Not sure how I feel about this.

On one hand, they are paying property taxes. On the other hand, if three families are living together in one house, they're not paying near enough in taxes. On the third hand, some amount of education funding is coming from the feds, and it isn't clear if illegals are paying income taxes either at all, or enough, or if they're engaging in some sort of identity theft or fraud.

Hey, here's an idea: let's stop the illegals from crossing the border first? then we can discuss what to do with those already here.

Yes, yes, I know, I'm a raaaaaaaacist!

@IRA: I'm with you. It's not the kids fault, but the fact is that illegal immigrants aren't supposed to be here...

Politicians: What don't you understand about ILLEGAL"?
Try reading Mexico's laws regarding aliens' rights: They have none.
We aren't prejudiced if we follow the same course.

I think america immigration laws should read "Illegal aliens will be subject to they punishments of their country of origin"

It earns them the illegal's vote. The fact that they shouldn't be voting is beside the point.

well here's the rub. Most of those children are born in the US (anchor babies). As a result of the current law they ARE us citizens. So denying them school access is illegal. The kid is here and no matter how much we hope that will not change, most of immigration is pretty much a game of tag. I'd rather him or her get an education and become a tax payer than become a societal dreg. So long as the government hasn't caught and deported them I see no benefit in denying them that education.

The cost per extra student is somewhere in the order of $4000. Yes the census has it at 10K but schools (like ALL bureaucracy) are always admin heavy due to friend of a friend hiring. The teachers make 55k (median salary) with an average of 15.8 students per teacher you get roughly 3500. If you factor in the cost of law enforcement for those same kids if they were wondering the streets it's a huge cost saver. That's assuming the kid does nothing with his/her life. 1 cop on the street can not watch 15 teenagers, one teacher in the classroom can. Both get pensions so the idea of saving on that goes away.

I agree they shouldn't be here but since they are I'd rather make more tax payers than more gang bangers.

"well here's the rub. Most of those children are born in the US (anchor babies). As a result of the current law they ARE us citizens. So denying them school access is illegal."

Of course. And no one is trying to deny American citizens access to public schools.

This is a dicy issue though because, schools are funded locally, and through the state. There is generally local district control of funding, and a school district does have the right to exclude from their schools people who do not live in the district, and pay taxes there.

Illiegals aliens often hide where they actually live, so determining which district and which school is on the hook for that free education, can be difficult.

Public schools allow foreign students legally in the country to attend for free, and also exchange students temporarily in the country.

This is a scam worked by a number of the foreign exchange organizations because they charge the exchange students "tuition" which is then pocketed by these organizations rather than using it to offset the costs to the taxpayers.

Public schools are paid for by property taxes. To collect the property taxes paid by illegal immigrants while denying them access to public education is grotesque.

But no more grotesque than having laws against immigration in the first place.

But no more grotesque than having laws against immigration in the first place. -- Drew at May 12, 2014 2:50 PM

Every country in the world has laws about, and against, immigration.

I have no problem with legal immigrants. There are some basic standard that are followed, such as immunization, living arrangements, income, etc.

The problem is that with illegal immigrants none of that is checked. So they come in and don't follow the standards for driver licenses, jobs or income, they are more likely to be involved in identity theft, work cash under the table, not pay taxes, use the welfare services and not contribute to any tax coffers.

So please whine all you want. But you are simply wrong.

And in the meantime, many individuals can't seem to decide which is worse - unemployment or dropping birth rates in the U.S.

They need to make up their minds. Maybe we could make it easier to immigrate legally?

Actually JimP working with illegals for so many years most do pay taxes. Not all, but most do especially the ones that have been here a number of years.

For those of you curious in manufacturing they are paid as if they are legal residents (not sure how accounting works that out) and then overtime is not the standard 1.5. Instead it's not reported, it's cash and it's the same hourly rate.

Or they're hired as sub contracts.

I worked for a hard line Republican/conservative whose whole company was illegals. He would have replaced my ass too with one of he could have.

I really think we need to come down on the large companies doing this....it's essentially slave labor so the business owner can pocket money at the expense of the taxpayer.

(Some didn't make enough and because their kids were legal they got some form of welfare)

For those of you curious in manufacturing they are paid as if they are legal residents (not sure how accounting works that out) and then overtime is not the standard 1.5. Instead it's not reported, it's cash and it's the same hourly rate. -- Ppen at May 12, 2014 7:27 PM

That means they are using some sort of Tax ID number of someone else to report on, or in other words identity theft.

The overtime (it's not reported, it's cash) means it is effectively untaxed earnings.

I worked for a hard line Republican/conservative whose whole company was illegals. So that is collusion. Or you could have called INS/ICE. Why didn't you?

Actually I did, and nothing was done.

But I do like your assumption.

I believe the IRS gives out tax id numbers to residents and non residents. I am not sure, you can look it up but I believe this is what one of the illegals told me. Im always curious how they do things.

Also if they do not use the above they usually dont steal anyones identity. Usually they borrow someones SSN (a legal sister for example). I know I have to say this...because someone on here will say its still illegal. Yes I know Im just saying they usually dont steal it. Its a community where people trade this kind of stuff with each other.

One person bribed the DMV and got a bunch of legal licenses for people. Ive seen them lease cars and buy homes.

Its so entrenched in my field I no longer care and will not report it again. My manager confided in me he would have done the same but its pointless. He was right.

And one last point, they usually dont file tax returns. So there is money they put into the system and never get back.

So the tax issue isnt so black and white.

I think they shouldnt be here because it is slave labor and im tired of subsidizing cheap labor-whether it is this or Walmart.

BUt lets be honest neither side will do anything. Maybe if we legalize drugs things will improve.

Unless I'm mistaken, schools are funded largely by property taxes and you don't pay property taxes unless you own a house. I doubt many illegals own houses.

Unless I'm mistaken, schools are funded largely by property taxes and you don't pay property taxes unless you own a house. I doubt many illegals own houses.

Posted by: BunnyGirl at May 13, 2014 12:18 AM

You are correct but the guy who owns rental property pays taxes too, but not enough to cover three families worth of kids in one house.

So Ppen, your situation seems a bit different from what I see around here. I can assure you that around here, most of the illegals are paying little or nothing in the way of taxes:

1. Wherever they work, they are paid in all cash. There is no withholding. (Consequently, SS#'s aren't a problem.)

2. They buy groceries and stuff through a network of illegals, so no sales tax.

3. They mostly drive unlicensed, using old vehicles with expired tags. Sometimes they will steal a valid tag off of another vehicle.

So about the only taxes they are paying is property tax, indirectly through rent. However, even that's not always the case... there's a fair number that will find a piece of property out in the sticks, squat on it, and move an old trailer or camper in.

Of course, there are exceptions. But that's the most common situation around here. When you consider that they tie up a disproportionate amount of the criminal justice system, on top of various welfare services, I feel safe in saying that government is spending a lot more on them then they are paying in taxes.

"I really think we need to come down on the large companies doing this....it's essentially slave labor so the business owner can pocket money at the expense of the taxpayer."

This bit is true. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is a huge amnesty supporter. I wish more people could see what is happening here -- between amnesty and jacking up minimum wages, it's a pretty transparent attempt to price the American hourly-wage worker out of the job market.