Wuthering Fights
My friend says that you only find out who somebody truly is when you break up with them. He suggests that I pick a few fights with anybody I'm dating so I can see their true colors. Is this really a wise idea?
--Skeptical
If you really want to see what a person's made of, after goading them into a fight, you might do a lung capacity test, like by holding them down and trying to drown them in a bathtub.
Though it seems an obviously bad idea to pick petty arguments, your friend has a point -- that you don't find out who somebody really is when the most pressing question they're asked is, "Do you need a few more minutes to look at the menu, monsieur?" What comes out in the early stages of dating is temperament more than character. In social psychology, temperament is basically what "flavor" a person is -- introverted or extraverted, loud or quiet, happy or glum. Character is values-driven behavior -- meaning whether a person's likely to do what's right as opposed to what's easiest. (Like if there's a landslide, do they try to save you or just wave goodbye?)
Character is mostly revealed in two ways: over time and through stress. To speed up the character revelation timetable, do challenging activities together -- the sort in which "party manners" are hard to maintain: Camp. Go on a high-stakes scavenger hunt. Go on a juice fast. Go on a juice fast while camping. Who a person really is can't help but come out when they're in the middle of the woods with you, they haven't eaten solid food in a week, and a hiker walks by with a bag of Doritos. (It's the little things that count -- like how they lovingly brush that telltale orange dust out of your hair before the cops come.)








These are excellent activities to try out. You may also want to attend a function above your social level, such as a charity event where you dress to the nines, to see how he behaves in unusual social situations.
Bill Peschel at October 6, 2015 5:28 PM
Wallpaper a room together. This wouldn't be a good stress test if one of you happens to be a terrific wallpaperer.
NancyB at October 6, 2015 6:54 PM
Why do women think it's such a great idea to shit-test their partners? Doesn't life have enough stress already? Stay together and you'll find out soon enough in the normal course of events. Why do you want to create more? Have an iota of respect for your partner. He's a human being, not your personal robot servant.
Cousin Dave at October 6, 2015 9:50 PM
If you start picking fights for the hell of it, I hope your partner figures out what YOUR character is
NicoleK at October 7, 2015 2:08 AM
Huh, Dave, I assumed the LW was a guy.
NicoleK at October 7, 2015 2:09 AM
Well, NicoleK, I wonder what this says about us? I'm like Dave, I assumed the LW was a college age-sh female.
Whichever, deliberately doing stressful activities seems like the opposite of productive. I get the idea that if your partner at their worst is still lovable, then you might be a good match, but still, I'm with Dave. Someone who deliberately causes stress in your life is not a good person to be around. I say this as someone who enjoys camping, and who just road tripped to a marathon with a friend couple. (Yes, a couple of friends, but they're husband and wife, too.)
I think you ought to do the things you want to do. If none of them involve enough effort to possibly be stressful, then that tells you something right there. If someone handles situations with aplomb that you find stressful, like camping or training to run really far, that tells you something. And if they really don't want to juice fast for a week (! is this really a thing?!), because that sounds like an absolutely miserable thing to do and they might kill someone while trying, well, that tells you something, too.
SlowMindThinking at October 7, 2015 7:12 AM
Watch how they treat waiters and waitresses. Also, work on any kind of project with them such as home renos. How do they react to the inevitable problems?
Do not create problems just to see how they react.
Steamerq at October 7, 2015 8:34 AM
"Watch how they treat waiters and waitresses."
This is a big one. A lot of Cluster B's (male and female) who otherwise do a good job of keeping the mask on in public, somehow feel free to let it all hang out when they interact with wait staff in restaurants. How they treat waiters and waitresses is a good indicator.
Cousin Dave at October 7, 2015 8:41 AM
Life has enough stress, it will happen soon enough, no need to make yourself an ass to find out if your partner might be one.
Plenty of things signal what they are really like: what are their friends like, birds of a feather; how are they like when either of you are sick, how they treat others, wait staff, other drivers, exes.
Joe J at October 7, 2015 12:29 PM
Time.
Just wait, and observe. sh*t-tests are stupid because they cause resentment...
But if you observe, like in a restaurant, lots can be seen. Like do they order the #4 combo plate, but then change everything? Then get impatient with the waitress, because then it's no longer a #4?
It's little stuff, which sadly, sometimes you just laugh off.
LW, put it this way... pick a fight with someone who isn't having that, and you just might end it unintentionally.
Personally I don't like fighting, and someone who picked a fight with me, would see the end...
Pay attention to what happens and DON'T for god's sake RUSH.
SwissArmyD at October 7, 2015 6:29 PM
I used to watch The Amazing Race and fantasize about going all those wonderful places together ... with someone other than my ex. Cause I knew something mortifyingly embarrassing to me would happen if I went with him.
gooseegg at October 7, 2015 8:34 PM
If someone picks a fight and I figure it out, it signals that the person is high drama and possibly manipulative. I'm likely to conclude that I'm not compatible and go.
JT at October 8, 2015 5:05 AM
Women don't usually need advice about giving shit-tests. It comes natural to most of them.
ken at October 15, 2015 8:11 PM
I understand the desire to see someone's character and agree that setting someone up is an odd and manipulative tactic. One of the ways that I more deeply understood the character of the man I was dating was listening to him with member services on the phone, he was such an irrational ass that I learned what I don't want in a partner.
LaurenKat at October 17, 2015 12:30 PM
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https://www.advicegoddess.com/ag-column-archives/2015/10/wuthering-fight.html#comment-6252355">comment from LaurenKatThat's great, LaurenKat.
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