You are tragically, despicably, criminally wrong about this.

If undercover agents approached you and tried to entice you into joining a murderous jihad group, how hard would it be to convince you to do it?

Speaking strictly for myself, I have absolutely no worries of ever being entrapped in this way...

Oh? Say you're approached by a group of fanatical Muslims at a time and place where help will not be forthcoming if you try to scream.

Knowing that these people have no moral reservations about taking a machete and removing your head as an apostate should you refuse, how does your stance of self-righteous refusing sound now?

Would you still refuse (and have your head mounted on pikestaff right then and there) or would you cooperate for the time-being and flee at the earliest opportunity?

Patrick's incessant naiveté is for once forgivable: Amy, are you truly, honestballs so desperate to appear urbane --as conveniently measured against the most primitive cultures on our planet-- that you'll happily encourage the worst bullying from law American law enforcement to ensure your posture of sophistication?

Because I'd see little distance between your stance and those of the power-addled six-graders of the TSA, who are feeling up the boobies of women all over out continent on this holiday weekend.

...Or do you just want the thrill of pretentiously screeching that I, or Patrick, or any other fucker on this planet "don't know anything about Islam"?

Two sharp coworkers told me this week that they thought Trump would be our next President. I can no longer doubt that typical Americans, even the coastal ones, are so shallow.

Crid, actually, it does not make me "urbane" to talk about the realities of Islam; it comes with some risk of being considered a "bigot," though I don't hate any person.

This is a murder-commanding ideology you know nothing about, yet feel no compunction about pontificating on. It's just bizarre.

This lady you link either lies about or is ignorant of Islam. I didn't watch the video; I looked up news articles by her.

http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest-columns/20151124-sahar-aziz-identifying-the-wrong-culprit-for-terrorism.ece

"To be sure, Al Qaeda and its progeny, Islamic State, employ Islamic rhetoric to legitimize their political agendas. They pick and choose verses in the Quran and Hadiths to justify an apocalyptic ideology rooted in a clash-of-civilizations worldview."

This is a common lie about Islam. In fact, the later passages in the Quran, when Mohammed gained power, abrogate (nullify) the earlier more peaceful passages.

The Quran is to be taken literally and unquestioningly as the word of Allah, and Mohammed's actions (in the Hadith) are to be emulated. Mohammed, the raping, looting, mass-murderer.

Here's Raymond Ibrahim:

http://www.meforum.org/4740/islam-protestant-reformation

· The New Testament preaches peace, brotherly love, tolerance, and forgiveness—for all humans, believers and non-believers alike. Instead of combatting and converting "infidels," Christians are called to pray for those who persecute them and turn the other cheek (which is not the same thing as passivity, for Christians are also called to be bold and unapologetic). Conversely, the Koran and Hadith call for war, or jihad, against all non-believers, until they either convert, accept subjugation and discrimination, or die.

· The New Testament has no punishment for the apostate from Christianity. Conversely, Islam's prophet himself decreed that "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

· The New Testament teaches monogamy, one husband and one wife, thereby dignifying the woman. The Koran allows polygamy—up to four wives—and the possession of concubines, or sex-slaves. More literalist readings treat women as possessions.

· The New Testament discourages lying (e.g., Col. 3:9). The Koran permits it; the prophet himself often deceived others, and permitted lying to one's wife, to reconcile quarreling parties, and to the "infidel" during war.

It is precisely because Christian scriptural literalism lends itself to religious freedom, tolerance, and the dignity of women, that Western civilization developed the way it did—despite the nonstop propaganda campaign emanating from academia, Hollywood, and other major media that says otherwise.

And it is precisely because Islamic scriptural literalism is at odds with religious freedom, tolerance, and the dignity of women, that Islamic civilization is the way it is—despite the nonstop propaganda campaign emanating from academia, Hollywood, and other major media that says otherwise.

How retarded are some of these followers? And that is a serious question and not prejudicial. In the war on drugs police often use the retarded to commit crimes. It is entrapment at it's most basic level and I see no reason they wouldn't do the same thing in the war on terror. Why go hunting for criminals that may or may not exist when you can ensure your funding by manufacturing some of your own?

There is is a cultural problem. Circles of non-integrated immigrants - people who cannot ever fit in, because they have no education, no skills, and no hope of obtaining any. People living in an Islamic bubble isolated, can convince themselves of stupid things.

However...

"How retarded are some of these followers?"

...you didn't think the FBI was trying to entrap the best and brightest? That's the problem with some of the entrapment schemes: The FBI picks on the gullible, the one's a few cans short of a six-pack. They create "terrorists" out of wannabe loudmouths who would never be able to put a plot together themselves.

Isn't it pretty much the same historically illiterate and clueless individuals who wonder now why Muslims don't stand up to terrorists, and jihadists, and moderate Muslims don't do more to speak out against it?

I suspect this same group of idiots were wondering why the Jews didn't stand up to Hitler, the ordinary Chinese didn't stand up to Mao, and the Russian middle class didn't take out Stalin. (If they ever had any understanding of what happens when radical ideology gets power and money)

Journalism and journalists have become a plague on serious thinking, and academic enquiry.

There are a number of very complex historical and cultural concepts that can neither be explained or understood at a 6th grade reading level.

And America has been the safest place on earth for loud mouthed lunk heads to spew out simplistic idiocy on any number of topics for far too long.

A clensing of the gene pool is long over due.

A clensing of the gene pool is long over due.

And everybody imagines that "someone else" will be "cleansed" - even a bunch of those people buying guns and ammo every time a Democrat talks.

Not sure what I said that Crid considers so "naive," but whatever. My friends tell me my naivete is my most endearing quality.

Another trip to the Persian Gulf, another sighting of Moby Crid. Looks like he’s still got harpoons in him from May 17’s Sex Talk for Muslim Women. That was (spectacular?). Rolling and thrashing. He damaged a few boats before disappearing into the deeps of the internet. And he never forgets.
We should bifurcate this discussion into what theology commands and what governments do. The U.S. even has laws about that. Amy's stance on government overreach is well documented; as is her commitment to calling out sources of bad behavior. Islam makes the latter list quite often, and for good cause I think. Show of hands who think they will see peace in the Middle East in their lifetime?
They've got money, education, internet. Unless you want to say it's racial, their religion is what sets them apart.

A clensing of the gene pool is long over due.

And everybody imagines that "someone else" will be "cleansed" - even a bunch of those people buying guns and ammo every time a Democrat talks.

Radwaste at May 29, 2016 8:58 AM

I don't imagine anything of the sort. The trouble with revolutions is often those people most needed to rebuild civilization become the targets of the mob.

BUT Those with no preparation for hard times at all and no survival skills are usually are the first to go.

"They've got money, education, internet. Unless you want to say it's racial, their religion is what sets them apart."

Wrong on both counts. It is cultural and crosses both ethnic and religious lines.

I see you also seem to want to discount and ignore millions of Muslims who are neither Arabs or Persians nor advocate jihad.

"Hey buddy, let's go blow up some kids in a pizza joint!".

*No.*

Easy peasy.

The "best" kafir is a dead one.

"that you'll happily encourage the worst bullying from law American law enforcement to ensure your posture of sophistication?"

Methinks you are over the top, Crid, by saying this about Amy.

Gog Magog: "Hey buddy, let's go blow up some kids in a pizza joint!".

*No.*

Easy peasy.

Okay, now suppose you're a Muslim and approached in an isolated location by a bunch of fanatical Muslims who believe in jihad and that those Muslims who don't believe in jihad are apostates that should be beheaded.

"Hey, buddy, let's go blow up some kids in a pizza joint!"

"No."

And the next day, they would find your head on a pikestaff at that location. The rest of your body conveniently located nearby.

> My friends tell me my naivete
> is my most endearing quality.

Flattery was not their intention.

"Okay, now suppose you're a Muslim and approached in an isolated location by a bunch of fanatical Muslims who believe in jihad and that those Muslims who don't believe in jihad are apostates that should be beheaded."

Okay, now suppose you're a Muslim in Minneapolis.

> This is a murder-commanding ideology
> you know nothing about

I know more about it than you do: Your pretense of learnedness is transparent. Get the picture? This childishness empowers the worst of strongg-armed American idiocy. Or did you skip the Aziz video? Thedala McGee will always be grateful for your enthusiasm: She needs the gig.

Spencer is being deliberately obtuse. Robert Spencer is a grown man. These are young men in various states of disillusion. We see such young men, sans Islam, join violent gangs, engage in mindless violence and sometimes even shoot up their schools. Extreme and violent ideologies have always been able to recruit them for these purpose. This absolutely is the FBI finding unhappy isolated young men, acting like the brain-washing Jihadist recruiters that litter the middle east and then expecting a pat on the back for it.

"Thedala McGee will always be grateful for your enthusiasm: She needs the gig."

Nope. You've lost touch. The misbehavior of police is not any sort of proof that there is no problem, however much arguments about cause and effect proceed.

This is the FBI sweeping up the wanna-be jihadis before they become the real thing. Or maybe I'm mistaken about San Bernardino, and the Minnesota American youth doing bad things in bad places. After all, the media reports. I merely decide.

There are alternatives to one's head ending up on a pike. Like saying yes, and turning the recruiters in to the authorities. The prisons are, after all, full of recruiters. Too bad they are the Saudi sponsored clerics and not the ones turned in by our Islamic fellow countrymen.

> You've lost touch.

Naw, Muffin, I'll always be here for you… You know that. And you'll always need me, it seems.

> The misbehavior of police is
> not any sort of proof that
> there is no problem

Who precisely needs, wants, or even tried to prove "that there is no problem"?

" Like saying yes, and turning the recruiters in to the authorities"

Which is what happens a lot of the time. In many of these entrapment cases, the people they tried to recruit reported them to the FBI. Or concerned family members did. They keep trying until they find some kid dumb enough to go along with them. This is how cults work.

"Who precisely needs, wants, or even tried to prove "that there is no problem"?"

See, this is exactly where your awesome sauce with the English language runs out.

Simpletons like me see Amy going on about abuses committed by Muslims - with citations - and here you are shouting she's wrong.

What else is a moron to think but that your claim is that there is no problem?

That there are cultural elements beyond Islam that lead to violence associated with it is not in doubt - but it is beyond ludicrous to suggest that this violence would be supported by other faiths in this century, OR that it is not a bellweather.

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Now, back on logical grounds: "You've lost touch" is because your statement does not follow your argument logically. This is independent of anyone being here to point that out.
The subsequent sentence merely explains why. Your enthusiasm for the topic led to inaccuracy. Again.

I expect Andrew M. Garland to post shortly, and with a few short sentences straighten everything out, as is his habit.

I can hope.

> Simpletons like me see Amy going
> on about abuses committed by
> Muslims - with citations - and
> here you are shouting she's wrong.

Yet again, you're just certain I'm wrong, but can't be bothered to say how... Just going on and shouting, and a plea on behalf of morons... Who'll take what they want out of everything anyway.