Dunham seems to think her fan base will desert her if she looks too good. She's very ill at ease with other women who do care about how they look. Personally, I think her whole routine is tiresome.

Personally, I think she, and every their child molester, should be shot it the head and have the corpse hung from the nearest bridge

Lena Dunham: killing woodies for more than a few years.

I think that it's fair to say that Lena Dunham likes drawing attention to herself. That's what always gets her into trouble.

At least she's not claiming the camera man molester her.

And I think that Katie Glass is right. Lena's 'brand' is being the dumpy white wictim girl who speaks truth to power. She's like the SJW's answer to Kim Kardasian.

Being seen in flattering photos, in a fashion shoot no less, goes against that image. So she had to claim that she was tricked. And then when it came to light that she wasn't - blame society!

Kick 'er while she's down, okay? Her cysts are all 'splodey.

She is like Bridget Jones

Personally, I think she, and every their child molester, should be shot it the head and have the corpse hung from the nearest bridge

So, lujlp, what are you trying to say? How do you really feel about Lena Dunham.

Honestly, it's just so tiresome sometimes trying to figure out how you feel about something. Seriously, work on being more direct.

Kidding aside, I did not know this about her. I Googled it and discovered she was sexually experimenting on her younger sister. How disgusting. Now I'm wondering why anyone hires her for anything.

I dont care about her a a person either way, I just hate child molesters and think the death penalty should be expanded to include them

Lena Dunham wants to be that girl who's unsure about herself, who has issues feeling she'll never be "pretty," who dresses frumpily because she's not a perfect body-type like the Victoria's Secret models, and who will always be slightly (or more) neurotic; she wants to be a female Woody Allen.

If she shows up pretty on a magazine cover, that puts a lie to her carefully constructed self-image; it means she can be attractive. She must then insist she was photoshopped and retouched, so she can get back to being a self-loathing creative genius.

Kick 'er while she's down, okay? ~ Posted by: Crid at March 6, 2016 9:33 AM

This kind of person is always down. Down is part of her self-identity.

I dont care about her a a person either way, I just hate child molesters .... ~ Posted by: lujlp at March 6, 2016 10:49 AM

One more thing she has in common with Woody Allen, bot took advantage of people too young to stop them.

There was a story that she'd molested a little cousin or something... I'll never care enough to learn the details. But the thing is, no mere child has the erotic imagination to lasciviously molest another without having had it happen to his- or her- self, whether by an adult or another abused child. Pinsky used to talk about this on his radio show... A lot of endometriosis and similar ailments are the body's way of expressing pain from older intrusion.

She's a clumsy buffoon, but the cheapjack layer of tawdry entertainment is full of clumsy buffoons. If you wanted grace and thoughtful insight, you had no business surfing those channels or reading those books or going to those theaters (etc) anyway.

A simple woman is hurting. No reason not to wish her the best.

She was too attractive in that photo?

Pinsky used to talk about this on his radio show... A lot of endometriosis and similar ailments are the body's way of expressing pain from older intrusion.

This sounds pleasingly plausible but there's no evidence for it.

And she's taking the easy way out -- to give up on trying to look attractive instead of doing the best with what she has. It's a marketing ploy; it's not about being a "better" sort of person.

Amy, that's just so fucked up. It's pathetic. I quote a doctor describing his personal observation, one from his career spent dealing with people troubled with weakness and be-drugged, broken families; You reply that there's no "evidence."

As if you've made a great study of the matter, and have a file cabinet full of indexed data which you'd consulted before posting the reply.

Could this BE a more transparent defense mechanism? Is your presumption of your own rationality that deep, so profound that you can't even see it?

Over many years we've agreed on many things. But no case, not one, has our alignment (or your persuasion) been enabled by your chatter about "science-based" thinking or "evidence." Not once.

It's hokey.

> Younger women use her as a role
> model at their peril.

Yes, but so what? It was the same with Ellie Mae Clampett and Ethel Mertz. We don't have to hate this kid just because she's the latest.

"Role models," both as exemplars and as a paradigm of mutual influence, are useless.

>> Now I'm wondering why anyone hires her for anything.

They don't. Her only professional writing credit is for Girls, which is her own show. And her only professional collaboration has been with Judd Apatow.

But as to why she gets a pass, I think there are a couple of reasons..

1. She reliably promotes Progressive causes and candidates, which gains her a certain amount of protection.

2. I think that a lot of her supporters chose not to believe the account in her autobiography - she has an established history of salacious lies and exaggerations, so there is reason to believe that the molestation story may have been the same.

I remember when her account of molesting her sister, over many years, became public. She tried to claim that the backlash was part of a right wing conspiracy and her supporters in the media tried to paint the account as a minor and accidental incident of childhood curiosity.

They deliberately concealed the fact that she'd written an extensive account of sexual behavior towards her sister that proceeded well into her teens. And she characterized her own behavior as molestation in her boook.

Soon after, she had to retract a claim that she'd been raped by a Republican at Oberlin, and then want underground for a while.

But I think that even a lot of her original supporters are sick of her at this point. She's honestly kind of creepy and pathetic, and a huge attention whore.

Dunham: I'm not blaming anyone (y'know, except society at large.)

Monty Python's Dead Bishop sketch:

Detective: (Michael Palin) What's all this then, Amen!

Mother (Terry Jones): Are you the church police?

All the police officers: (in unison) Ho, Yes!

Mother: There's another dead bishop on the landing, vicar sargeant!

Detective: Uh, Detective Parson, madam. I see... suffrican, or diocisian?

Mother: 'Ow should I know?

Detective: It's tatooed on the back o' their neck. (spying the tart) 'Ere, is that rat tart?

Mother: yes.

Detective: Disgusting! Right! Men, the chase is on! Now we should all kneel!

(they all kneel)

All: O Lord, we beseech thee, tell us 'oo croaked Leicester!

(thunder)

Voice of the Lord: The one in the braces, he done it!

Klaus (Eric Idle): It's a fair cop, but society's to blame.

Detective: Agreed. We'll be charging them too.

Crid. I think it was a case of overactive curiosity with her little sister. As I recalled she said she enjoyed it, so it continued. I don't recall if she said she was molested earlier, but I guess she could have been. At any rate, she didn't think it was wrong.

Look, I'm embarrassed for the "defense mechanism" thing, because I'm not a psychology kind of guy... It's precisely the sort of witless presumption I was trying to discredit.

But Shit Fuck, it's just so OBVIOUS.

A person says But I'm more rational than others, so I see deeper truths.

Why the fuck should anyone believe you, except that you desperately want them to?

Yeah... Sure... You can tell some people on a blog that you're a Nigerian prince with short-term cash flow problem. AND A FEW OF THEM WILL BELIEVE YOU. But why should they?

Not for pompous, childlike chatter about "evidence," as a koan.

Sheesh, here's this woman again...

Ben: She was too attractive in that photo?

Maybe not to you and me but it's got thousands of male raccoons furiously masturbating.

Yeah JD. The eye liner thing doesn't do much for me. All I see is an average woman in an unattractive dress (sack'o'potato style). I'm not clear what the coffee mug with the 'ON' is about in the overlay. Or even the don't symbols.

Now don't get me wrong. I'm not calling her ugly. As I said, average. Playboy bunny this certainly aint. So I don't get the 'I'm too attractive in that photo. You must have altered it without my consent.' thing.

Lena Dunhams parents are class 5 creepazoids, so I would be too surprised if she'd been molested.

Check out her dad's (Caroll Dunham) paintings - zeeesh!

Class *5* is creepazoidal indeed.

Maybe she just does a great job of looking bad, but I don't believe those thighs aren't photoshopped. She's bigger than that, plain and simple.

Sheezus, you fuckers is harsh.

Y'know, I've never consumed ten seconds of Dunham product. I'm 57 years old, male, and don't give a rat's ass. I'm not her customer, and she knows it.

But if you came to me and told me that there was a celebrity, even a (typically) brittle one, who was trying to make a living by saying "Hollywood's beauty standards have little to do with the appearance of typical woman," and you told me this celebrity was furthermore wrapping this sensibility in a banner of feminism, however poorly defined...

...I'd be totally cool with it.

Again, I haven't bought any of her product, so I don't know with certainty.

But if you're reaching out into the world to tell others that Dunham just isn't *pretty* enough, you might be experiencing a failure of awareness.

She'll always have more feminist cred with me than Steinem.

The waitress in the donut shop has more feminist cred than Steinem.

I dont care about her a a person either way, I just hate child molesters and think the death penalty should be expanded to include them

Actually (at least in Florida), the death penalty does include child molesters...sort of. It will never happen, but capital punishment can be applied if the victim is 12 years old or younger, or if the sexual organs are injured.

FWIW, it *is* photoshopped, and it *is* a crappy job. Look at the legs - especially the left leg. There's no way it attaches to the rest of the body, unless her left hip is dislocated.

The legs in the actual, original pic are different.

Crid,

I'm not complaining she isn't pretty enough. I'm expressing confusion and incredulity that she feels she is too pretty/sexy in that picture. The posing is awkward. And that dress is hideous. Clearly the woman has body image issues.

We all look bad sometimes. But she is bothered she doesn't look worse?

"A simple woman is hurting. "

She may be "simple" in terms of intellect, but she's not "simple" in terms of being an average Jane. She's a textbook Cluster B in full-up, pedal-to-the-metal narcissistic rage mode, which is where she stays pretty much all of the time. As for why she is successful, mew mew nailed it above: She's a Party hack dressed up as an entertainer. A glorified apparatchik.

> Clearly the woman has body
> image issues.

Clearly, you say? She has "issues"? The "body image" kind? Because these are terms of fierce condemnation. So if they're true, we should probably beat the shit out of her and be really angry. We should take her favorite parking space and knock her garbage cans over in the alley.

> She's a Party hack dressed up
> as an entertainer. A glorified
> apparatchik.

Fuck everything, let's just hire a drifter to get her out of our way. This morning I saw a guy with beard stubble hanging out by the 7-11... He had a bundle of stuff on a stick, won't be in town too long, but I could see from the way his eyes moved that he knew who was who and what was what, if you catch my meaning. Okay everybody, $10. Let's do this. Here we go: Conan, Nicole, Me, Gog, Amy, Darth....




Celebrities exist for just this purpose... Stipulated. And I mean actually, the comeuppance! phase of fame is the favorite for anyone with a clear view of human nature.

It's just that the expressions of dislike for Dunham are always very wordy for being so meatless. What did she ever do to anyone?

Note to self. Never invite Crid to a bulimia support group. Those people have enough problems without being physically attacked.

Correct: NEVER INVITE ME TO A BULIMIA SUPPORT GROUP.




Sheezus.

@a_random_guy: I don't see the difference, aside from cropping the original picture above the knees. Scale the pictures so the heads are the same size and the thigh gap is the same.

Now, the original picture might be photoshopped to widen the hips and push the thighs outward - it's not anatomically impossible, but the width of the dress in that area implies the pelvic girdle of a much larger woman. Also, do knees bend that way?

I know this is tangential, but this is the second time I've seen you trot out the "feminists are pitting themselves against SAHM" in an article that doesn't have anything to do with that and I just can't take it at face value.

I see feminists defending the value of the work that I do taking care of my kids. I see anti-feminists making fun of women for calling it "work". Can you guess which group I think is more likely to have my back?