up for the obvious reasons, my *lived experience* as a human being and American citizen is pretty much the same as my husband’s.

I mean I haven’t worn a dress in perhaps 15 years. I put on makeup for sun block properties only.

Does anyone else find this *lived experience* thing to be psycho babble?

If you are a sexual or physical predator, you need to be separated from the general inmate population. Prison is not the place to cater to your delusions about gender.

Remember the flap a few years back about the intentionally mislabeled "bathroom bill" in North Carolina and the sexual assaults by a self-proclaimed transgendered woman in a Canadian domestic violence shelter? Any concern about sexual predators using false claims of being transgendered to gain access to women's private spaces was dismissed as transphobic.

That said, I don't think Janaih Monroe (nee Andre Patterson) is using a claim of being transgendered as a means of gaining access to a women's prison, merely as a means of escaping the harsh realities of being in a men's prison.

That (s)he committed rape afterward was in keeping with an already long record of misbehavior. Monroe has a long string of felonies, "including second degree murder, attempted murder, aggravated battery, aggravated battery involving a government employee, three counts of aggravated battery involving a peace officer, two counts of aggravated attempted arson, damage to government property and bringing contraband into a penal institution" - along with a long record of mental issues, including multiple suicide attempts, self-mutilation, and violence. This is not a well individual.

This is the kind of individual for which our prison system (and our society) has no ready answer. He needs psychiatric help, but the violence and grind of daily prison life is not conducive to the self-improvement efforts needed to facilitate rehabilitation - men's or women's prison. All our prison system can do with the Andre Pattersons of the world is lock them away to protect the rest of us.

I sure do remember it Conan.

At the end of the day, men belong in men's prisons. Have a gender non-conforming section or branch you can put them in if needed. They shouldn't be dumped in the women's. Even consexual sex would be a problem as it could result in pregnancy.

Gah, consensual.

There were lines once. We've had three generations of deciding to redefine them, and then say, "This far, and no farther, because it's what I want today." Their children learn not to respect the new arbitrary but to redefine it for themselves - and there's only one direction these things move.

I remember the college girl who got passed over for the job she had targeted for some time lamenting, "It's not fair! They hired a black guy! Affirmative action is supposed to give women jobs, but it has to stop if I'm losing a job over it."

Isab,

I have not worn a dress for over 30 years. Your comment made me paw through the closet to see if I actually HAD a dress. Yep. It is size 11. I am not. I never will be again. It is there to remind me what I wore on a certain day. I was reminded. Thank you for my big smile. We all need more of them these days.

Isab,

I have not worn a dress for over 30 years. Your comment made me paw through the closet to see if I actually HAD a dress. Yep. It is size 11. I am not. I never will be again. It is there to remind me what I wore on a certain day. I was reminded. Thank you for my big smile. We all need more of them these days.

Grandma Elizabeth at December 31, 2020 8:28 AM

I keep my dress blues from the Army for the same reason. I got married in them.

I started opting for a pair of black dress pants and a nice blouse a long time ago.

I’m amused by the assumption of the trans community that *living as a woman* requires you to dress like RuPaul in drag.

They know they will never be a real woman so they make do with dress up.

I’m amused by the assumption of the trans community that *living as a woman* requires you to dress like RuPaul in drag. ~ Isab at December 31, 2020 8:49 AM

I'm amused by the assumption that preferring things traditionally associated with the opposite gender automatically makes you the opposite gender - but only slightly amused. I think such shallow gender-stereotyped assumptions are doing more to damage to our children than to help them.

"Men"are having babies and menstruating. "Women" with bulging muscles, beards, penises and testicles are setting new "women's" weight-lifting records -- after identifying as "female" for a single day, and then reverting to "male." The terms "man" and "woman" are now meaningless.

The benefit of extending this "identification" criterion to race is obvious: our "racial" problems can simply disappear when those with dark skin and other African physical characteristics just identify as "White." Those with pale skin, blue eyes and blond hair can escape criticism for using the term "n****r" just by identifying as "Black."

The statement "Your mother was a hamster" will lose its status as a humorous insult when it must be taken as literally true.

Win - Win!

In the victimology olympics, if you claim the highest victim points you win 100%--there is no consideration of competing rights, or protecting everyone. It isn't even of interest to protect children, like when the trans XY woman started using the women's locker room at the YMCA where children were present too. In the case of such people put in the women's prison, the women are a notch or two lower and thus can just suck it. Their feelings, needs, and rights simply do not exist.
As to "feeling like a woman" this is impossible. Transvestites like RuPaul put on an exaggerated show of female traits. No woman is as feminine as a drag queen. Yeah, I know not quite the same as trans, but close. They cannot know what it really feels like so they act on what they imagine.

I would still be delighted to see "Elliot" Page naked. Does that make me gay?

"I'm surprised that judges, who make moral judgments on literally everything else, are reticent to weigh in on the sincerity of a supposed transwoman's claims to be female.

Perhaps the female inmates collectively will do something about Barbie.

Patrick at December 31, 2020 3:15 AM"

The judges bend over easily because the few with actual principles end up kicked out of their cozy judging jobs and in a perpetual unemployed situation.

You can thank Silicon Valley and the Gawker school of "journalism" for that bs.

Any concern about sexual predators using false claims of being transgendered to gain access to women's private spaces was dismissed as transphobic.

Vaguely smacks of the "Believe All Women" nonsense. We've been naively telling ourselves that rape and sexual assault are magical crimes that are so traumatic that no woman would ever, ever, ever-r-r-r-r lie about such a thing, because it's too traumatic.

Just like no man would ever, ever, ever-r-r-r-r lie about being transgendered, because it's such a deeply personal and sensitive subject.

Yes. Yes, they would.

There are no magical topics or accusations that somehow render the speaker incapable of lying on these topics. We human beings are fully capable of lying about anything and everything.

We won't even protect the men from getting raped, and I've got a 2:00 tee time. Stop bothering me.

- Signed, The Warden

Isab,

If I could look like RuPaul if I wore a dress, I would wear a dress.

What is a "real woman"? Someone born with the parts or someone who wishes to have been born with the parts? Or someone who tries to look like the person he or she feels him/herself to be?

I am not just CIS (comfortable in skin), I am TIS (triumphant in skin). I never, no, not for the smallest moment wanted to be a man. I was born with my father's features and my mother's fixtures. I have been lucky. If I had felt that I was a man with the wrong plumbing, I would have transitioned.

I knew a transexual many years ago who was born with male parts and transitioned into a very handsome woman. She said she had several major operations and some "tweaks". She told me that the toughest part for her now (ten years after the surgeries and with a woman's name) was NOT turning around and yelling, "What?" if someone called, "Hey, David".

She had not lost her sense of humor.

“Isab,

If I could look like RuPaul if I wore a dress, I would wear a dress.

What is a "real woman"? Someone born with the parts or someone who wishes to have been born with the parts? Or someone who tries to look like the person he or she feels him/herself to be?”

I wouldn’t wear a dress, especially to look like a hooker drag queen. Except maybe for Halloween. Now if I was meeting the Queen of England for tea, then or course. I’d do the done thing, and dress appropriately.

To answer your question, what is a woman? the answer is, someone with two X chromosomes.

You can’t transition into a different sex. You can only mimic them. I still feel like a human being although at 65 I’ve got quite a bit less estrogen and more testosterone running around my brain than I did at 25, but that isn’t what makes me a woman. My genetics do.
I’m 35 years past my last pregnancy so my sex is mostly immaterial at this point.

If you are chopping off body parts or dosing with hormones to mimic a different sex, you have a serious mental illness. I don’t think ethical physicians should be recommending this to treat psychiatric problems.

> Isab at January 1, 2021 6:21 AM

That's all pretty much fair, especially as regards the Brits. When Prince William and whatsername were touring the Colonies a few years ago, they were introduced to King James, who shot shit with them for a few minutes before practice, and then politely posed for a photo. Right up beside 'em. With his arms around their shoulders... Or one arm around their four shoulders, because Lebron is fucking huge.

My best but vague memory of the look on the royal mugs in the photo was sincere warmth but mild uncertainty... 'Are our bodies being *touched*?' The Brit tabloids went nutsoid: 'You're NEVER supposed to TOUCH Royals!'

And the American sports press was all, 'You're in America now, Limey… There's no such thing as royalty. Outside the paint, anyway… '

('…Maybe Steph Curry'.)

They were lucky to be given an audience with the best player of his generation.

The point is, he was nice to them, whatever the delusions their own culture had given them, or at least offered them, regarding the preciousness of their personage.

I don't see any reason not to make a few allowances for trans people. As above, if you approach me with pretense of that magnitude, I'm going to have profound and well-grounded suspicions about your mental & emotional coherence. Still, it won't kill me to address you as Matilda, even if your beard stubble portends the basso profundo from your voice box.

Y'know, if introduced to a Catholic priest at a cocktail party, it won't kill to call him 'Father.'

Once. After that, he's Mikey, all the way home. And if we're drinking heavily, he's You robe-shrouded bitch!, at least for the weekend.

Thar.