Rise And Spine
My fiance is good friends with his ex-girlfriend from college. (We're all in our 30s.) She isn't a romantic threat, but she's become a source of stress. Long before I met my boyfriend, they began hanging out at a local bar together twice a week. They still do this, and I go along, but I've increasingly found these evenings a draining time-suck. When I don't want to go, my fiance hangs at home with me. This prompts a tantrum from his ex-girlfriend, complete with a barrage of angry texts. I've tried reasoning with her, but she claims that when he was single, he "dragged (her) out constantly" so he still owes her. My boyfriend is a laid-back, nonconfrontational kind of guy and just says she needs to calm down.
--No Wonder They Broke Up
They've translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, and it turns out they're actually a 900-page list of everything this "friend" has ever done for your fiance.
Okay, when he was single, maybe he "dragged (her) out constantly." Unless he did this by unchaining her from the wall and yanking her to the bar on a choke collar, it was up to her to decline. Gotta love the notion that her companionship led to some unwritten indentured frienditude contract that he still owes big on. (One person's friendship is another's mob extortion scheme.)
It's your fiance's job to be "reasoning" with his friend, not yours. (You're marrying the guy, not adopting him and trying to get him into a good preschool.) You excuse his passivity by describing him as a "laid-back, nonconfrontational kind of guy." Well, there's laid-back, and there's confusing onlookers as to whether you're a person or a paperweight.
The thing is, whether somebody gets to abuse you is usually up to you. In other words, your fiance needs to grow a pair (or at least crochet a pair and pop 'em in) and then get on the phone. Tell him that he needs to tell this woman -- calmly and firmly -- something like, "You know, lovey, I've got a fiancee now, and I can't be as available as I used to be." He needs to shut down the abusive text storm the same way, telling her, "Not acceptable. Cut it out," and then block her number if she keeps up the telephone thuggery.
Sure, it's uncomfortable standing up to a person who's been treating you badly -- an uncomfortable and necessary part of adult life. It's how you send the message "Nuh-uh...no more" instead of "Forever your tool." And here's a tip: You don't need to feel all cuddly and good about confronting somebody; you just need to do it, as opposed to cowering in fear as the Bing! Bing! Bings! of their texted multi-part tantrum come in on your phone. Start encouraging assertiveness in your fiance now, and keep letting him know how much you admire all the steps he takes. He could soon be a man who's got your back when there's trouble -- and not just in the corner of his eye as he curls up in a fetal position and whimpers, "Donnnn't hurrrrt meeee!"








Gee, I can't imagine why Ms. CrazyBritches can't find other people to hang out with her.
If the lw's fiance wants to be nonconfrontational, why doesn't he just block her number?
Erica at July 7, 2015 10:48 PM
Guys like this aren't just being pussies they enjoy the attention. Think about how guys work. They don't chill with people unless they want to and certainly don't talk to women on a daily basis unless they get something out of it. They're not chatty for the sake of being chatty... Women WILL chill with people they don't like and talk to people they don't like out of fear of coming off rude.
People with poor boundaries tend to be terrible friends and partners. They will choose the shitty person they're obsessed with over your well being.
Look at the close friends your partner has. It will tell you alot about them.
Ppen at July 8, 2015 1:25 AM
Ppen swings and hits it out of the park. Fiance keeps hanging out with his ex because it's the type of relationship he's used to. The only thing the LW can do is point this out and then see if the fiance makes an effort to work on it. If not, then LW may have to make a tough decision.
Cousin Dave at July 8, 2015 7:36 AM
She can also tell the boyfriend that the she's not interested in hanging out with the crazypants girlfriend at all anymore. One instance of that kind of abuse and I'd be blocking her number and telling the boyfriend that he can hang with her if he wants but I'm out. Who needs that kind of crap?!?!? Already the boyfriend has chosen to hang with her at home when she doesn't want to go so she's probably on solid ground, or she can suggest going to different places if they still want to go out (out to dinner, a different bar where ex-gf is not there). And if boyfriend decided to still spend a 1-2 evenings a week with the crazypants? well then that tells you something too.
chickia at July 8, 2015 8:34 AM
Wow, if you two can't navigate through the bizarre hold this woman child has on your man, it's prob not smart to marry just yet or reproduce until you guys can.
Yolabubbles at July 10, 2015 11:57 AM
LW, there's a hint of 'back burner' in the way your fiance is treating his ex. Why else would she stick around, if he weren't dangling a chance of getting back together in front of her? Why hasn't she told him to pound sand and found herself a new boyfriend?
IMHO you have to have a serious discussion with your fiance about cutting all contact with this woman, and then watch how he responds.
Kat at July 11, 2015 1:35 PM
"Why else would she stick around, if he weren't dangling a chance of getting back together in front of her? "
If she's a serious Cluster B, he may be doing it to keep her mollified and not cause him trouble. Nonetheless, he needs to find a way to break that off. (That's an endeavor in which the LW will probably have to play a role, if she wants to stay with him.)
Cousin Dave at July 13, 2015 8:27 AM
So, what's gonna happen a couple years from now when you have kids? She gonna expect him to come hang in the bar?
People grow up, part of that process is not hanging out in a bar with your single ex.
NicoleK at July 20, 2015 12:09 AM
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