Islamic Countries Have Ugly Values
For all those who would "coexist," you'd better hope you're trying to do it in a country that does not have a Muslim majority, because "tolerance" of other religions only happens when Muslims aren't in power. Time and time again, Coptic Christians are slaughtered in Egypt. The lucky ones are just persecuted, and not murdered. Michael Carl writes at WND:
An Algerian Christian sentenced to five years in jail for sharing his faith is still waiting to learn if he will have to serve the time.That's because the appeals court judge in the Algerian city of Oran has decided to delay a decision of whether to overturn the conviction given to Karim Siaghi, also known as Siaghi Krimo.
Krimo was sentenced in 2011 to five years in jail and fined about $2,500 after being accused by a Muslim shopkeeper of handing a Christian CD to a man on the street.
In a press statement, Christian human rights group Open Doors says Krimo was charged with blasphemy for simply not "sounding like a Muslim" during a conversation with a shop keeper.
"Authorities arrested Siaghi in April 2011 after he purportedly gave a CD about Christianity to a Muslim. Siaghi had gone to a phone shop to buy airtime minutes for his mobile phone, and the merchant there initiated a conversation on religion," Open Doors said.
"Unhappy with Siaghi's non-Muslim answers, the merchant tried to force him to pay homage to the prophet and to recite the Muslim shahada that says there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet," the Open Doors statement said.
Open Doors says that Algeria is one of the more moderate Arab and North African countries, but that Krimo's arrest and conviction are an example of the influence jihadists have there.
"When Siaghi refused and said he was a Christian, the merchant filed a complaint that the convert had belittled the prophet, and in the absence of further witnesses, charges were brought against him," the statement said.
Krimo was arrested and given the five-year term in May 2011 without any witnesses for the prosecution being present.
Even being the "wrong" kind of Muslim can get a person slaughtered.
Related: How wrong The New York Times' Roger Cohen has been about The Muslim Brotherhood, by Cornell law prof William A. Jacobson.








Amy, you're clearly a racist fundamentalist Christian.
TJIC at December 10, 2012 7:10 AM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/12/islamic-countri.html#comment-3510344">comment from TJICTeehee...of the atheistic kind.
Amy Alkon
at December 10, 2012 8:24 AM
There is no tolerance in the Middle East but it is not about Islam. The Arabs have violent cultures and societies. In Egypt, 79 people died in a soccer riot. Christians in Lebanon massacred over 1000 people in the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. The more secular Arabs leaders (Assad, Ghadaffi, Arafat) are just as brutal as the religious leaders.
Arabs have a barbaric culture that is violent regardless of their religious ideas or devoutness. In violent nations, people will use any excuse to massacre their opponents (see Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Sri Lanka). Many despicable Arabs use Islam because it is convenient but it is not the root cause. Soccer can be used just as easily.
Curtis at December 10, 2012 9:34 AM
The problem with many countries in the Middle East is that have forgotten, or had suppressed, the Hammurabic codes and all the subsequent things that led to the Athenian, Spartan, and subsequent Greek and Roman styles of justice that have formed the European and American forms of justice as we know today.
The "eye for an eye" has been bypassed for "justice" and rule of law as we know it.
Jim P. at December 10, 2012 8:06 PM
Amy,
This is from Roger Simon's site at PJ Media and I knew you would appreciate it.
http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2012/12/10/the-last-of-the-just-in-belgium/
JFP at December 10, 2012 8:24 PM
January 07, 2011
Egypt's Muslims attend Coptic Christmas mass, serving as "human shields"
Muslims standing together with Christians to protect the latter during worship at a Coptic church. Can you imagine a similar scenario in the U.S., with, say, Christians defending the right of Muslims to build a non-mosque Not-at-Ground-Zero? If only it were so.
These Egyptians are demonstrating the true meaning of religious -- and political -- tolerance. The fact that this show of solidarity is coming so soon after a brutal attack on another Coptic church speaks volumes not only about their enlightened minds, but also their courage. The Egyptian government doesn't take kindly to demonstrations in general, no matter the sentiments its citizens are demonstrating. Here's another article that shows the risks Egyptians take by speaking out.
Posted by Lisa Simeone at 10:08 AM in Current Affairs, Religion | Permalink
http://www.cogitamusblog.com/2011/01/egypts-muslims-attend-coptic-christmas-mass-serving-as-human-shields-.html
Lisa Simeone at December 11, 2012 7:59 AM
And why did Copts doing something as benign as attending Christmas mass need human shields in the first place? Here's a clue: "The fact that this show of solidarity is coming so soon after a brutal attack on another Coptic church..." There've been a great many such brutal attacks, and Copts have been persecuted second-class citizens since Egypt was conquered by Muslims in the 7th century:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Copts
All this was done by Muslims in the name of Islam and with the support of Islamic doctrine. You can't stick your head in the sand and ignore this just because some enlightened Muslims are not on board with it.
Martin at December 11, 2012 9:51 AM
Can you imagine a similar scenario in the U.S., with, say, Christians defending the right of Muslims to build a non-mosque Not-at-Ground-Zero?
Lisa, I can imagine that if there were brutal attacks by hateful Christians on Muslims worshipping at mosques in the U.S., that other non-hateful Christians would offer to help protect them. The thing is, those hypothetical Christian-on-Muslim attacks are highly unlikely.
And, let's look at an instance where there was an attempted attack on a mosque (in the heat of post 9/11 anger**, in September 2001, here in Seattle):
Community answers targeting of mosque
** while attacks on innocent Muslims in the U.S. happened in the immediate wake of 9/11 (here in Seattle, some ignorant cretin attacked a Sikh taxi driver), and are not excusable, consider what the response by Muslims against innocent Christians in, say, Saudi Arabia, would have been if 19 radical Christians had hijacked four Saudi airliners and crashed them into buildings in Mecca why crying "God is great!" The retaliation would have been FAR worse, FAR more violent and vicious.
Anyway, the good part about you posting what you did is that is shows that there are decent Muslims too, which is something one would not think possible while reading Amy's numerous blanket condemnations of Islam.
JD at December 11, 2012 6:01 PM
Amy Alkon
https://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2012/12/islamic-countri.html#comment-3512983">comment from JDAnyway, the good part about you posting what you did is that is shows that there are decent Muslims too, which is something one would not think possible while reading Amy's numerous blanket condemnations of Islam.
Islam is evil, as it COMMANDS the death or conversion of the "infidel," and its commands are to be taken literally as the word of god, not seen as allegory.
The individual Muslim, of course, may or may not even know what the tenets of Islam say. A great many Muslims are illiterate. Muslims can be good people who do not practice the tenets of the evil they call their religion -- sometimes because they often have no idea what it says.
It is quite silly to believe in any god, as there is no evidence god exists (or that there is "heaven" or "hell"). This is the sort of stuff (like Santa-belief) that children cling to - as well as people who don't put their beliefs through the reason machine in their heads. But, as long as your silly beliefs aren't likely to cause you to slaughter gays, stone women, or try to convert or kill those who don't believe as you do and install repressive religious regimes in the place of democracy, hey, believe away. Practice your religion. I'll think you're silly but I'll defend your right to believe and practice as you wish.
Amy Alkon
at December 11, 2012 8:26 PM
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