Its in Mexico's interest for their people to move to the US (legal or not). Their citizens living in the US sending money back to relatives is the greatest source of income for Mexico (according to many websites I found). Two brothers that worked with my friend (legal-had green cards) bragged that they sent half their income home to momma.

If the illegal aliens get sent back, then Mexico has to deal with them there.

Ok, maybe its Mexico's second biggest source of income: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/02/world/fg-mexico-remittance2

@Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent?
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Because they want to export their poverty problem to us, and import the fruits of prosperity from us.

Business is for cheap and easily exploited labor, and Democratic politicians see new votes, but there isn't much upside to the rest of us for being played for chumps.

I suppose that's why the public supports Arizona's "harsh, but not nearly as harsh as Mexico's" new law.

I'll have my say in November.

The U.S. should have THIS law on OUR books!

Why? Because it's the way that the white (meztizos) can finally solve their problem with the brown (indios).

There's been a race problem in Mexico since the Spanish first landed there.

You have noticed that none of the illegals here from Mexico look anything like the politicians in Mexico City, yes?

This is not a coincidence.

Meztizos are mixed-race. Which is probably most of the people in Mexico now, but the people with "pure" spanish blood still brag on it.

"If the illegal aliens get sent back, then Mexico has to deal with them there."

In their last presidential election the [basically] said that he thought a border fence was a great idea and it was our country anyway - that Mexico should have to feed and educate its own people instead of fobbing the problem off on the US. And the sooner that happens the faster the modernization and democratization of Mexioc will move.

"You have noticed that none of the illegals here from Mexico look anything like the politicians in Mexico City, yes?
This is not a coincidence."

No lie. In washington Stae the majority of Mexicans of whatever status are from the southern states and they are clearly indigenous. They learn Englsih in no time and have no love whatever for Spanish. And why should they?

It's pretty easy to see who's winning & who's losing here.

First of all, there's the billions in remittances going into Mexico's economy ever year. Then there's the fact that 10 million plus Mexican citizens living north of the border are 10 million plus Mexican citizens for whom their home country doesn't have to provide expensive services like health care, education, etc. There's the safety valve effect - potential troublemakers of all sorts are no threat to Mexico's ruling class when they're safely out of the country. There's the influence Mexico has over US politics by virtue of having so many of it's people living there. And there's the opportunity for moral posturing & grandstanding. Every time the US tries to take action, Calderon gets to go on TV & lament America's fear & hatred of brown people, while pretending that racism & discrimination don't exist in Mexico.

So that's a win-win-win-win-win!

I'll take it one step extra Martin...

The reason Mexico itself will never fix their own problem is that the people invested in fixing the issue...
are leaving. The elites certainly don't want a change, this is how they have stayed elite.

In terms of what services Mexico would have to provide, like edu/health/etc. No they wouldn't, they don't now. My mom is a teacher in the bad part of Phoenix... and when the kids, who are US. citizens head back with their parents [who aren't] hed back to Mexico... they don't go to school. Often their towns don't even have schools, or those that do are private, and can't be afforded when they are worried about eating.

In almost every way I can think of, Mexico is a modern feudal system. The Lords have the money, there is a relatively small bourgeois, and the peasant class has little hope of changing anything.

However, the only people that can change that, are the people of Mexico. It's their country, and if they don't care, why should anyone else?

The laws about immigration and boarders are completely worthless without the ability to control the boarder. All of this immigration talk and law, and such, are completely moot when you have a boarder that can be walked across. But as long as the focus is on laws and if they are fair ow whatever... the boarder will never be controlled, and the laws enacted will be meaningless.

And MAYBE that's exactly how the elites in more than one country would like to keep it. no?

Last night I read on the Web an article. A Mexican government official, I think Dept of Interior admitted Mexico violates the human rights of its own illegals.

When Illegals are robbed; raped; or even killed, the government, relying on the Constitution, is legally unable to do anything, because any such activity can only proceed when the victim proves Mexican nationality.

I believe they faced an international charge of human rights violation.

My view of Mexico is clearly going to be different than many of yours. You say a lot of things which on the surface seem correct, but actually are not.

But, one thing is true. Mexico mistreats its illegals much worse than the US does. I am glad to see them taken to task for it.

I am not sure the US will be better off imitating them, though.

I may have already posted this idea, but I think if illegal immigrants use the ER or other services, the bills should be sent to their country of origin. If the country is one we give aid to, it should be taken out of the aid we give them.

... and isn't it ironic that if you come legally on a plane as a foreigner, you get your eyeballs scanned, your fingers scanned, and you show your passport several times before you finally make it out. How bout investing some of the money they spend on eyeball scanners and securing the border?

" Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? "

Oh gosh a goverment being hypocritical....

See also

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/29/opinion/29kobach.html

"Oh gosh a goverment being hypocritical...."

When the Democrats rammed through the "Death Care Bills" a few months ago, the most of Republicans warned the rest of us not to give the government the power to dictate your choice of health care. The Republicans said that the government cannot be trusted with that much of power.

In terms of hypocrisy, this is one of the best. The same Republicans decided to give a lot more power to the government just as much as the Nazi had. The AZ police officer can now stop you for not shaving a couple of days and demand the documents whatever hell that is. Pretend that you were on your way to pick up your kids from the daycare and the daycare is going to charge you additional 30 dollars for each 15 minutes you are late.

You deserve the government you asked for. Within 10 years, the police officer in your State should be able to burst through your door in the middle of the night without warrants to "vaporize you". It is "1984" all over again. And your child will wonder what happened in AZ ten years ago and why her parents did not do a damn thing about it.

"The AZ police officer can now stop you for not shaving a couple of days and demand the documents whatever hell that is. "

Chang, that is simply not true. You've fallen for the DU spin. There was a thread at Volokh's yesterday where they did a detailed examination of the law -- by, you know, actually reading it and quoting from it. Here's the Cliff's Notes version:

1. The law does not permit "primary enforcement" -- that is, they cannot stop you just because they think you might be an illegal. The law only comes into play if you are stopped for some other reason, e.g., a traffic violation.

2. The law lists several forms of ID, which the possession of is defined as being evidence of being in the country legally. A driver's license is one of them. So if you have a driver's license, they must presume you are legal unless there is significant evidence to the contrary.

3. Arizona does not have the power to enforce immigration laws itself. So if they suspect you are an illegal, they can't deport you themselves. All they can do is turn you over to INS (who will probably let you go).

In terms of hypocrisy, this is one of the best. The same Republicans decided to give a lot more power to the government just as much as the Nazi had. The AZ police officer can now stop you for not shaving a couple of days and demand the documents whatever hell that is. Pretend that you were on your way to pick up your kids from the daycare and the daycare is going to charge you additional 30 dollars for each 15 minutes you are late.
You deserve the government you asked for. Within 10 years, the police officer in your State should be able to burst through your door in the middle of the night without warrants to "vaporize you". It is "1984" all over again. And your child will wonder what happened in AZ ten years ago and why her parents did not do a damn thing about it.

Posted by: Chang at April 30, 2010 5:59 AM
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A little bit on the dramatic side Chang.
If you have ever been pulled over for speeding, a head light out, etc... the police officers ask for license, registration and proof of insurance. No big deal. Also when you legally return to the U.S., customs can pull you aside, look in your luggage, pat you down, and ask for your passport.
If your not breaking any law, what's the big deal?

If your not breaking any law, what's the big deal?

Posted by: David M. at April 30, 2010 7:26 AM
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This refers back to Happy Earth Day, Bike-riding Stooge! where even if you are not doing wrong intentionally, they can still get you for something.

Examples include the TSA, Ruby Ridge, and many more.

IIRC, privacy is not mentioned in the constitution, but the Supreme Court has found that it is an inherent right not listed in the constitution.

>>1. The law does not permit "primary enforcement" -- that is, they cannot stop you just because they think you might be an illegal. The law only comes into play if you are stopped for some other reason, e.g., a traffic violation.

Nice talk, but this has been law forever. Yet, cops every day are making up stuff out of no where and stopping motorists who have broken no laws whatsoever, pretending the victim did something wrong. Hoping to find some phony reason to steal their car. Google Tenaha, Texas for one of the few cases where they were exposed at it.

It happened to me twice. Early October 2009, and back in 2007. Also to my son twice.

So, suddenly, when they think people in a car might be illegals, they are going to respect the law. Let us not be silly.

by the way, for those so gullible they believe it can't happen, also Google Oath Keepers, which includes active duty military and law enforcement people, who know well it is happening.