Serf And Turf
My boyfriend's from a socially prominent family, complete with a long line of sycophants and hangers-on. I apparently passed the initial vetting process, but a year later, I still feel like I'm auditioning. He sometimes doesn't invite me to events where everyone brings a spouse or a date. I feel like he and others don't think I'm "fabulous" enough. He said his not including me is related to issues he has with letting go and trusting, and mentioned an ex who attended events with him, then let him know she was doing him a favor. I'm trying to be patient and gradual, stop analyzing, and just enjoy our time together. How else can I cope and make this work?
--The Girlfriend
Perhaps you could do more to let these blue bloods know how much you and they have in common. Maybe mention how you learned the ABCs of diplomacy from your father's work at the Embassy (Suites Hotel, where he's the night manager). Share how you felt the day you discovered that you, too, are an heiress, as your father waved his hand over the family holdings, proclaiming, "Someday, this will all be yours." Unfortunately, he wasn't gesturing at the homes, the cars, the yachts, but at the boxes of crap piled up in the basement.
If that campaign doesn't get you in, you might take a lesson from the society stiffs -- those who made their money the old-fashioned way, by inheriting it from their robber baron ancestors -- and stop trying so hard. You've already asked, watched, waited, avoided analysis; you've pretty much done everything short of enrolling in suck-up lessons at the community college. Yet, a year later, your boyfriend's still trotting off solo to society events, leaving you to wait home on the foyer rug like the family dog. (Some girls get into the society pages, some just go on them.)
And why doesn't he invite you? Um, because the boll weevil lays its eggs in early spring? That wasn't the reason he gave, but it makes about as much sense as claiming it's because his last girlfriend failed to express the proper measure of gratitude at her opportunity to be looked down upon by his fine relations. If the guy isn't ashamed of you, he doesn't seem to care enough to keep you from thinking so, and feeling that the guy you're with isn't proud to be seen with you is really damaging. Being "patient and gradual" won't change a thing. You are who you are: a girl who winters in the exact same one-bedroom apartment where she summers, springs, and falls.
Your real problem is your failure to be difficult. I'm not suggesting you start flying around your relationship on a broom, but that you become somebody who couldn't fathom trying to "cope" with a guy who balks at presenting her to Mummy, Daddy, and the drunk trust fund uncles. Tell your boyfriend "I don't date guys who don't feel they can bring me around." And be willing to walk away. Don't just get behind the idea of that; be a girl who needs her dignity more than she needs a boyfriend. This should eliminate the need for icky conversations about how you'd like to be treated. Instead, you'll communicate it from the start, from within: Oh, what's that? They don't want my sort around? Well, who wants them? My family got an engraved invitation to be here, right on the Statue of Liberty: "Give me your tired, your poor; Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..." Nowhere does it say "Give me your stuck-up snots, your country club masses in scary-ugly golf pants yearning to get everything for free..."








Sigh. A perfect match. Guys like him need girls like her to make them feel that it's okay to treat a girl like shit. Sounds like HRH Boyfriend has spent a lifetime cultivating a sense of entitlement and grandeur, convincing him that it's okay for people like him to treat everyone else as "beneath him," and along she comes, perfectly willing to enforce this idea.
If I had their addresses, I'd mail them both two buckets of ice water, and tell them to stick their heads in it.
Patrick at November 26, 2008 4:57 AM
"He sometimes doesn't invite me to events where everyone brings a spouse or a date." Not sure about this one. If he were actually ashamed of her he would not invite her at all. I'd say he maybe avoiding a particular relative. She might want to ask him why and want specifics as to why he doesn't want her at this event.
I'm assuming she has met the parents by this "I apparently passed the initial vetting process" so if she was a social no no she'd just be banned outright. This goes double if he's out of his 20s. If he's still under 30 they might accept her as a short term plaything.
LW: Your putting up with a lot of crap for some guy so ask yourself this is it that he's so fantastic or are you social climbing?
vlad at November 26, 2008 5:41 AM
"Your real problem is your failure to be difficult." You know, this is a problem I've had most of my life--and not only with boyfriends, but with family, friends, and coworkers. Damn!
Monica at November 26, 2008 5:48 AM
Ugh. My father married a woman who thought he was beneath her--and her friends thought so, too. Despite them being people who'd gotten by their whole lives on money earned by others, while he is a self-made man who is world-renowned in his artistic field (but he's not a lawyer or businessman, so he doesn't make the grade). Meanwhile, my father felt really lucky to be accepted by her despite differences in social standing/bank account. Meanwhile, I thought this was all kind of a joke at first--like, 'aren't people who think that way completely ridiculous? What is this, a Ginger Rogers movie or something?' 20 years on, it's no joke. NEVER marry someone who thinks you're beneath them. They will crush your self-esteem. You will never be good enough. And their lack of regard for your social position has nothing to do with your job or your bank account or your social position, and everything to do with their own twisted way of seeing the world, and their own scheming for the upper hand in the relationship.
Quizzical at November 26, 2008 7:12 AM
A basic requirement in a healthy relationship is respect - for each other and for one's self. (Other requirements include mutual desire etc but they are not relevant to this case.) Respect for the LW is missing, both from the BF and from herself. He's giving out shit and she's accepting it.
Getting the BF to change is difficult. It is something only he can do - it's a waste of time trying to change him. So my advice to the LW is this: walk away and concentrate on changing yourself to achieve good self-esteem. Tell your BF what you are doing and why. Ask Amy for a reading list.
This will be good for you for the rest of your life. It is possible the BF will see what is happening and change also, but don't count on it.
Norman at November 26, 2008 7:13 AM
Oh, and red flags:
1) His family has sycophants and hangers-on. Only narcissistic people who like being followed around by yes men so that they can constantly be reminded how wonderful they are have sycophants and hangers-on.
2) There's a "vetting process." There shouldn't be a vetting process involving one's family. While one's family's opinion can matter, in terms of them giving advice and support, seeing things one might miss in the haze of giddy new love, "vetting process" makes it sound like he's seeking permission, and that's going too far.
3) I feel like he and others don't think I'm "fabulous" enough. His treatment of you is causing you to feel bad about yourself. Never what one looks for in a healthy relationship.
4) He said his not including me is related to issues he has with letting go and trusting, and mentioned an ex who attended events with him, then let him know she was doing him a favor. This worries me, because it goes back to what I said about people trying to get the upper hand in a relationship. Is it that he doesn't want to owe his girlfriend for doing him a favor, but would rather she owe him for doing her a favor by inviting her to family events? (just throwing out the question--not enough data to make any conclusion). But another red flag about this comment is that he thinks it's OK to impose his issues on you. He's treating you disrespectfully, but that's OK because he's suffered?? His explanation just doesn't pass the smell test. He has committment issues, but he's blaming it on some ex-girlfriend, rather than himself.
Quizzical at November 26, 2008 7:27 AM
As it happened, my family loves my wife (probably more than they love me, truth be known, but that's understandable, she's super and deserves it.)
If I had to choose between her and them, it would be an easy choice. I got a girl who left her country, language, customs and family to move a third of the way around the world to be with me. I can only try to remain worthy of that trust, whatever the cost, and marvel that I was so blessed.
If he doesn't feel that way about her, why is he wasting his time with miss good enough instead of looking for miss right?
MarkD at November 26, 2008 9:04 AM
Vlad brings up an interesting point when he asks if she's social climbing. Maybe she's not, but that could be either the BF or family's preception. It's really strange that they're officially a couple, but he's attending events without her. This indicates that either 1)He doesn't want to present her to his social circle as his girlfriend because she's not good enough (or permanent enough), or 2) BF's family/social circle doesn't want her there.
If he thought they had a future together, he'd want her to come with him.
ahw at November 26, 2008 10:54 AM
I'm just going to play devil's advocate for a second here. It could be that he doesn't take her to these events because he's aware that his family members are a bunch of raging a**holes and he isn't willing to expose her to that. He is obligated to attend but doesn't want her to deal with the buttheads that are his relatives. Of course, if that were the reason, he could just have said so. I don't really think that's the case but it is a possibility.
pakratt at November 26, 2008 2:43 PM
Why is she so determined to ingratiate herself to a family she obviously has contempt for? When she says things like socially prominent family, complete with a long line of sycophants and hangers-on, I'm wondering how objective her opinion is, especially since she's not always included in events where these "sycophants and hangers-on" (whom the bluebloods would probably call "friends") are present.
Patrick at November 27, 2008 4:55 AM
I love Amy's answer to this letter, particularly the phrase: "become somebody who couldn't fathom trying to 'cope' with a guy who balks at presenting her". Great advice. Just to cover all the bases, though, it's possible that the guy may still feel he's only dating, and doesn't have to bring a girlfriend, or the same girl, to every event. Advice columns are rife with boyfriends and girlfriends who feel that they have to be part of every single event in their partner's lives short of bathroom visits (and I don't want to know if those are included as well). Doesn't every wedding these days include that quote about allowing spaces in your togetherness? It doesn't sound like that's the case here, especially given his stupendously lame excuses, but it's worth mentioning.
calyx.teren at November 27, 2008 9:09 AM
I wouldn't want to subject any of my boyfriends to my family, so that is a possibility, but I tell them that's the reason they don't get to meet the nutjobs. He isn't telling her that, so I would assume he's ashamed of her.
Chrissy at November 27, 2008 12:55 PM
Jonathan, is there some reason you copied another one of my columns and pasted it into a comment form and posted it above? I've unpublished it.
Amy Alkon at November 27, 2008 10:37 PM
Well this guy's family doesn't sound like any fun to me. Certainly she must be able to find something else worth doing!
Pirate Jo at November 28, 2008 10:35 AM
I don't always take DH to family things. Sometimes, I just want time with my family. He gets the same. Or maybe his family does draw the line at some events to spouses only, although that doesn't sound like the case here. Either way, she shouldn't be sitting home while he attends these. She should find her own fun thing to do. That way, she's got a life if it is him not really wanting to commit to her, and she's got a life if he does want to. Win win.
momof3 at November 28, 2008 1:34 PM
But, wait! LW is missing out on a really fun opportunity to observe a goofy sub-set of humanity. Believe me, I know these people and it's a blast to eat their canapes and watch the show. And as far as being looked down on? Everybody looks down on everybody whether it's the car you drive, the school you went to, or any of the other million things people use to make themselves out to be better than. I guess it's a healthy self esteem thing, but I just don't take their condescension seriously. I think it's kind of quaint and definitely entertaining. So go, eat, watch. And, if you really want to have fun, join in and bring a score card.
jon at November 29, 2008 1:28 PM
I'm wondering if packratt has a point: the guy has family that he's ashmed of or just doesn't like, and he doesn't want to subject her to that. I'll admit that I don't know why he wouldn't just tell her so; the only thing I can think if is that he doesn't want to spoil her vision of what "high society" is, but it doesn't sound like she has any delusions in that area anyway.
Cousin Dave at December 1, 2008 8:37 AM
I think everyone may be overlooking the obvious. The guy has another girlfriend. He can't take this girlfriend to any events he needs to be seen with the other girlfriend, or where her crowd may see him.
Let me guess? Was he sick on Valentines Day? Came down with something at the last minute?
Jaynie59 at December 1, 2008 10:43 AM
Hmm... that theory would fit the data too.
Cousin Dave at December 2, 2008 1:36 PM
Nothing wrong with a female with no or low self-esteem. Men love women like that; they don't have to 'try hard' to please them...the women 'go with the flow' and never make waves. Men marry them for those reasons...we need lots of low-esteem women to match up with asshole/blow-hards/who-think-they're-God's-gift-to-women....Let them continue on...he'll end up marrying her..she'll get what she wants, he'll be happy.
We Got One In Our Family Also at December 24, 2008 9:53 AM
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