"Because We're Asian?"
It's 1:50 in the morning. A bunch of guys who've come out of a poorly run bar in my neighborhood are parked on my street, four feet from the property line of all the houses on my block, and they are making lots of noise. Lucy starts barking and my neighbor's baby starts crying.
I go outside and point out that they are just feet away from houses, and they need to be more considerate next time. When I told one of the guys my dog barked he started disputing it. "I didn't hear the dog barking...I didn't hear the dog barking."
Uh, don't care. Not the point. I was only outside in my pajamas because they were making noise in front of my house, I said. Still no apology. In fact, the guy (the one in the black) just continued, "I didn't hear the dog barking."
I told him they were clearly badly raised.
"Are you saying that because we're Asian?" the guy asked. Unbelievable.
"No," I told him, "Because you're loud, inconsiderate assholes."







In fairness though, most of the Asians I know are less inclined to play the race victim card at every turn than other races.
Nick S at June 20, 2009 6:15 AM
A properly placed sprinkler can do wonders. "OOps, I was watering my...lawn?"
momof4 at June 20, 2009 6:36 AM
You're pretty brave to confront these drunken assholes on the front lawn. I would set up the sprinkers as per momof4's suggestion and direct them to the sidewalk. Then when the assholes are in position, just turn them on. It would be like hosing down a rabid dog (and would be great for a laugh-make sure to record it so we can watch!)
Chrissy at June 20, 2009 7:17 AM
The race and gender card have become so powerful that these people think they can do no wrong. If you point out their bad behavior, sometimes even their criminal behavior, it's because you're racist, not because they are behaving badly.
They have become so brainwashed they think they can do no wrong.
You could have added that you're clueless inconsiderate assholes.
But being clueless I'm sure they would have missed the point.
David M. at June 20, 2009 7:25 AM
P.S. To bad that stop sign in the backround didn't say "Stop Being Idiots."
David M. at June 20, 2009 7:26 AM
Where's Harold?
Eric at June 20, 2009 7:39 AM
I dunno if that's brave, but I consider it foolish.
I mean, please. A redheaded cookie comes out to talk to me in her pajamas, I'd only want to find out what was wrong and fix it to impress her, if I could, but there are a lot of belligerent drunks.
Come to think of it, you're from NY. You probably hit harder than a lot of guys. I hope!
Radwaste at June 20, 2009 8:22 AM
So is anyone who's not white, black, or latin called 'asian' in LA? Because I'm not sure that these guys would have identified themselves as such on the east coast. They look like they're from one of the pacific island groups.
Jack at June 20, 2009 8:36 AM
Assholes for being loud, but kind enough to pose for a picture. Did you take the photo before or after you talked to them?
Amanda at June 20, 2009 9:20 AM
I shouldn't assume that you took the picture yourself, Amy. I meant to ask how you got a picture of them.
Amanda at June 20, 2009 9:23 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/06/is-it-because-w-1.html#comment-1654888">comment from AmandaThey weren't being kind, they were being assholes, proud noisemakers. It was after the conversation with them.
Polite people would apologize, be quiet and that would be that. I am always conscious if I park in a neighborhood, of being courteous of those who live there. At 2 a.m., when you're outside somebody's house, if you're talking loudly, you're likely to wake them and neighborhood dogs. And this was the second time this happened that evening. The others left around midnight after standing outside (about 10 of them in two vehicles) yammering and laughing loudly for about 10 minutes.
Amy Alkon
at June 20, 2009 9:24 AM
Oh damn, I have to use this line once in my life...
This might be fun. I mean, with the race-card seems to be owned by everybody, why a bald, white guy with a Roman-Catholic background can't use it?
Toubrouk at June 20, 2009 9:43 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/06/is-it-because-w-1.html#comment-1654893">comment from ToubroukHilarious, Tou.
Amy Alkon
at June 20, 2009 9:45 AM
Well Amy, if Non-Caucasians are ready to assume that all whites are racists if they dare voice their opinions, why can't I do the same?
There's something vicious in the whole "You are saying that because I am (Insert Minority Here)". As if crying racism was the ultimate key to win even the most outlandish debate, those two Asian morons being the proof.
For this little stunt to work, one's need to feel ashamed of being White. It's the bromide served since the '70 by all the Leftists of the world; Blame the strong for your shortcomings! The very idea that the "Race-Card" even exist is mind-boggling for me!
Oh well, I never owned another human as a piece of farm equipment so they are better wake-up early to try that shame tactic on me.
Toubrouk at June 20, 2009 10:56 AM
Grasshopper, you have learned well.
Deny the premise and turn it around on them.
Besides, they're douchebags.
brian at June 20, 2009 11:53 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/06/is-it-because-w-1.html#comment-1654904">comment from ToubroukIt was just amazing to me. It was so easy for him to assume I was out there in my pajamas asking them to be quiet simply because they're Asian (what, do I have some sort of Asian radar that allows me to see through blinds, over a high fence?).
Much easier for them than admitting the obvious: They're loud and rude!
Amy Alkon
at June 20, 2009 11:57 AM
Yeah, everyone knows Asians are loud and pushy - but they're very good with money.
Ben-David at June 20, 2009 12:22 PM
Do these guys have a clue about their heritage at all? Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Pyrenees, fine, but "Asian"? How generic is that?
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at June 20, 2009 1:53 PM
> Where's Harold?
Got that! Got that!
Crid [CommentCrid@gmail.com] at June 20, 2009 3:44 PM
I kinda wish you had gone all Clint Eastwood on their asses.
Tyler at June 20, 2009 4:38 PM
Now, if it were Sotomayer, she'd ask, "Are you saying that because I'm a wise Latina woman?"
But it wouldn't be racist. No, you have to be a white heterosexual male to be a racist.
Patrick at June 21, 2009 5:29 AM
Sotomayer- May have scolded you for the lack of having "richness of experience."
If you were more rich in your experience you wouldn't mind being woken up at 2am by cluless assholes.
Guess you need tolerance and diversity training. Ha ha.
David M. at June 21, 2009 7:34 AM
"Are you saying that because I'm a redhead?"
Lyssa, Lovely Redhead at June 21, 2009 10:19 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/06/is-it-because-w-1.html#comment-1654981">comment from Lyssa, Lovely Redhead"Are you saying that because I'm a redhead?"
Hah - great one. The French call that staircase wisdom -- or really, "the spirit of the staircase" -- the thing you think of as you're going down the stairs after a fight with your lover, for example. I don't think there's a translation for the blog version of it, but I wish I'd thought of that!
Amy Alkon
at June 21, 2009 10:32 AM
In French it's "l'espirit d'escalier"
I think espirit could be translated in this context as 'inspiration'.
In German/Yiddish it's "Treppenwitz". And there's a great Anglo-Israeli blog by that name.
Ben-David at June 21, 2009 10:54 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/06/is-it-because-w-1.html#comment-1654986">comment from Ben-DavidI think you're right, re: inspiration.
Amy Alkon
at June 21, 2009 10:55 AM
I'm not defending these guys - they were rude to keep going at it after you pointed out the fact they were waking half the neighborhood.
But...when you live w/in walking distance of a bar don't you kinda expect this sort of b.s? I wouldn't live near a bar specifically because I wouldn't want to deal w/ schmucks of this caliber. It's bad enough having alcoholics as neighbors, without living near an establishment whose livelihood is based on making people stupid.
Gretchen at June 22, 2009 6:03 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2009/06/is-it-because-w-1.html#comment-1655083">comment from GretchenGretchen, I've always lived near bars. I live near a number of them, not just this one. This bar was a drunk bar and a neighborhood bar for decades and was no problem. For decades. The other bar has adequate staff -- as did the bar I went to in New York -- to control their customers. This bar was bought by a guy who had no experience running bars and sold (after I used to call the guy at home at 2 am when our neighborhood was awakened by their customers) to another guy who runs it poorly. We are prevented from getting permit parking by the assholes at the coastal commission. And having people yelling outside houses in any neighborhood is just wrong.
Amy Alkon
at June 22, 2009 7:12 AM
"And having people yelling outside houses in any neighborhood is just wrong."
I agree. And if the scene's changed since you moved in then that's a crappy deal. However, I'd never live near a bar because it leaves too much up to chance. You don't live in Allson or on Comm Ave. and expect it to be quiet (all college kids).
If some drunkards were stumbling down a random side street that isn't anywhere near a bar that would be very unusual and couldn't be reasonably expected. Do the police respond well to neighborhood complaints about crazy noise levels?
Being in L.A you might not get the kind of "service" you would in a smaller area, but it might be worth seeing if a police detail could be hired, at the bar's expense, to monitor the patrons while they're leaving. Waking up a neighborhood probably qualifies as disturbing the peace, and in my area public drunkeness is also an offense.
If these two guys above were stumbling to their car at 2 AM and being that loud and hostile I have to assume that they were about to drunk drive - which is more disconcerting than their rudeness.
Gretchen at June 22, 2009 8:01 AM
OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you told them. I bet you look good in your PJs, though. Are you trying to encourage tham to come back?
i-hole at June 22, 2009 12:59 PM
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