Well, at least they arent grossly underweight.

But, the horror of lacy pastels on guys cannot be unseen.

Yeah, this just confirms my belief that fashion is the playground of young women and gay men in a select few very-urban enclaves. Go west of the Hudson or east of San Francisco Bay and there is general revulsion to these things. But what do I know? I'm just a cis-hetero middle-aged upper-middle-class style-by-Cabela's white male from a rectangular flyover state. My value to current Western culture is approaching zero anyway.

When I was a kid, we couldn't wait to be adults. We mimicked the adults we saw in the movies and in our lives. We tried to dress grown up and act grown up.

Backwards baseball caps were for catchers, shorts for swimming and tennis, and casual wear was more than a t-shirt and ripped jeans. And rompers were for little girls.

Now, it seems, the adults are mimicking the children. Women want to dress like their daughters and men like their sons. Men eschew suits because they want to wear flip-flops and shorts ... to work. 40-year-old women are squeezing themselves into their daughters' club dresses and rompers.

Even the scruffy guys had style.

These and the ridiculous "onesies" for men will quickly disappear.

I recall a GQ "please accept our apologies" article for touting short pants with suits and other such atrocities.

So fashion writers do sober up now and then. Right now they must be hammered to think anyone is going to wear THAT crap.

Lounge lizards of the 21st century.

Remember:

A pirate's shirt is a woman's blouse.

I don't like lacy pastels even on women.

To note, though: I think this is a runway gimmick, not something men will be adopting on the street any time soon, and that includes the urban fashion enclaves. I live in NYC, and have never seen a man wearing lacy pastels. Pretty much the only florals I've seen on men are Hawaiian shirts on tourists. Yes, even in Chelsea and the Village. I suppose if I really went out of my way to stalk the city looking for a guy wearing pink lace bermuda shorts, I might find one, but just living here, I never have.

For that matter, most of the extreme silliness on the runway for women isn't something you see on the streets of NYC, either. I think we do dress up a bit more compared to much of the country -- e.g., I don't go out on the street in sweats and running shoes unless I'm on my way to work out. And, yeah, you can wear something a bit unusual without people turning to stare, if you are inclined. But some of those freakazoid runway things -- yeah, one or two people on the Met Gala red carpet might wear those, but you won't see them on the street, by and large.

I don't want to see the suntans they'll get from those :-)

As far as I'm concerned, the fashion industry is mostly a rip-off, no matter who you are as a customer. Lately, I've been looking at people on the street, constantly, for decorative clothes I'd actually be WILLING to pay $10 for - and not seeing any. (Never mind the actual prices!)

From a discussion I had elsewhere in 2013:

One thing I loved about being in Italy for a couple of weeks (near Pisa) was that the adults - AND the teens, mostly - dressed with style, elegance, and maturity. No visible commercial logos, no cartoon characters, no writing, no sports symbols. Even the American tourists exercised a certain restraint.

...Yes, Italy is known for expensive clothes, but doesn't mean that anyone was paying retail prices - and besides, just because I said the clothes were nice doesn't mean they were clearly expensive. They may or may not have been. I went to Neiman Marcus recently for the first time in years to see if they still had truly attractive clothes. They didn't. Everything looked pretty boring from a distance, aside from the expensive MATERIALS used. I'd probably have had better luck finding stylish, elegant clothes at my local vintage store. Even Goodwill can bring great rewards if you're just patient and search long enough.

To clarify: It was easy to get the impression, at least, that even poor people in Italy care about looking dignified, attractive and mature - and with a little resourcefulness, one doesn't have to pay retail prices in order to do so.

Terry del Fuego: Just a *different* passionate conformity.

Me: Not sure what you mean. I saw plenty of African peddlars on the Tuscan beach and near it, and their clothes didn't have cartoons or logos either, but even so, they certainly didn't "conform." That is, for all their attractiveness and elegance, no one would have mistaken THEIR clothes for European clothes.

Oh, and another thing I didn't see in Tuscany - clothes that are deliberately ripped or dirty.

I.e., some types of conformity are bad for society and one's mental health, but others are just plain reasonable and mature. The Golden Rule, for one.

1. Who you calling scruffy?
2. I'm not a tourist, and I like my hawaiian shirts. Also fishing shirts.
3. I'll proudly wear my block aTm in Italy. If they find that offensive, tough cookies.

I have known men that were definitely into fashion... but not fashion like this.

The CIO of one of the companies I worked for was very into fashion. I can remember him showing of the latest style of cuffs on his formal business attire shirt - a modified french cuff with some trendy links. The most casual I ever saw him was a polo shirt at a company picnic.

The VP of another company went to Italy ever year to get new clothes from some designer (same one each year). Again very formal.

Darth, I figure this is what you meant -

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22block+atm%22&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjh2JjvjrvUAhXGNz4KHeq8AmQQsAQIIQ&biw=1266&bih=810#imgrc=_

- but what does the word "block" mean, in this case?

They should accessorize with a pussy hat...excuse me, I have to go toss my cookies.