It's Always Darkest After The Spawn
I'm an unhappily married 30-year-old woman. I've been with my husband for 10 years, but we only got married seven months ago. We argue almost daily, and he spends all of his time working. Because we fight so much, the thought of him touching me has become repulsive, so we are rarely intimate. Though these problems long preceded our marriage, I felt I needed to move forward in life (marry, have kids, etc.), so I went through with the wedding. I recently got sexually involved with a co-worker, and I think I'm falling in love with him. We have all the loving passion I don't with my husband. However, I want to have children before I'm 35. My husband can afford to raise a family, and my co-worker cannot. I can't go on like this much longer, and I don't know what to do.
--Miserable
Getting married is supposed to be something you do when you find the right person, not whichever person happens to be right next to you when the clock above your ovaries strikes "HolyshitWe're30!"
Sure, there comes a point in a woman's life when conceiving and carrying a baby to term is miraculous to the point where unicorns should be pawing at the delivery room door. But keep in mind that even good marriages get strained by the addition of children, thanks to the poo-splosions, sleep deprivation (a form of torture violating the Geneva Conventions), and mystery rashes that look just like Ebola when you Google them at 3:03 a.m.
It's also seriously unfair to bring kids into a marriage that's tanking. Sociologist Paul Amato calls children "the innocent victims of their parents' inability to maintain harmonious and stable homes." Reviewing the research on divorce's effects on children, Amato explains that "compared with children with continuously married parents, children with divorced parents ... score significantly lower on measures of academic achievement, conduct, psychological adjustment, self-concept, and social relations." This isn't to say enemy combatant parents who stay together are doing right by their kids. Amato notes that some studies show that children in "high-conflict households ... are worse off than children with divorced parents."
Obviously, staying together "for the children" is a particularly bad idea when you and the husband you despise don't even have the little buggers yet. So why did you make this "repulsive" guy your husband instead of your ex-boyfriend? It probably has something to do with our tendency to engage in ego-protecting "self-justification." Psychologist Elliot Aronson finds that we are prone to refuse to acknowledge our mistakes -- even when they're banging us over the head with a leftover wedding centerpiece. Our denial allows us to keep seeing ourselves as smart people who make good choices. Which keeps us mired in our bad choices.
There is a way out, and it's gritting our teeth and admitting mistakes instead of marrying them and making little bundles of stressjoy with them. For you, admitting that you screwed up by marrying this guy -- the first step in unmarrying him -- would take accepting the potential cost: You might not find a suitable candidate for daddyhood in time (or ever). Yes, that would be rough -- but so would the possible alternative: having an adorable pair of twins who go to Harvard -- because it's a great place to mug dazed freshmen so they can feed their staggering meth habit.








@"Because we fight so much, the thought of him touching me has become repulsive, so we are rarely intimate"
I bet the reason you're fighting (and that he 'works all the time') is *because* you are rarely intimate. Try set aside your 'repulsion' and treat him to some intimacy, which he is probably sorely missing. I bet his mood and your whole relationship will improve.
But then I'm going to venture a guess you probably weren't that attracted to him in the first place, but married him because he can afford to pay for your lifestyle that includes screwing someone behind his back (with some guy who is able to be less stressed and more fun to be around, one, because he isn't working hard to pay to raise your kids for you, and two, because you're actually giving this other guy intimacy).
What you're doing to your husband is vile, it's disgusting, you should be ashamed. There is no way to justify it with post hoc rationalizations.
Lobster at January 19, 2016 5:11 PM
LW, you need to split with your husband right now *before* you get kids involved in this mess. If you think it's complicated now, this will be a thousand times stickier if you have kids together.
Be fair to your husband and give him a chance to find someone else who actually loves him and treats him right.
If your co-worker can't afford to pay for kids, tough, you'll have to find someone else who can (you're 30, you still have some time) - you aren't entitled to ruin your husband's life, and his only chance of maybe still finding happiness with someone else, just because you want kids.
And please, stop playing the victim here.
Lobster at January 19, 2016 5:25 PM
Again we have it... Alpha Fux & Beta Bux
Snoopy at January 19, 2016 5:46 PM
I just have to say ewwwwww.
Ben at January 19, 2016 7:48 PM
NEVER EVER EVER HAVE KIDS
You are being influenced by a biological urge, not a well thought out goal.
Any children you have will despise you
lujlp at January 19, 2016 9:30 PM
Having been deceived by my first wife for 12 years I feel for this guy HOWEVER I also know first hand that it is unlikely that he does not 'know' how she feels.
I wish Amy had been able to write the guy and simply say "Go to counseling ASAP!". It would not change anything but would push him down the path to divorce.
My 'civil' advice is to go to counseling as soon as intimacy stops.
My 'real' advice is to simply "Marry early to get the first one out of the way. Move on once you realize that an early marriage was too early. Keep the kids out of it and see/talk to them daily."
Bob in Texas at January 20, 2016 7:15 AM
@"Alpha Fux & Beta Bux"
Yup.
Imagine how lonely and painful this must be for the poor husband. Nobody who actually loves him or cares for him at home, while he works hard to help pay for what she wants in life, while she's out giving love and intimacy to someone else.
IMO, I think the 'right thing to do' in this case would be:
- End things with her husband immediately
- Explain it's NOT his fault but hers
- Come clean and confess that she is in love with someone else and has been cheating
- Tell him she's deeply sorry for hurting him and for not being there taking care of him and loving him as she was supposed to
- Tell him he deserves someone better who actually loves him
- Help him as much as possible during the divorce process
- Help him find someone new to show she cares about his happiness and to make up for the destruction and years of his life she wasted
- Tell him she isn't going to try claim 50% of anything (or anything at all), and stick to that
- Accept that maybe she might not have kids in time, and understand that this is mainly her own fault for treating her husband and marriage so poorly ... and that she will have to live with that
I'm secular, but this is the type of woman that needs Christian values to live ethically and successfully maintain a partnership. Combine feminism and modern alimony laws with secularism and you have this epidemic of feral women behaving like this in Western society.
Lobster at January 20, 2016 7:32 AM
"I am a lying, cheating fraud. What should I do?"
Stop lying, stop cheating, make reparations and move on.
Reparations, you say? Yes, you were taking a man's money under the pretext of a legal, but sham marriage. You owe him the truth and you owe him what you took from him. You can't give him back the part of his life you wasted, so the balance will never be even.
This will, of course, never happen.
MarkD at January 20, 2016 9:30 AM
Wanting to have kids doesn't mean you should have kids
Sucks, but tough noogies.
I've seen people in arranged marriages where they don't really *like* each other or where the wife thinks the husband is a disgusting moron (or vice versa). But these people have divorced the notion of "passion" from "marriage" anyway, so they are able to create a stable, healthy home environment for their kids.
LW does not seem to have the ability to do that.
sofar at January 20, 2016 10:11 AM
Oh dear lord. Please do not be so amazingly selfish as to bring children into this sham of a marriage.
All of the criticism of the LW is certainly justified, but I have to point out the possibility that she's not the only one creeping around here. They don't get along, they don't have sex, he's always working, he hasn't noticed that she's been fucking someone else... It's entirely possible he has a piece of ass on the side. Either way, they don't belong together.
Ahw at January 20, 2016 11:05 AM
I hear ISIS is looking for a few "good women".
Bob in Texas at January 20, 2016 12:05 PM
Lobster
Not going to happen. If she hates him that much she will go the whole nine yards.
I Wouldn't surprised at all if she uses lawyers to abuse her husband in divorce court and be done with it. She'd get a steady flow of alimony cash plus a house so she can raise the kids she wants to.
Sixclaws at January 20, 2016 2:09 PM
@Bob in Texas
Best answer ever!!
nico@REI at January 20, 2016 4:01 PM
Get the marriage annulled if you can given its under a year. Part ways. Don't try to fight over alimony, etc. Give him his freedom and take yours. The marriage was the mistake. It should never have happened. Do not double down - eat your peas now.
ElVerdeLoco at January 21, 2016 9:49 AM
Alimony? Seriously? What decade are y'all living in? Unless she has a disability that prevents her from working, she has zero chance of getting alimony....which is as it should be. And being a shitty excuse for a human being is not a disability.
Erica at January 21, 2016 7:08 PM
Still depends on your state Erica. Sad, but there is it.
Ben at January 22, 2016 12:06 PM
I read this as she wants to have boyfriends babies while married to husband. Maybe husband forced himself on her and turned her off from him. But her Right Thing to Do meter is broken.
Feris at January 22, 2016 8:32 PM
Get a divorce ASAP, break up with him, it is over.
You can still have kids before 35, but you need to hustle, end this, work on your issues, meet someone and do this all rather quickly. Make a decision and go with it. If co-worker is not the right one either, don't pursue that, you don't have time to waste fucking around.
You know you're being a shit to your husband, and you know you are wasting time so end it today.
You have to really hurry and de-shitify yourself, but it can be done.
NicoleK at January 23, 2016 8:41 AM
Though these problems long preceded our marriage, I felt I needed to move forward in life (marry, have kids, etc.), so I went through with the wedding.
OK, that explains why you went through with the wedding. Why the bloody hell did he?
Rex Little at January 23, 2016 7:09 PM
And Rex offers up the $20,000,000 question!
Ian at January 23, 2016 10:14 PM
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