Victim Of Oregon Gunman Believes Gun Control Made Her More Vulnerable
Ruth Styles writes in the Daily Mail:
Cheyeanne Fitzgerald, 16, remains critically ill in hospital following an operation to remove one of her kidneys but her brother Jesse, speaking exclusively to DailyMail.com outside the Mercy Medical Center in Roseburg, says she is beginning to improve.He also revealed that the family have discussed the issue of gun ownership and said that all - including Cheyeanne - remain opposed to controls.
...'We're pro second amendment, pro guns,' said Jesse. 'My sister, my mother, my whole family are all in favor. We were talking about it in the hospital and none of us have changed our minds.'
...Jesse's comments on gun control echo the statement released by the family of another victim, Quinn Cooper, 18, who was shot dead by depraved Harper-Mercer on Thursday.
In a statement released on Friday, his grieving family said their lives were 'shattered beyond repair' but said Quinn's death should not be used as a means of advancing arguments in favour of gun control.'We are hearing so many people talk about gun control and taking people's guns away,' they said.
'If the public couldn't have guns it wouldn't help since sick people like this will always be able to get their hands on a gun.
'We need to be able to protect ourselves as a community and as a nation. Please don't let this horrible act of insanity become about who should or shouldn't have a gun.
I am a concealed carry permit holder. Today I went to Clackamas Town Center (where there was a shooting a few years ago), Costco, Target, Toys R US, Dollar Tree, Fred Meyer, Fisherman's Marine. Of those places, the only ones not posted as gun free zones were Fred Meyer and Fisherman's Marine, who had their own large sign saying concealed carry was welcome and supported as done in accordance with the law. All these posted gun free zones effectively negate concealed carry permits and make it pointless to carry if you can't go anywhere without needing to lock up your gun in your car. I feel I'd be the least likely to need my gun if I'm in my car.
BunnyGirl at October 13, 2015 10:34 PM
When seconds are an eternity ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4FuCEiVLlw
Palestine: today in the morning Zionist rabbi killed and other wounded when a Palestinian "ِAlaa Abu Jamal", drove his car into bus station crashing them, then start after that stabbing them by knife, the Israeli Occupation Force Killed him after a while shooting him dead. (13th Oct,2015).
Bob in Texas at October 14, 2015 4:12 AM
BunnyGirl, you should ask the manager of Costco, or Target or one of the other gun-free zones if they're accepting the responsibility to keep you safe while in their stores.
I have a feeling they'll have the "deer in the headlights" look. Or they'll say "yes" and not realize just how much responsibility that is.
I R A Darth Aggie at October 14, 2015 6:23 AM
Which raises a question: does the owner or proprietor of a "gun free zone" public accommodation have a duty to protect people on the premises? If there is a shooting, can they be sued for failure to protect?
(Normally this is the sort of thing I am opposed to, but what's sauce for the goose, etc.)
Cousin Dave at October 14, 2015 6:39 AM
The short answer Cousin Dave, is anyone can be sued for anything.
What needs to be evaluated is your chances of winning.
That will be a state by state calculation.
It depends, actually on whether your particular court system sees the a mass shooting as a *reasonably foreseeable harm* that the business in question has a duty to protect you from, and if any measures that they put in place would be a reasonable response to such a threat.
My advice, when you see a sign on a business saying "no guns allowed". Check your state law. Some of these signs have the force of state law behind them. Others are just store policy.
If it is a store policy you are violating, my opinion is, carry anyway. Nothing they can do to you, except ask you to leave.
A lot of business will tell you, that their commie insurance company required the signs, Which IMHO is 90 percent bullshit.
If it is state law, than weigh your options. My response would be to not shop at that store anymore.
Isab at October 14, 2015 9:34 AM
Chances are they're just carrying out a corporate policy.
If you write to Target's or Costco's corporate offices and ask if the companies are accepting that responsibility, you'll get a legalese statement that accepts no responsibility for anything that happens.
Try asking them how the gun-free zone policy will keep you safe and see what you get.
If nothing else, your survivors will have something to present in court.
Does the owner or proprietor of a "gun free zone" public accommodation actually have the right to ban something the law allows.
Conan the Grammarian at October 14, 2015 9:49 AM
Does the owner or proprietor of a "gun free zone" public accommodation actually have the right to ban something the law allows.
Posted by: Conan the Grammarian at October 14, 2015 9:49 AM
You can ban just about anything in your store, as long as you don't run afoul of the ADA or racial discrimination laws.
The problem comes with enforcement.
If a store has no ability to do anything beyond asking you to leave, who really cares what they *ban*?
Isab at October 14, 2015 10:35 AM
Isab:
I would assume that includes all discrimination laws. Would the law also prohibit you from banning women, for instance?
Patrick at October 14, 2015 4:35 PM
My husband and I have always said if any one of us or our immediate family become a victim of a shooting in a gun free zone we will file a lawsuit against the owner/business that made the ban. They have denied us, as legal concealed carry holders, the ability to defend and protect ourselves. I'm willing to bet there would be pro Second Amendment/pro gun rights organizations interested in taking on the case to challenge the laws.
I feel that if it is an establishment open to the public regardless of a membership requirement or private property, the businesses should not be able to implement a ban unless they are assuming responsibility for everyone's safety and prevention. If it's a private residence, allow or ban whatever you want.
Costco has a weapons ban as a condition of membership, although it was damn near impossible to know it existed in the first place. They had it on their corporate website hidden behind multiple links and not with all the other membership info, but about a year ago now have it in the membership agreement itself. I only discovered it when I got my renewal in the mail and went online to find out if it was a new policy.
BunnyGirl at October 14, 2015 4:40 PM
"I would assume that includes all discrimination laws. Would the law also prohibit you from banning women, for instance?"
I'm wondering why and how it became normal for the Federal government to make individuals doing business enforce the Constitution.
If you can't get up three flights of stairs, I might lose your business if I'm up there. Yet I will get sued under the ADA for not allowing five-hundred-pound Alice to come buy fitness equipment.
Thousands of laws are enabled by craven people eager to assert power over others with no measurable benefit.
I'm surprised no one has sued WalMart for the hideous emotional distress of having guns for sale in the same building with toys.
Radwaste at October 14, 2015 4:44 PM
"Just today we had a similar incident where a civilian, well-trained, armed with a pistol, was stabbed in the back. He turned around, used his pistol and eliminated the stabber,"
Thus endeth the lesson.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 15, 2015 11:21 AM
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