If you're going to marry your adopted daughter, you'd better be able to take a joke.

It's okay because he's one of us, he's an artist, he's Woody Allen, and so on.

Another example of personal deception on many levels but isn't that the norm.

I think we think we know more about Woody Allen than we do.

This was certainly the case with Marlon Brando, whom I knew well.

On Allen and Soon-Yi Previn -- who was NOT his adopted daughter.

http://www.ibtimes.com/woody-allen-wife-soon-yi-their-bizarre-history-ronan-farrow-addresses-sex-abuse-2367707

Despite being about 35 years older — and her pseudo stepfather — Allen started an affair with Soon-Yi in 1992. Farrow admittedly beat Soon-Yi, reportedly cut up her clothes and banned her from the family home when she found out about it. Soon-Yi was around 21 years old at the time the relationship began.

Even though Allen was accused of grooming and molesting Soon-Yi, the way he allegedly did with adopted daughter Dylan Farrow, both he and Soon-Yi have denied the accusation. In fact, Soon-Yi said in a Time magazine interview in 1992 that it was “laughable” to consider Allen as a paternal figure.

“To think that Woody was in any way a father or stepfather to me is laughable,” Soon-Yi said. “My parents are Andre Previn and Mia, but obviously they’re not even my real parents. I came to America when I was 7. I was never remotely close to Woody.”

Soon-Yi:

http://jezebel.com/all-mias-children-the-tangled-branches-of-the-farrow-1516793360

"I'm not a retarded little underage flower who was raped, molested and spoiled by some evil stepfather—not by a long shot. I'm a psychology major at college who fell for a man who happens to be the ex-boyfriend of Mia."

...Soon-Yi regularly made the dean's list at Drew. She graduated in 1995 and went on to get her masters in special education from Columbia University in 1998. She taught fourth grade at Spence, an exclusive private school in Manhattan.

So, Woody didn't use drugs so he could sodomize Soon-Yi in a hot tub?

You taking notes, there, Roman?

Really, Conan, who makes THAT accusation-mistake anymore? Only hotheaded, angry teens who hate all adults and are too lazy to Google, I would think. I knew better within days after the scandal broke. The mainstream media made it clear that Woody never lived with Mia's family and did not relate as a dad to the kids he did not adopt.

For the record, I don't believe the accusation regarding Dylan and Woody, mainly because:

1. Mia does sound like an abusive, brainwashing mother (and it would explain why Soon-Yi has never expressed any regrets over getting involved with Woody, to my knowledge)

2. Mia's pretty much admitted to potential paternity fraud (and Ronan does look more like Sinatra than Woody, I think), so her integrity is very much in question in general

3. Moses Farrow, adopted son of Mia and Woody, was shattered and bitterly angry at Woody over his affair with Soon-Yi to begin with (he was 14 at the time), but he's since broken his allegiance to Mia and sides with Woody.

More on that last one, from 2014:

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/dylan-farrows-brother-moses-mia-farrow-woody-allen/story?id=22377303

Crybully logic: All jokes, even the clean ones, are offensive to somebody somewhere. Therefore, jokes of any kind will be subject to a review of the campus speech police. You will be punished for the offense of telling a joke.

Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock know this and avoid going to any campus.

Guy is a creeper, hands down. Much is wrong with the scenario with Soon-Yi and then the allegation from Dylan. Why people forgive weirdos because they seem harmless and meek to all others except those most vulnerable, versus someone like Mel Gipson, is beyond me. I don't watch Woody's movies, never will. Just a skeevey man making odd movies.

Woody Allen movies strike me as being like the Emperor's New Clothes. Like, they're really not very good, but people pretend like they're great because they think that being a Woody Allen fan makes you smart and cultured and deep.
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Mia Farrow is a nut and Woody Allen is a weirdo. I wouldn't know who to believe. As it doesn't actually affect me, I don't spend too much energy thinking about it. I won't be asking either of them to babysit.

What Ahw said. Never really cared for his films either. And of course I wouldn't be asking any of the glitterati to babysit. Otherwise it is between them and whatever police choose to be involved.

Really, Conan, who makes THAT accusation-mistake anymore? ~ lenona at May 12, 2016 10:48 AM

Apparently, I do. And, who's accusing? I was making a joke.

I didn't follow the case very closely and thought Soon-Yi was Woody's adopted daughter. Since she's not, I'll change my statement.

If you're going to marry your former romantic partner's adopted daughter, you'd better be able to take a joke.

It seems, Woody can take joke. Can you?

On Allen and Soon-Yi Previn -- who was NOT his adopted daughter. ~ Amy Alkon at May 12, 2016 7:17 AM

My bad. Like I said earlier, I didn't follow the case that closely (not a Woody Allen hater or fan).
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You have to admit, there is something a tad bit icky about someone who married a younger woman who had been previously adopted by his former romantic partner.

If we can laugh and snark at Hefner and his "girlfriends" and marriages to years younger women, why is Woody and his 21 years younger wife off limits?

And the Polanski reference in Lafitte's joke was tasteless. Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year old. Let's all have a laugh about that. Quelle drole.

You have to admit, there is something a tad bit icky about someone who married a younger woman who had been previously adopted by his former romantic partner.
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I would never deny that. At the least, Woody had no consideration or sympathy for how his affair would affect Moses or Dylan. Yes, of course we can make jokes about THAT creepiness. I just think that it's silly to keep focusing on that, in particular, after almost a quarter-century, when even Moses has accepted it.

What we should be focusing on is: How likely is it that Mia, with seemingly no regard for Dylan's mental health, brainwashed her (and Ronan) into believing what Dylan now does, out of revenge? How many people have the guts to make anti-Mia jokes about that?

BTW, regarding a vicious letter by Moses, to Woody, that was read in court in 1993 (you can read it here) -

https://books.google.com/books?id=dN4tkWpo_FgC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=%22you+can%27t+force+me+to+live+with+you%22&source=bl&ots=DnKYAlMXce&sig=EOXiUhFctZg9nYAULUM2uJwqsOY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYq87zqtXMAhVLOD4KHU9wD4EQ6AEIJTAD#v=onepage&q=%22you%20can%27t%20force%20me%20to%20live%20with%20you%22&f=false

- The New York Times said (March 24, 1993):

Mr. Allen, who was in his third and final day of testimony, confirmed the letter's authenticity. But under questioning by his own lawyer, Elkan Abramowitz, Mr. Allen insisted that the letter was the product of manipulation by Ms. Farrow, and that his son had used specific words and phrases that she had used in talking to her estranged lover just days before.

He noted that his son wrote, "You probably think that Mom is telling me to say these things, like before," as evidence of her involvement.

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Is Allen a douche for banging his grilfriends daughter?

Absolutly, a creep? She was 21.

Is gooseegg a moron for continuing to post the same old lies hours after people post various links showing why said assertions are shit?

Most definiatly.

I've only seen a couple of Allen's film. They seemed to be fairly believable slice of life type things. Not really what I look for in a film. I dont get the hype

Nothing like sex crimes on this blog to snootily bring up how objective many of you claim to be.

The truth is sex crimes are impossible to be objective on. Guilty people often go free and innocent men often get convicted. You can not count on evidence for this kinda stuff.
So yeah these judgements are always going to be totally based on "faith" and I call bs on anyone who calls themselves "objective" when it comes to public figures. I'm not talking about legal convictions here---because even those we are not good at getting the right man for various reasons---I'm talking about your own personal opinion.

The truth is when it comes to accusations like this you are either in camp I don't care, camp he did it, or camp he didn't do it. But don't bs me with "I'm soo totally objective it's one of those situations where people think they know more than they do". BULLSHIT. You are using your own biased PERSONAL experiences and shitty online articles to come to a conclusion just like the rest of us.

I'm going to blow your mind for anyone saying that because Mia is an abusive nutjob, it's probably not true. Do you think sexual predators partner up with women with healthy psyches who treat their kids well? Do you think siblings are reliable character witnesses? Like because Moses changed his mind that's supposed to prove something either way? Don't you people have siblings that like flip flop family alliances?

My own personal spin on this is Woody did do something but it wasn't full blown sex. Mia traumatized Dylan more than helping her get over it.

As for Soon Yi ....she was being abused by Mia and found a father/lover figure in Woody (read other interviews by Woody he definetly leans on calling himself her father figure AND lover). They started hooking up when she was underage but won't admit it.

There are plenty of instances where really young women find fulfillment and happiness in much older men. Sophia Loren is an example (didn't she meet her hubby at 15?). It doesn't fuck them up because these women where abused to begin with and they find happiness in the stability a much much older older man can bring. So yeah I am sure it's a mixture of father figure/lover between the two of them and I find it super gross and think Woody is a probably piece of shit for boning his gfs daughter and Mia is also a piece of shit for briningimg multiple pieces of shit fathers into her kids lives. Awful awful people all of them.

Ppen nailed it. This is key:

"Do you think sexual predators partner up with women with healthy psyches who treat their kids well? Do you think siblings are reliable character witnesses? ... Don't you people have siblings that like flip flop family alliances?"

The flip flopping of family alliances can come from wading through a childhood terrain of pathological manipulations.

Props to Ppen, Michelle, and anyone else who even passingly acknowledges that Farrow had composed a welter of insane emotional allegiances into a (bogusly) augmented "family."

I can't find the cite, and for that blame Google, though I too should have saved it to disk... But at some point in the last twenty years, Paglia noted that Farrow's feminine (not feminist) energies had spun out of control, such that marrying a person only vaguely described as your 'daughter' was a not-unpredictable response to a woman who was, and I remember these words specifically, "warehousing all those kids."

I've see that kind of warehousing happen, more up-close than I'd care to discuss. Feminine nature, even the parts we like, can bust beyond sane boundaries to damage children, just as can masculine nature (Hi, Arnold!).

I was working at a popular TV entertainment network at the time, and we covered the story like a cheap suit. Dylan —IIRC, Allen's main accuser— seemed like a *very* young man trying to form words through a punishing level of interpersonal stress, something greater than the burden (to us all) of merely telling the truth.

I hope all the children in that 'family,' and even those who were merely under-developed, have found peace.

I assumed the rape joke referred to Dylan, his adopted daughter--not to Soon-Yi Previn. (I had to look the names up again, but Dylan is the daughter who says she was molested, and Ronan was the brother speaking up on her behalf.)

I don't believe anything that happened with Soon-Yi could be construed as rape since she consented and was over 18.

Here is /a/ Camille Paglia essay on the Soon-Yi situation, but I'm not sure it's the one Crid was thinking of:

https://books.google.com/books?id=f_LlAmt--pkC&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=camille+paglia+woody+allen+agonistes&source=bl&ots=END8LHIsQ9&sig=EY9GbQWqqgOjETjbbUs3Rr7zaeU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI84DVk9fMAhUDaz4KHTf7CwgQ6AEIIjAB#v=onepage&q=camille%20paglia%20woody%20allen%20agonistes&f=false

Hey Luj, you can go and love yourself and Woody Allen for all I care. I didn't spread lies. There were assertions made. By Dylan. By Ronan, in Dylan's defense, whose essay I read and whose point was very well made that no one calls out Woody on these allegations, it's just not done by the press with regard to him. So at his next presser, a journalist does just that and it makes news. Didn't say these were facts, just allegations. It's a very very messed up situation. If you can't handle someone pointing that the truths that are known are skeevy, and that most people do carry the opinion that Woody is a perv, then sorry to hurt your feels.

gooseegg, you trotted out allegations proven false, AFTER many people had already talked about how they were false and provided links

Its like 20 people said 2+2=4 and provided links to math sites only for you to come in and say 2+2=6

Its stupid, you added nothing to the conversation, you provided no data or commentary as to why you posted in opposition to reality.

You got called on it, deal with it

Woody Allen would never be considered guilty in America if his movies were still funny because we're a nation of innocent until proven guilty.

We rock like that. We really do. God we're great.

Guess what Luj? I can have my opinion formed by the actions that are absolutely for certain about Woody and come away with the knowledge that he's a pervert without anyone being convicted of anything. Lots of perverts do lots of things that don't require you to sit behind a locked cell. Doesn't mean you should be babysitting anyone's kid. You're just like all the dudes who adored this coach in my high school. He was fabulous. But he was a pervert giving As in world history to any girl who'd go with him. And he was married. But guess what happened to him? Nothing. Got promoted to principal of a different school even. Doesn't change a thing that he was a pervert and any girl who ever took WH knew it. Woody is a perv. Deal.