Pinker Shears Spelke
From Edge.org, evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker, author of the brilliant book, The Blank Slate, data-slaps psychologist Elizabeth Spelke on the nature vs. nurture argument. She pulls out data, too -- weak examples. Here's the intro to the debate from Pinker:
For those of you who just arrived from Mars, there has been a certain amount of discussion here at Harvard on a particular datum, namely the under-representation of women among tenure-track faculty in elite universities in physical science, math, and engineering. Here are some recent numbers:As with many issues in psychology, there are three broad ways to explain this phenomenon. One can imagine an extreme "nature" position: that males but not females have the talents and temperaments necessary for science. Needless to say, only a madman could take that view. The extreme nature position has no serious proponents.
There is an extreme "nurture" position: that males and females are biologically indistinguishable, and all relevant sex differences are products of socialization and bias.
Then there are various intermediate positions: that the difference is explainable by some combination of biological differences in average temperaments and talents interacting with socialization and bias.
Liz has embraced the extreme nurture position. There is an irony here, because in most discussions in cognitive science she and I are put in the same camp, namely the "innatists," when it comes to explaining the mind. But in this case Liz has said that there is "not a shred of evidence" for the biological factor, that "the evidence against there being an advantage for males in intrinsic aptitude is so overwhelming that it is hard for me to see how one can make a case at this point on the other side," and that "it seems to me as conclusive as any finding I know of in science."
Well we certainly aren't seeing the stereotypical gender difference in confidence here! Now, I'm a controversial guy. I've taken many controversial positions over the years, and, as a member of Homo sapiens, I think I am right on all of them. But I don't think that in any of them I would say there is "not a shred of evidence" for the other side, even if I think that the evidence favors one side. I would not say that the other side "can't even make a case" for their position, even if I think that their case is not as good as the one I favor. And as for saying that a position is "as conclusive as any finding in science" — well, we're talking about social science here! This statement would imply that the extreme nurture position on gender differences is more conclusive than, say the evidence that the sun is at the center of the solar system, for the laws of thermodynamics, for the theory of evolution, for plate tectonics, and so on.
These are extreme statements — especially in light of the fact that an enormous amount of research, summarized in these and many other literature reviews, in fact points to a very different conclusion. I'll quote from one of them, a book called Sex Differences in Cognitive Ability by Diane Halpern. She is a respected psychologist, recently elected as president of the American Psychological Association, and someone with no theoretical axe to grind. She does not subscribe to any particular theory, and has been a critic, for example, of evolutionary psychology. And here what she wrote in the preface to her book:
"At the time I started writing this book it seemed clear to me that any between sex differences in thinking abilities were due to socialization practices, artifacts, and mistakes in the research. After reviewing a pile of journal articles that stood several feet high, and numerous books and book chapters that dwarfed the stack of journal articles, I changed my mind. The literature on sex differences in cognitive abilities is filled with inconsistent findings, contradictory theories, and emotional claims that are unsupported by the research. Yet despite all the noise in the data, clear and consistent messages could be heard. There are real and in some cases sizable sex differences with respect to some cognitive abilities. Socialization practices are undoubtedly important, but there is also good evidence that biological sex differences play a role in establishing and maintaining cognitive sex differences, a conclusion I wasn't prepared to make when I began reviewing the relevant literature."This captures my assessment perfectly.
Again for the benefit of the Martians in this room: This isn't just any old issue in empirical psychology. There are obvious political colorings to it, and I want to begin with a confession of my own politics. I am a feminist. I believe that women have been oppressed, discriminated against, and harassed for thousands of years. I believe that the two waves of the feminist movement in the 20th century are among the proudest achievements of our species, and I am proud to have lived through one of them, including the effort to increase the representation of women in the sciences.
But it is crucial to distinguish the moral proposition that people should not be discriminated against on account of their sex — which I take to be the core of feminism — and the empirical claim that males and females are biologically indistinguishable. They are not the same thing. Indeed, distinguishing them is essential to protecting the core of feminism. Anyone who takes an honest interest in science has to be prepared for the facts on a given issue to come out either way. And that makes it essential that we not hold the ideals of feminism hostage to the latest findings from the lab or field. Otherwise, if the findings come out as showing a sex difference, one would either have to say, "I guess sex discrimination wasn't so bad after all," or else furiously suppress or distort the findings so as to preserve the ideal. The truth cannot be sexist. Whatever the facts turn out to be, they should not be taken to compromise the core of feminism.
It's a long piece, but it's worth reading.







I've taught "upper" elementary school for thirteen years, and I have observed (unscientifically) throughout this time that more girls in my classes show an interest in math and science than boys. Plus, these girls earn grades that are as high as or higher than boys in these same subjects! But these are the same girls who aspire to be rock stars or actresses, or other realistic careers. I beg them--even at their young ages--to consider marine biology (for example), but the little darlings aren't even remotely interested, especially when their moms come to conferences and sheepishly admit that they want their daughters to be pageant queens or cheerleaders. I'm leaning on the "nurture" side, in other words, but I have to readily agree that males and females are "naturally" different. This sounds like fascinating reading.
Tired Teacher at May 11, 2005 7:36 PM
Just curious what the generally accepted (and allowed) length of excerpting from other peoples work is. Not being critical, but just asking. I just notice a whole lot more on this blog than many others.
steve at May 11, 2005 8:13 PM
If you read a lot of evolutionary psychology (the kind that's supported by good data), you can't help but come to the conclusions Pinker does. Think about where socialization comes from -- biology, obviously!
Regarding posting length, I try to put enough in to detail the subject fairly and inspire people to go to the link.
Amy Alkon at May 12, 2005 12:16 AM
The qestion was not about length of posts, but the amount of excerpting of other peoples work.
steve at May 12, 2005 10:40 AM
Pinker's Blank Slate is a must read, IMO.
Todd Fletcher at May 12, 2005 1:32 PM
Actually Amy maintains the appropriate balance between personal views and material from other sources. That said, there is no protocol. One of the functions of a blog is to alert readers to good stuff found elsewhere on the Net. And to bolster the perspective of the blogger and, usually, their readers. Blogs that are nothing more than diaries can be downright dull, full of navel gazing (unless one's observations are superbly written and full of insights like Montaigne, a rare occurence. I come to this particular blog both because of the opinions expressed by the writer and because she oftentimes turns up some swell commentary from others.
Tired Teacher may well be right; motivation starts shifting during adolescent years. But it's been my experience that young women who really dig science will not be thrown off course (I think of Sally Ride). What Pinker and Summers were discussing though were the extremes, the geniuses who go on to get patents, and lead the pack in the best universities and engineering firms. Mostly men. Just as the male sex makes up most of the dolts.
tom merle at May 13, 2005 12:23 AM
...socialization comes from -- biology, obviously!
That's not what evolutionary psychology actually says, and it makes no more sense than saying "biology comes from socialization, obviously!" because we decide who to fuck on the basis of our socialization. According to that view, biology would simply be the memory of social forces acting throughout time.
Evolutionary psychology is not a "get out of jail free" card in the nature vs. nurture debate.
Richard Bennett at May 13, 2005 5:41 PM
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