This inspired me to go look up the "Battle of the Sexes" matches from the 1970, when retired male pro and shameless self-promoter Bobby Riggs challenged female pros to a match. There were two played in 1973. The first was Riggs against Margaret Court, who was the #1 rated female player in the world at that time. Court had a better serve, but Riggs kept her off balance by changing speeds, and Riggs won fairly easily, 6-1, 6-2. At the time Riggs was 55 years old and Court was 30. Later that year, Riggs challenged 29-year-old Billie Jean King, who agreed to play a five-set match with Riggs. (Women's matches are usually three sets.) King had studied the tape of Riggs vs. Court and was prepared for Riggs' short game. She fell behind in the first set 2-4, but came back to win it 6-4, and then won in straight sets 6-4, 6-3, 6-3. There was a whole bunch of crowing about these two matches that really didn't amount to much, but the event was a shot in the arm for the popularity of women's tennis.

There was one other Battle of the Sexes singles match played in 1992, Jimmy Connors vs. Martina Navratilova. Both were former #1 rated players but were past their primes at the time of the match, Connors being 40 years old and Navratilova 35. Connors was handicapped by being allowed only one serve per point, and having to defend the doubles court (which is wider than the singles court). Despite these, he won 7-5, 6-2.

I was a swimmer. Guys on our JV team were better than college women with scholarships

I always love it when women say there are no differences between women and men, I hit them with the one two punch of Title IX for college sports scholarships and domestic violence

I grapple, and, whenever I meet a woman who denies that men have strength advantages and who thinks they can kick some guy's ass because they took a couple self-defense courses and do cross-fit, I always suggest they go to a grappling class (BJJ in my case) and challenge the biggest, dumbest white belt there. They WILL lose.

Heck, I've been at this four years and sometimes I'll lose to the biggest, dumbest white belt there when I miscalculate something and get caught in a bad position. Size and strength matter and it's why sports like this have gender and weight classes in competition. Plenty of women can best men bigger than them, but it's because they've become damn-near perfect. Whereas men can best pretty much any women WITHOUT being nearly perfect.

Some guys are even dumb enough to deny that they have a strength advantage and that it's "all about technique." Then I laugh and say, "OK, go to the zoo and challenge the largest male gorilla and try your technique on it."

Some guys are even dumb enough to deny that they have a strength advantage and that it's "all about technique." Then I laugh and say, "OK, go to the zoo and challenge the largest male gorilla and try your technique on it."

sofar at June 26, 2017 10:03 AM

This is a dangerous dangerous state of mind. If you are a woman, your best defense against a man is to never let him get close enough to get his hands on you. No ju jitsu, no karate, no mixed martial arts, no knife is going to save you from any healthy man over the age of about 13.
I know several women who believe this technique garbage and most of them should know better.
In short, buy a gun and learn how to use it.

On the subject or tennis, you will find that Serena William's hitting partners, are good middle of the road NCAA men's players. They need to be good enough to beat her playing a tactical game (like women do). But no so good, they overwhelm her with power like any man ranked n the top thousand would.

Personally I think McEnroe was being quite generous with the 700th comment.

I've never really understood the propaganda about men and women having the same physical abilities. It's clearly not the case. And by saying it is, are you not hinting that in order to be considered an equal person to a man, a woman must also be physically equal? And if you are saying that, is a shorter, smaller man therefore less than a larger man?

Female vs male wrestler:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMsJUkhg0Vc

Comedian Andy Kaufman wrestling women:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6ysXOPRRKo

He offered $1,000 to any woman in the audience who could defeat him. The women in the audience hated him for mocking women for being weaker. When he pinned his most formidable challenger pro-wrestler Jerry Lawler came to the rescue and jumped into the ring and threw him off of her. The women and cheered wildly.

Male cop vs female shoplifter:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7xUCK5d8LA

This is one of the reasons the Gender Critical feminists get so upset about the whole "treat everyone how they identify" thing... males are now allowed to compete as females in school sports, and are winning many of those scholarships and championships.

This is a dangerous dangerous state of mind. If you are a woman, your best defense against a man is to never let him get close enough to get his hands on you. No ju jitsu, no karate, no mixed martial arts, no knife is going to save you from any healthy man over the age of about 13.
I know several women who believe this technique garbage and most of them should know better.
In short, buy a gun and learn how to use it

Which is exactly why I don't take BJJ for self-defense, and neither do most women I train with. I do it for the love of the sport. It's a hobby. It's like human-chess and fantastic exercise (mental and physical).

And that's what I tell EVERYONE who says they want to take it for self-defense. Women who take it for self-defense quit within months because they're getting beaten by every guy in class and figure "What's the point?" But if their goal for joining is, "Because it's fun and a challenge and it's good exercise and I want to compete," they actually last.

My coach has frequently been asked, "Are martial arts good for self-defense?" and his answer is, IF you are without a weapon or can't get to it in time ANd your attacker is unarmed, isn't much bigger than you, and is really stupid/drunk, AND you manage to get the element of surprise by reacting quickly enough AND you've been training for many years, full-contact sparring experience (BJJ, Krav) may give you the right mindset to successfully escape and not panick. That can account for a lot or very little, depending on the situation. You're better off trying to avoid danger and never get into the situation where you're trying to fight off an attacker.

A "female". What's that?

Too funny that men will turn out to be the best "females" at everything but baby makin' and feedin'.

Solves our "women" in combat situation neatly.

As more women's sports are opened up to transgender women, the gap between the abilities of male and "female" athletes will become narrower, and maybe even disappear in some sports.

Female athletes who were born with dicks will set new records and raise the bar in women's sports, kind of the way a pit bull with feathers would raise the bar in cock fighting. The current best female athletes will become mediocre, or just pulp in sports like martial arts, but those with feminist sentiments will at least be able to feel proud that women are finally proving themselves equal to men in sports.

Transgender athletes are still very uncommon, probably not enough of them to completely dominate any women's sports or teams, so cis-women will still take a lot of 2nd and 3rd place and runner-up awards.

Over the years, I wanted to emphasize to my 3 girls as they were young ladies not to get over confident about this "equality" thing in terms of safety, so I told them to put their hands together in front of them. Then I grabbed their 2 wrists with one hand and they could not get free. An average man over 60 could hold them with 1 hand easily--it wasn't even a contest. I have also had women hit me or try to and it is comical. Without a frying pan or knife a woman simply can't hurt a man (most women).
But so what--that is not how we should be judging people except in combat. The problem is this insistence on men and women being identical. They aren't.

Now now. We all know how this will shake out. There will be women only divisions and man/woman divisions. Because men playing with only men is discriminatory but women playing with only women is affirming or some such bs.

And both have to get the same funding. Because otherwise you are a meanies head. The fact that there is so much more demand for sports from men is irrelevant.

We currently have three leagues for most sports: men's, women's, and disabled. The problem we have is that it is unclear where to place intersexuals, transgenders, etc. People with testosterone abnormalities (whether natural or by choice) have no business in the women's league.

Seems to me there are two solutions:

- Stay with three leagues, but change the men's league to "open". The open league is home to all men, as well as intersexuals, transgenders, etc..

- Four leagues: Men's, women's, disabled, and "open". Since the "open" league will include people with hormone abnormalities and people on intentional hormone treatment, it could even be declared as the league with no drug restrictions.

Regardless of the solution, it is essential to restrict women's to biological women without hormone disorders. Anything else is grossly unfair.

Regardless of the solution, it is essential to restrict women's to biological women without hormone disorders. Anything else is grossly unfair.

I would say without VOLUNTARY hormone alteration.

I find it amazing we live in a world where female athlete get banned for taking a medication for a medical condition for years before sports league decide to ban it, but at the same time people calming to be trans (either way) can compete in womens sports while taking steroids that have been banned for decades

Regardless of the solution, it is essential to restrict women's to biological women without hormone disorders. Anything else is grossly unfair. ~ a_random_guy at June 27, 2017 11:53 AM

No can do, amigo. The whole impetus behind non-binary gender identity is not about biology, it's about feelings. And if you tell a "woman" that she cannot play in the women's league because she's really not a woman, it will hurt her feelings.

Yoo Guytthhhhhhhhhh, Serena learned the hard way.

Besides, it's always seemed obvious that she's juiced out of her skull. In the early days, she was built much like her sister, but then, um, something happened.

Serena is so confident in her body than in 2011 when an official doping control agent showed up at her SoCal mansion to collect a sample as part of the out-of-competition testing, Serena locked herself in her panic room and refused to give a sample.

Y'all remember this when the topic of women in combat comes up again.

> Y'all remember this

Sailer has some things to say about combat, too.

Well Justine Henin bulked up through heavy duty weight training and then trimmed back down. She said it didnt help her tennis, and actually made her more injury prone.

Im going to give Serena the benefit of the doubt here, I think after long term steroid abuse she would most likely have difficulty getting pregnant, and she is now seven months along, I believe.

Lots of reasons for avoiding the crazy ITF drug tests. Could be she just went to one of those good parties in LA the night before.

She is an incredible tennis player, just not as good as most men, unlike someone like Ruby Fox or Margaret Murdock who have competed and won sucessfully against men in a sport less dependent on speed and strength.

It's all about feelings.

He "feels" like a boy and should be treated as one in all things, just like a normal boy. And if he wishes hard enough, and Jiminy Cricket isn't too drunk that day, he'll become one, magically. And those meanies on the school administration will see just how normal a boy he is.

And the first day he's sexually assaulted in the boys' bathroom, he'll sue the school, the school board, and anyone else he can find, 'cause they didn't provide extra security for his use of the boys' bathroom.

Sorry, son, you're not a boy. And all the wishing in the world won't make it so. And some of the other boys aren't going to understand that. And they'll do mean things to you out of their own ignorance, and yours.

There's a reason we segregate girls and boys, especially at that age.

New information here, many years later...

FloJo is still the women's record-holder in track.

Seventy-six high-school boys were as fast or faster in 2019.

Make no mistake, though - there is no shame in that. Being the best there is in your field does NOT mean you are to be disregarded because you're not the best in every field.