Inciting...Law And Order?
Charles Oliver writes at reason:
Police in Newport, Wales, ordered Matthew Taylor to remove T-shirts with the slogan "Obey our laws, respect our beliefs or get out of our country" from his clothing shop. A police spokesman said the shirts could be seen as inciting racial hatred.
Link to the news story about this at the reason link.








A shame, but it'll be here soon enough.
roadgeek at June 3, 2013 7:20 AM
I'd like to get something similar. Except that I would add, "and learn our language."
Patrick at June 3, 2013 8:13 AM
I just received an email forward, with a photo of a middle eastern man wearing a t-shirt covered in an image of the Twin Towers burning. T-shirts like that can be bought from vendors practically anywhere there.
Only westerners, it seems, can be guilty of racism or ethnic hatred.
jefe at June 3, 2013 9:21 AM
Ah, Yes. Once again, the First Ammendment is stomped out to preserve the feeeeeliiings of those who aren't even entitled to the protection it provides.
Sabrina at June 3, 2013 9:51 AM
So the police can now come into a privately owned establishment and tell them what they can and cannot sell, even if it's all perfectly legal? What's next - start detaining/arresting people on the street who are wearing similiar attire that might upset other poor widdle people with hurt feelings? What about the guy who sat next to me the other day who had a shirt that said something about Hitler wasn't necessarily wrong? Was that okay because it might not offend immigrants or Muslims?
Kima at June 3, 2013 10:22 AM
Interesting. I note that it doesn't say believe our beliefs, just respect them.
Jen at June 3, 2013 10:36 AM
Maybe getting the law involved is too much, but I REALLY wish more people would teach their kids that it's just plain uncivilized - and childish - to wear T-shirts with ANY kind of message, even non-verbal ones.
As Fran Lebowitz wrote in the 1970s: "If people don't want to hear from you, what makes you think they want to hear from your sweater?"
lenona at June 3, 2013 11:04 AM
Oh Good Grief!! :(
BeBe at June 3, 2013 11:06 AM
My motto when such things come up (especially whining that other folks can "get away" with stuff we can't) is: "We're supposed to be better than that."
You'd be surprised how many times that applies.
Todd Everett at June 3, 2013 11:15 AM
They're English, they don't got a 1st Amendment.
I R A Darth Aggie at June 3, 2013 11:38 AM
Online Education and the Null Hypothesis by economist Arnold Kling
Bradford S. Bell and Jessica E. Federman write [translated to common speech] :
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We reviewed past studies. E-learning and classroom instruction generally produce the same educational outcomes if the course materials are the same.
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Arnold Kling: [edited]
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The null hypothesis is that there is no difference in outcomes, and apparently the “meta analysis” by Bell and Federman does not reject it.
Taylor sees evidence that the quality of online learning has “caught up” to classroom learning. My more cynical interpretation is that there was never any catching up required. What students learn does not appear to depend in any way on how they are taught.
I am sure that there is a limit to this. Presumably, if some students get $50,000 worth of instruction and others get zero, you will see some difference in outcomes. However, relative to what we do today, the way to improve cost-effectiveness in education is to slash costs. My view of the null hypothesis is that most of what we spend on education has no marginal impact. [AMG: The last half of expense buys no additional education.]
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Andrew_M_Garland at June 3, 2013 12:17 PM
Sorry, wrong post.
Andrew_M_Garland at June 3, 2013 12:18 PM
Or 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th or 10th
lujlp at June 3, 2013 12:23 PM
lenona,
ANY message is childish?? I can't say I agree with that. All clothes send some message. It might be, "I'm freezing, don't you have central heating?" but it's still a message.
Shannon M. Howell at June 3, 2013 2:00 PM
I support the right to make an Ass out of yourself by the slogans on your shirt
Nothing says "half wit socialist college student" like a Che Guevara t shirt.
Nothing says Liberal elitist snob like a "fuck Bush" t shirt
And nothing says "redneck gun lover" like an NRA t shirt.
At best a t shirt can be a nice conversation starter. At worst it warns people to stay away (not necessarily a bad thing)
Isab at June 3, 2013 7:49 PM
But at the same time, if you have 10-20K or more people show up as a crowd, some congress critters might tend to listen for a little.
Granted this was the UK, and I quite agree that if this happened in the U.S. it would be a violation of the 1st.
Jim P. at June 3, 2013 9:04 PM
What's missing from the picture is the shopkeeper standing up for himself. Even in the UK, a policeman cannot just tell you "don't display that". He may be able to cause you some misery if you don't takes his "suggestion"...
In this case the policeman is pretty clearly off base. The shirt makes no reference at all to any race, nationality or culture. It's impossible for it to be any more neutral. Anyone who feels targetted or offended is basically singling themselves out!
a_random_guy at June 3, 2013 10:43 PM
ANY message is childish?? I can't say I agree with that. All clothes send some message. It might be, "I'm freezing, don't you have central heating?" but it's still a message.
Posted by: Shannon M. Howell at June 3, 2013 2:00 PM
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I was thinking more in terms of advertising, whether it's a corporate logo, a picture of Eminem, or Beethoven. At best, it's pretentious.
lenona at June 5, 2013 4:58 PM
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