Given what most cafetaria food is like, I'd say the kid is safe!!! I know it woulda taken more than the crappy cellophane wrapped cookies in my school caf to get me to take my clothes off....

This is hilarious!

I would say, however, that it could lead to being accused of playing favorites.

Give a child a biscuit and you will have a sex-slave one day. Teach a child to make biscuits and you will one day have a whole huge sex-slave industry!

Well, it's a biscuit, after all. Is that code for "get your biscuits in the oven and your buns in bed!"?

Well, obviously this situation is ridiculous. But I have a story involving cashiers that is quite interesting.

There's no parking lot where I work and so employees are on their own to find spaces. Since many of us only have to put in 18 - 20 hours a week at the actually workplace (the others are from home), we don't splurge on monthly parking lots. So, bottom line? We need parking change and we need a lot of it on the days we're in.

There was a cashier in our cafeteria who was skimming change. My office mate and I noticed when we would buy a coffee--not because we really, really wanted one--but we did want the change and there were no change machines in the building. (And yes, we ARE piss poor planners in that we didn't buy rolls of change from the bank.)

It happened to both of us a few times in a row. We were expecting $3.75 back from a 5 (or 8.75 from a 10, or 18.75 from a 20, etc.) for a coffee that cost $1.25. And guess what? Four times in a row, we got back $3.50 or $3.25.

(And of course here in Canada, we have coins for 1 and 2 dollar denominations and we use those coins too because parking downtown isn't cheap.)

Now, this might sound picky, but when you've got a $42 parking ticket in the offing for being 1 minute late for your meter, it's not quite so funny. So we asked a whole bunch of others to watch and we were right. This woman had been skimming small change for probably upwards of 25 years, especially from perenially rushed people like me who will NOT stand there and count change at the til while others are behind me in line. We're just marvelling at how much she must have made.

So the warning here is: beware lunch ladies bearing loose change! Stand there and count even if it totally pisses of your co-workers.

I'm kidding of course, but I have started to count more often because of this. I wonder how many other cashiers out there are nickel and diming their way to a chalet in the mountains or a hut in Maui.

Do you think she does it on purpose or is she just really bad at math?

Perhaps we should point out for our non-English speaking readers that their biscuit is what we would call a cookie. Now that I consider that definition, there are a lot of things they call biscuits that we would never call cookies.
While it has been a few years that I was "on the ground" in England, I remember biting into a biscuit/cookie and not being able to spit it out quickly enough. As a student in England at an American university staffed by a local chef/cook, I understood that they had some inventory problems. To solve the problem, I heard (hush, hush) they began handing out boxes to the cleaning staff.
The story about skimming small change leads to another story I'll pursue at another time.

My wife's uncle managed a change counting operation for a toll bridge. Back in those days the labor was a mixture of man and machine. Needless to say, the opportunity to simply dip a hand into the flow was obvious to all.
His solution was to forbid employees from bringing any money to work. He also excluded wallets, purses and any bags. This was when the minimum wage was $1.25 so the use of money internally was solved by the proverbial free lunch.
Had the quick x-ray machines been around then, he would have used them. At the time he just weighed each employee both coming and going. I don't know how he handled the body's need to come and go, but I'm sure it would not have been as intrusive as walking down a street is now.

In partial defense of change skimmers everywhere: The pay for those kinds of jobs is terrible. Even reasonably small variances would be noted in the daily accounting. I would like to think that everyone on the food service team received their cut of the skim. This petty larceny may even have been done with the (wink, wink) support of management in recognition of the "official" poor pay.
@ie wants to speculate that everyone was a victim in this skim. People in line, rush, rush... Perhaps the staff just picked out the people less likely to notice the shortfall.

Can't we just kill all the stupid people already.

"It happened to both of us a few times in a row. We were expecting $3.75 back from a 5 (or 8.75 from a 10, or 18.75 from a 20, etc.) for a coffee that cost $1.25. And guess what? Four times in a row, we got back $3.50 or $3.25."

That reminds me of once when I was driving in France, the girl at one toll booth I went through had a neat little scam going. When I handed her the exact, correct change, she blatantly dropped a Euro coin --- I heard a HUGE clang!! sound as it hit something metal on the ground, which she pretended not to hear (which made it all the more obvious as it was very loud) and then claimed I did not give her enough change and demanded the rest. I got out and started trying to fish out the change from under my car, but with a queue of rude French people behind me hooting at me, and it becoming apparent that my Euro was in a tricky spot to reach, I caved and gave the little French robber her due.

Most people would probably give someone the benefit of the doubt or assume they or the toll booth person made a mistake, but the other reason it was particularly obvious to me is that I had JUST watched her pull the EXACT same thing on the little old lady in front of me (who dutifully paid up immediately).

Doing this all day to lots of people, and periodically going and fetching all the change on the ground, I suppose she makes a fair bit of extra cash. The only consolation is knowing such low-class trash will never rise above such menial jobs, and that sooner or later they'll probably fire her anyway.

"Do you think she does it on purpose or is she just really bad at math?"

If that was the case, the error would go in both directions (giving too much change sometimes, instead of always too little). I think she can count just fine!

@NicoleK--I used to work as a cashier, so it's a question of counting up to the next dollar (with change) and then up to the amount of the bill (with bills). So there's actually very little "tricky" counting concerned. And, remember, a few of us got in on the process of quietly checking this cashier out.

The thing is, the parking around the area worked out to be $4.00 for 4 hours. So for $3.75, you got 3 3/4 hours parking. Now, most of us would have the odd spare quarter, so getting the meter up to the max of 4 hours wouldn't be difficult. However, with if a person had absolutely no spare change--which in this day of the debit card is often the case--the person would have to nip out 15 minutes before lunch. No biggie. However, with only $3.25 or $3.50, the person would have to go out even earlier. AND--it meant they would have to go out near the end of the day to top up again. That's why the catching the shortchanging was easy.

Once I was sure of what was going on, I stood there one day, counted the (short) change, and then just told her. "You know, I use the change for parking and this isn't the first time you've short-changed me. It's the same for a few of us around here. We're always a quarter or two short. Why do you think that is?" Anyway, she went red as a beet. A couple of my colleagues said something similar to her.

Now, I know these jobs pay poorly and none of us wanted to "tell" on this woman and lose her her job. But it WAS a problem in that it caused us so much inconvenience with our parking. It's one thing to run out at lunch once during the day, but it's another to have to run before lunch and then about 15 or 30 minutes before your day is up. And, as was often the case, people just forgot about those last 15 or 30 minutes and got a $42 ticket instead.

But I was really curious. She must have a had a system in place to, let's say, skim at least $10.00 a day so she could slip the bill out and the cash count wouldn't be thrown off by several dollars each day. She was clever, but never looked me straight in the eye again.

Why does this principal need 4 meetings to tell a lunch lady to stop giving cookies to her relatives?

Got a peeve: Why do cashiers ask "do you want your change"?

It doesn't happen often, but.....

It usually happens when the change is less than a nickel. There are times I don't quibble - such as in a cheap, open-air produce market where it says "3 lbs. for 99 cents." (Though in the market I go
to, most such signs have been replaced with "3 lbs. for $1.") However, when we're talking about an indoor store with electronic scales and
modern cash registers, aside from the obvious rudeness in such cases, haven't the cashiers ever heard of a little word called "bookkeeping"?

Your opinions?

P.S. I heard one student from a prestigious university tell how that happened to her at the CVS next to the campus - she said when she asked for her change, the cashier glared at her as if to say "what does a privileged kid like YOU need it for?"

Mrs Lavery decided to leave her job as she felt she had been subjected to a "grilling".
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... so now the job will be filled by real pimp or pedophile who will wrap the principal around their finger by threatening a "hostile work environment" because they are in an Official Victim Group.

Is it odd that when reading this insane story that this line popped into my head?

"More testicles means more iron!"

"Now, I know these jobs pay poorly and none of us wanted to "tell" on this woman and lose her her job."

Crazy ... I would have gone out my way to get her thieving ass fired. I'm sure there are plenty of honest people in this world who would love to have that job.

When I did cashier work though they used to check the amounts at the end of the day, and anyone consistently under would be detected quickly and chucked out ... some manager is surely not doing their job, or don't they do that, or is it not all electronically counted?

The clever part about this cashier is that she wasn't stealing from her company, which probably checked; she was stealing from the customers.

I don't know that I buy that whole "the job doesn't pay much" stuff. When I was in college, I worked at a fast food place and later at a coffee house, neither of which pay all that well, but it wouldn't have occurred to me to steal other people's money.

At the time, I was semi-broke most of the time but not desperate, just didn't have much.

Think of it, though, Lobster. You skim off a quarter from 40 people and by the end of the day that equals $10. Easy enough to slip that bill out before the accounting is done. You just have to be good at keeping a running tally in your head.

By the way, I apologize for my off topic post initially. I wasn't quite sure what "grooming" meant. I'd never heard the term before and although I guessed it had a sexual connotation, it wasn't until I looked it up that I fully understood. I didn't realize it meant befriending a child for the purposes of exploitation (usually sexual). No wonder this story made it into the news. How dumb.

And, I'm wondering if it's possible for teachers to be groomed by students? (Although of course, I somehow doubt it.) A professor friend of mine once had a young female student come to his office wearing a raincoat and nothing underneath. He says he's never run so fast in his life :)

I think this story is a godd thing, only until women are as routiney accused of wanting sex with kids as often as men are will the insane fear surrounding this subject begin to change.

ie is on record as saying she doesnt care how often men get screwed over - maybe when a woman she knows is sublty pushed out of her job as ths one is will she change her mind.

The clever part about this cashier is that she wasn't stealing from her company, which probably checked; she was stealing from the customers.

She was stealing from her company. She was stealing their good name and their customers' trust. Once this gets out, every customer will count every piece of change and check every receipt for "mistakes." Some customers will start eating lunch elsewhere (costing the company business).

And every future cashier there will be looked upon as a potential thief (by the company and by the customers).

On the subject of being harangued at work, I have a funny story...I'm an engineer and work in the road/tunnel construction industry so as you can imagine I've heard my share of profanity. Last week I got annoyed at the young client rep who wouldn't shut up about some stupid potential future issue despite me explaining patiently it wasn't a requirement so we were under no obligation to deliver it, so when he complained to my boss over lunch I said "If someone whinges about it, tell them to ring me and I'll tell them to fuck off". So I wasn't even swearing at him, just at some hypothetical future idiot.

So my boss follows me outside when I went for a cigarette for an informal "counselling" session. He had a whole speech ready, which I de-railed by apologising (very insincerely) immediately. He kept going, I kept saying I was sorry and it wouldn't happen again, he still wouldn't shut up. Apparently the guy complained and my boss felt it was unprofessional to swear in front of the client.

We start on site this week, I'm waiting to see how these poor shrinking violets cope with the electricians and fitters we work with, who can't get through a sentence without punctuating it with at least three fucks, two shits, and one mildly homophobic offer for someone to suck their dick.

I feel sorry for the poor lunch lady - the response is totally out of line with the alleged offense even if it was true. It's symptomatic of the "we have to look like we're doing something" approach to problems. A friend of mine has for years worked as a volunteer on a popular local steam train tourist attraction - his family is train mad, he was a fireman and his dad a driver, he drives modern trains for a living - and he's had to give it away recently because they told him every volunteer had to get a "working with children" license, police check, etc. He refused (he has a daughter himself) and quit instead. One less person willing to shovel coal for them then. My mother, having had four kids grow up and move out, did some voluntary child care shifts for a while but not having the necessary qualifications was not allowed to touch the children or take them to the toilet, etc. She was working with my sister who is qualified so my 65 year old mother had to go ask her daughter to help the kids for chrissakes!

I can understand why people want protection for their children - I just doubt that these measures do anything except annoy innocent people and destroy any sense of community. Sort of like airline security, it looks good on the surface but doesn't achieve much.

ie is on record as saying she doesnt care how often men get screwed over

I've never got that impression luj, she seems quite reasonable to me, and this week explained how bad she felt for her mother's partner being shut out of medical decisions - you have a link to this record?

"Think of it, though, Lobster. You skim off a quarter from 40 people and by the end of the day that equals $10. Easy enough to slip that bill out before the accounting is done. You just have to be good at keeping a running tally in your head."

Oh yes of course (doh) - sorry, blonde moment.

"We start on site this week, I'm waiting to see how these poor shrinking violets cope with the electricians and fitters we work with, who can't get through a sentence without punctuating it with at least three fucks, two shits, and one mildly homophobic offer for someone to suck their dick."

Ya gotta love directness. After all the social workers I've been dealing with, all I can say is these are my kind of people! :)

@lujlp. You need to call the Mounties and report me.

So I guess, ten years from now, when I escort a kid across the street so he/she can get home, I will be put on the sex-offender-groomer registry?

"Got a peeve: Why do cashiers ask 'do you want your change'?"

I'm with lenona; this is an incredibly rude thing to do to a customer. What's even worse is wait staff who will just assume you don't want your change unless you explicitly ask. I used to run into this in Florida; I once got really nasty with the manager of a restaurant because I gave the waitress a $20 for a $12 bill and she just assumed that the overage was her tip. When I asked for my change, she got huffy. After that, every time I went to that restaurant, I always used a card even if I only had an appetizer.

Here you go Ltw

http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2010/10/03/assume_all_men.html#comments

Most laws that I know of are written and examined quite thoroughly before they are passed into being. They have to be vetted by quite a number of people with all the possible permutations mapped out in advance. I can't imagine the "law" you've stated above ever coming into being. -ie

Really? Have you ever even watched C-Span?

Ever hear of all the items added onto bills at the last minute?

Ever hear of Arizonas SB1070? Its curently being blocked by a federal lawsuit becue of unmapped advaced permutations.

Laws that make guys who pull children out of busy streets pedophiles do not protect children.

Laws that require parents to submit their fingerprint to police in order to get an offical "I'm not a pedophile" card before they can take their own kids to a public park do not make children safer.

Laws which punish men in consentual relationships consumated only under the false pretenses of a woman do not make anyone safer.

Funniest thing of all about my last example - men can be charged with rape in some jurisdictions for lying to a woman about their name, job, income, ect if she decided after the fact that had she know the truth she wouldnt have agreed to sex.

Do you serioulsy not see the problem? Or is it that you just dont care?

You said "Spare some sympathy for the people who really deserve it."

How does anyone who has had their life needlessly destroyed for no good reason not deserve sympathy?

How does a kid at 16 considered such a "danger" that he cant go near schools, parks, shopping malls, cant get an education, cant get a job with out disclosing the government considers him a pedophile, has the very real possibility of having his kids taken away should he ever even find someone willing to marry him. All becuase a girl lied to him about how old she was?

How in the hell does a person like that NOT deserve sympathy?

Posted by: lujlp at October 5, 2010 2:50 PM

lujlp: I live in Canada. We're not so paranoid up here; that is, we don't run our lives by a who's-the-biggest-victim mentality. You and MonicaP should set up shop somewhere.

"Do you serioulsy not see the problem? Or is it that you just dont care.'

I don't care.

Posted by: ie at October 5, 2010 3:09 PM

She quite clearly stated that she doent care about men being caught up in such accusations - even to the point of ruinied lives.

It is an attitude that many women seem to have when these types of stories pop up but invole men

Boy, Lujlp, you really got me! When are the Mounties coming?

I'd like to ask you a few questions, though:

Ever find yourself in an argument that seems to go on and on forever? And the person you're arguing with won't let up? And, you know that you're never going to see eye to eye with the peron on that particular issue, so maybe it's time to say "Hey, let's agree to differ here and drop the issue." Or, "I'm tired of arguing with you?"

But the other person is pushy, is willing to make up magical statistics on the spot to REALLY prove their point, and, more importantly, is REALLY, REALLY interested in keeping the argument going. Because, let's face it, they're getting a buzz out of fighting.

And, have you ever found yourself realizing that the person who's arguing with you is just not getting it that you no longer give a flying f--k about the issue?

And, have you ever found yourself wishing you had a genie in a bottle so you could make that person disappear because you're so G-ddamned tired of listening to their tirade?

Well, that's my definition of argument hell and that's where I found myself with you on that thread.

And the best way to get out of argument hell is to just agree with the idiot who's pestering you.

Works every time.

ie - first off, if railing at injustice makes me an idiot then I'm an idoit, its a mantle I'll wear proudly.

Second, you never agreed with me, you came right out and said you were on the opposite side of the argument. And not for any reson other than your own indefference.

You dont care that some people get killed by vigilantess who have no idea why someone is on that list.

You dont care that children are forcibly removed from their own homes because it is illegal to live at homw whith a younger sister.

You dont care that perfectly innocent people have their entire lives destroyed in an attempt to make it easier for morons like you to think "somthing is being done" aboutt the situation.

We get it.
You
dont
care.

Someting tells me you would care if someone you knew were destroyed in such an unjust manner. But until then if you really dont care feel free to skip such conversations until you have something pertinant to say.

If the government is the one giving the kid the cookie, it's OK, right? Especially if they keep doing it for life.

Good lord, of course it's horrible when anyone, male or female, gets falsely accused of pedophilia or other awful crimes. I don't think anyone here thinks otherwise.

And, have you ever found yourself wishing you had a genie in a bottle so you could make that person disappear because you're so G-ddamned tired of listening to their tirade? ...

Try the little red X at the top left

... That's not nearly as effective as the one on the right side

The thing is, people can be falsely accused of anything. Have their words taken out of context, have their posts cut and paste to change the meaning, and just generally have stuff made up about them. It's the same process that leads some people to make false accusations of pedophilia. I think its all in the same sick ballpark.

So in other words you dont care about anyones problems at all ie?

"Got a peeve: Why do cashiers ask 'do you want your change'?"

Does this really happen? From CASHIERS? I work a second job waitressing on the weekends, and even as a waitress who handles the money exchange for the check payments I have never done this. I think it's rude to assume everything left over might be all for my tip. Even if there are miscellaneous bills including singles that MIGHT indicate the total and the tip are all there. I avoid assuming anything by always saying to the customer when they pay, "I'll be right back with change for you". This leaves them the opportunity to either tell me "thank you" or "no, you're all set".

@lujlp: I have a lot of time to post these days because I'm taking time off work. Why? Because my mother, who is seriously paralyzed from a stroke, and who also suffered the amputation of her good, remaining leg, is going into a nursing home some time in the next few weeks. She's been with me for two years now and so I'm spending time with her before she goes in. I think that makes me a caring person.

I don't know what you're problem is, but this isn't the first thread where you've taken the opportunity to pester me. I will no longer read or respond to your posts. Your bitterness, even over the net, is palpable and toxic. I strongly suggest you get a life.

ie the reason I'm you flater yourself. You arent that important.

One - you said you didnt care when people routinly have their lives destroyed by an overreaching government, an action infliced based on nothing more then the unreasoning fear of its citizenry.

Two - you argued in favor of such policies on the chance that they might deter REAL criminals even in the face of evidence which proves such laws make it easier for real criminals to molest kids.

Three - I used you as an example once in a thread a couple of days after you announced your apathy becuase you were nothing more than the last person on this blog to say such things didnt bother you.

Four - I made the assumption that should something like this happen to someone you care about it would bother you. Given your reaction to my mentioning you just ONCE, and then providing a quote of yours to back up my statments. Well, if you get this upset over being quoted, what would you do if a close freind had their life destroyed?

Five - I am bitter, I'm bitter about everything that turns anyone into a victim for no other reason then to let people feel good about themselves and bury their heads in the sand. How can you not be? You obviously care about your mothre so you have empathy.

So why does an emotional cripple like me have more empathy for people ground down by mindless bureacratic injustice?

Atlupsjuelp, or whoever you are. I hate feeding the troll, but some things just have to be said.
I've been following this thread and a few others and this is what I think of you.

You're too stupid to defend people. Even if someone I knew was falsely accused, you're the last person I'd want on their side. I'd tell them to run a mile if they saw you coming. You can't even spell! Did you graduate grade 8? Do you actually read the posts you answer or do you just shoot off your mouth? Are you drinking when you post? Doing drugs?

You're one of the women haters I've seen on this blog. Always looking for a way to put women down or blame them or find some excuse to hate them. What's really wrong foollep? Too ugly for the women in your town?

And here comes the adhominem attacks. Very nice, nancyD. It has been explained, by lujlp many times. He's dyslexic, so he has problems with spelling. But everything else you posted is hate screed, and adds nothing to the discussion. Well done.

I really hope that ie isn't that unfeeling, that people gound under the bootheel of any government, doesn't raise her ire and disgust. But like it or not, nancyD, the feminist establishment are the ones that have gotten thier agenda rammed through the government process and into law. And like you, they don't give a rat's ass who it targets. Hope you enjoy it when they come down on you. But don't look for a lot of support. Everyone else will have truned thier backs on you, just like you are willing to do to innocents falsely accused.

And too many men have been destroyed, with the vast majority of women turning a blind eye. Amy, and the vast minority of women, are speaking out about this. So a bit of anger is understandable, and really, there are a lot of men who just don't care what you think anymore. Shaming won't work.

"And too many men have been destroyed..."

Apparently not enough of them...

So dyslexic that he can't use spellcheck?

And you *know* he's dyslexic because you're in the room with him when he's posting?

I think he's just blotto.

Apparently not enough of them...

And yet, women can't figure out why men are angry. I see you are a Mary Daly/Sally Gearheart follower. Very nice.

Hmmm. Notice you skipped the issue of the spellcheck and dyslexia. What's wrong there? I actually had a point?

Let me guess Steve. You're a less than average looking guy who thinks foreign women are better than American women. The sad reality is, however, that most American women are out of your league and you prefer the ones who see meal-ticket tattooed on your forehead instead.

Yeah...you're that kind of genius. Very nice.

So dyslexic that he can't use spellcheck?
If you knew anything about dyslexia you'd know about the perils of spell check
And you *know* he's dyslexic because you're in the room with him when he's posting?
They know because they pay attention and I mention it now and again when needed

I think he's just blotto.
Too many addict in the familly, cant afford to drink
Posted by: nancyD

Spell Check dont work, it never catches any grammar mistakes beyond punctuation, and when I misspell a word usually spell check gives me nowhere near what I was shooting for.

Incedentally , pointing out spelling mistakes is what one does when one has no real argument.

Aside from my spelling mistakes your argument was that I was ugly and therefor must hate women.

Isnt it odd how anyone who ever disagrees with a woman ust automatically hate them?

Given your beleif that not enough men have been needlessly destroyed your charges of sexism are hollow indeed.

As for myself almost dying half a dozen times beore the age of 25 leaves me with a perspective on life most people dont reach until their sixties.

Life is short, everyone dies. I dont give a fuck what anyone thinks about personally. I have no qualms about sayng what I think about anything anymore. I

If you want to make personal attacks go right ahead it doesnt bother me. You want to have a calm, lively, or fired up mud slining conversation on any subject under the sun stick around - just be prepared to make salient arguments, otherwise we'll kick to mental ass.

Welcome to the party.

I misspelled "slinging" spell check gave me 14 alternitives - took me over 3 minutes to find the right one

slining - wrong word
sliming
shining
singing

The other ones I could see were wrong these three threw me of

FYI if you think my speling is bad, you should see what it looks like before I look for my mistakes

Married, thank you very much. Happily, for a number of years. And she is just as american as can be. Imagine that. Any other shaming tactics you wish to try? I can keep laughing at you all day, so feel free.

I wonder why it is, that these people who try this over and over, don't get that it doesn't work anymore. Men have woken up to the tactic, and laugh at it. It has NO effect any more.

Luj, I've seen your posts here and on other sites, and trust me, if she had a cogent argument, she would have made it by now. I don't know if she's worth the effort again, but what the hell, I'm always up for a good laugh.

Don't believe you Steve because people do and say anything behind the anonymity of the net. There are a lot of women-bashers on this site and the easiest thing for them to do is lie when they're cornered. For all you know, I could be a guy just getting your goat.

And that need you feel to let me know you're laughing? What's that about? A desperate, desperate need to feel superior? Not buying it sweetheart--I see it in the dangerous offenders I deal with all day on the job. Been there, done that and you're not fooling me one bit.

You need to address that desperation guy...and if you ARE married (and I pity the poor woman) you might ask her why you need to beat up on other women even if it's just on the net.

You still aren't getting it. Your attempts at shaming aren't working. I could care less if you believe me. You just aren't that important in my life view.

But keep trying to paint everyone who sees the injustice that governments keep committing upon thier populaces, as woman haters. And I'll keep laughing.

Nice dig at my wife by the way. Talk about an anonymous tough guy act. You've got it down, sweetie. Now, please let the adults get back to the converstaion, and go play with your toys.

*converstaion should be conversation

Nanc, could you be a dear and give us some examplesof us picking on wymyns.

But only the ones where we do it because they dont have a penis, not the ones where they had a obviously flawed argument.

Or are you one of those feminists who only claim to believe in equality and turn around and cry sexism when we treat you to the same ridicule we direct twords each other

I thought so

LOL, lujlp