Beak Experience
I recently started dating this new girl. I asked her whether her lips and boobs are real (and it turns out they are). However, I did call her out on having a nose job. She admitted it but seemed kind of upset. It's the truth. And she's beautiful, however she got that way. What's the problem?
--Just Curious
At least you didn't hold her up to the light like a hundred-dollar bill to look for the hologram.
The fact that you have a thought is not reason enough to let it out to roam the streets, exposing itself to the ladies. As I write in "Good Manners for Nice People Who Sometimes Say F*ck," at the root of manners is empathy. So before speaking to someone -- especially someone you're dating -- ask yourself, "Gee, wonder whether she'll feel all warm and fuzzy inside when I point to her boobs and ask, 'Yours or cubic zirconia?'"
The reality is, people often spin the truth to present themselves in a better light, just as businesses do. (Your cable company does not really "value your time," and unless you're a wino, I'm pretty sure Miller High Life is not "the Champagne of beers.") However, evolutionary psychology research by William Tooke and Lori Camire finds that men and women tend to fudge their presentation in different ways. Because women evolved to prioritize men with the ability to "provide," men are far more likely than women to be deceptive about their finances. (You sure don't see women doing as a male friend of mine did. He lived in a dumpy apartment and drove an old Nissan that looked like it got used for soccer practice by Godzilla and Mothra, but he had me take a photo of him for his online dating profile in a beautiful neighborhood -- in front of some stranger's Porsche.)
On the flip side, because men evolved to prioritize physical attractiveness in women (with the features men find beautiful reflecting health and fertility), women are most likely to be deceptive about their looks (those factory installed by the assembly line boss known as Mother Nature). That's why women are extremely sensitive about a man parsing their appearance -- as men are when a woman sizes up their finances and position. So, for the future, keep in mind that there's a reason the term is "beauty secrets" and not "beauty announcements." To reset the balance -- so she isn't insecure about your feelings regarding her appearance -- get in the habit of saying something nice about what she's wearing and if she looks particularly sparkly some night. And do try to maintain perspective on the level of transformation here. She was merely born with a different nose; she wasn't born "Alan" or "Bruce."








LW: And she's beautiful, however she got that way. What's the problem?
Amy's too polite to call you a tactless clod, but I'm not. And if you're so willing to pshaw away "however she got that way," then why did you ask her about whether her parts were real or not?
The only thing she should admit to you is whether she has some contagious disease or some other condition that could adversely affect her relationship with you. The rest is none of your business.
Had she written Amy, I'd be suggesting that she tell you to take a fucking hike.
Patrick at March 17, 2015 7:41 PM
People have cosmetic procedures because they want to correct something they think is wrong with them. If you can TELL she had a nose job, then more than likely she's now going to worry that it doesn't look natural, that it healed badly, that she looks like a freak.
Can you actually explain why you felt the need to "call her out" on having a nose job? Why you felt like you had the right to ask her if her lips/boobs had been enhanced? Because it sounds like you wanted to feel smart, to build yourself up by tearing her down.
If your intention was to make the woman feel bad about herself and her choices in order to make yourself feel clever, then bravo. If your intention was to have sex EVER again, then you done fucked up, son.
The Original Kit at March 17, 2015 7:43 PM
When I was younger I wanted a nose job. Not because I have a big or a wide or an ugly nose. Mine is thin and proportional. I just love subtle nose jobs like Halle Berry's, Scarlett Johanson's, or Kim Kardashian's FIRST one. But then..I saw two really bad ones and I did not want to do it anymore. They looked off. Plus Keira Knightley has always looked like someone permanently scrunched up her nose with an invisible clothes pin.
Fake lips look like a combination of puckered hemorrhoid covered assholes and fish mouths . The only fake boobs I like are the way Japanese porn stars do 'em. Reasonable size, under the muscle, fat injection. Mia Khalifa has great fake ones too. But the rest look like someone took two grapefruits and glued them to a cutting board. I never saw the point cuz you gotta take them out every 10 years and they feel terrible. Fake butts either look like you're wearing a soggy diarrhead diaper or two balloons were inflated in between your cheeks. Then you have fillers, which make faces look like melted Barbie doll heads that were stuck in the freezer.
Aside from being a giant jerk why did he keep hounding her regarding enhancements? Did she look a certain way?
Ppen at March 18, 2015 1:08 AM
Did he also call her out on her lipstick? How about the eye liner?
Ben at March 18, 2015 8:26 AM
What's with the self-righteous need to "call people out" for sh*t that's none of your business?
ahw at March 18, 2015 8:35 AM
Wait - "started dating" - did she go out with him *again*?!
I'd feel so much better if this letter started with, "I just got dumped by... ."
Michelle at March 18, 2015 10:13 AM
Fake lips look like a combination of puckered hemorrhoid covered assholes and fish mouths ... Fake butts either look like you're wearing a soggy diarrhead diaper or two balloons were inflated in between your cheeks. Then you have fillers, which make faces look like melted Barbie doll heads that were stuck in the freezer.
Damn, Ppen!
I'm with everybody else -- where does this guy get the idea he has a right to "call out" the girl on her looks?
Maybe he was thinking about that story of the man in China whose beautiful wife gave birth to an unattractive child. After he found out that she had undergone extensive plastic surgery prior to meeting him, he divorced her for her deceit. But that story is bunch of nonsense.
Old RPM Daddy (OldRPMDaddy at GMail dot com) at March 18, 2015 12:36 PM
As much fun as it may be to play the "is it live or is it Memorex" game in your own head (and hey, we all do it), don't do it out loud. Especially not with women that you're trying to impress. Sheesh.
(BTW, despite the commercials with Ella Fitzgerald, Memorex cassettes were crap. Back in the day, most self-respecting home recordists used Maxell or TDK.)
Cousin Dave at March 18, 2015 12:51 PM
Ppen, you do have a way of undressing a woman.
Michelle at March 18, 2015 8:52 PM
If your intention was to make the woman feel bad about herself and her choices in order to make yourself feel clever, then bravo. If your intention was to have sex EVER again, then you done fucked up, son.
I dunno. I sometimes stop by websites that talk about "Game", and they say that the way to get a woman to have sex with you is to make her feel insecure about herself. Telling her she's beautiful, they say, just gets you friendzoned.
I don't have a personal view on this one way or the other; I've been out of the game too long.
Rex Little at March 18, 2015 9:00 PM
Michelle I've just lived in SoCal too long. You think about these things when you're living in an upper middle class neighborhood.
Ppen at March 19, 2015 12:57 AM
I dunno. I sometimes stop by websites that talk about "Game", and they say that the way to get a woman to have sex with you is to make her feel insecure about herself. Telling her she's beautiful, they say, just gets you friendzoned.
"Negging," is what it's called. And, "Hey, nice fake lashes!" is one of the most common negs that gets suggested.
"Nice fake lashes" is borderline at best. "Hey, you've got a fake nose" crosses that border for sure. And most of the guys who are turning to the pick-up industry are ... let us say ... not exactly socially savvy. So, from them, negging often comes across as awkward and insulting.
... Besides, there's another method that actually works just fine -- "playful teasing," the charming, silver-fox father of "negging."
sofar at March 19, 2015 12:38 PM
In Pittsburgh, we just put french fries on the salads. This way one's curves take care of themselves.
Michelle at March 19, 2015 4:00 PM
Michelle, don't forget Primanti's, fries and coleslaw on a sandwich! Damn I miss them.
Kat at March 19, 2015 5:15 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2015/03/beak-experience.html#comment-5913272">comment from MichelleRe: curves, Michelle, I'm reminded of a Callahan cartoon:
http://www.callahanonline.com/calhat10.htm
Amy Alkon
at March 19, 2015 5:26 PM
Kat, I miss them too. And a "small" bag of fries from The Dirty O.
Amy, great cartoon. I miss seeing Callahan's work in the weekly paper.
Michelle at March 19, 2015 7:55 PM
However, I did call her out on having a nose job. . . . And she's beautiful, however she got that way.
Call her out? Why on earth would you do that? Don't you know that's what Bloodhounds do. And she "got that way" by having dog genes. Duh.
JD at March 19, 2015 8:49 PM
It's really nice to have a guy tell you he thinks you are beautiful. VERY nice ... But it can put me "on guard". Hmmmm, so now he's thinking about sex. Which, to clarify, is not a bad thing. But to have a guy smile sincerely and say "wow, I'm having a great time here, you are so much fun to be with!" ... THAT's hot. And ... Never underestimate the power of "you look wonderful!"
BeccaB at March 20, 2015 9:44 AM
What's with the self-righteous need to "call people out" for sh*t that's none of your business?
Precisely. He sure does like to be right, which he will have plenty of opportunities to be, all by himself.
Pirate Jo at March 21, 2015 7:57 AM
Pirate Jo: He sure does like to be right, which he will have plenty of opportunities to be, all by himself.
He'd be better off by himself if he likes to be right. Don't forget, he assumed her lips and breasts are fake, which they weren't, before he guessed correctly on the nose job. 1 out of 3 is not good.
Again, if this woman had written Amy, instead of this jackass she's got for a boyfriend, I'd be advising her to leave this one to the curb with her footprint across his ass.
Patrick at March 21, 2015 5:59 PM
Aspergers sprung to my mind.
laurie at March 24, 2015 4:03 PM
Asperger's Syndrome?
Laurfie at March 25, 2015 12:33 PM
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