Pride comes before a fall.

Remember the story Patrick posted here a couple of days ago, were a woman on the tube in England was assaulted by an "asian man" but had time to excoriate two middle aged white men for not helping her?

Dunham is one of the reasons why such chivalrous behaviour is passe. If I'm going to be slagged on for some reason, then the path of least resistance will likely be best. Less effort, less work, less danger, fewer repercussions.

I am "chivalrous" to anyone I can help. It involves behaving with humanity and being -- as I describe in both "Good Manners For Nice People Who Sometimes Say F*ck" and my TED talk on kindness to strangers, as a "co-human."

I don't get it. Is she saying that she would prefer to suffer pain and injury rather than accept help from a man who might help here avoid it?

I always thought she was a bat shit jackass; but that is so far beyond stupidity that there isn't even a name for it.

Jay:
I don't get it. Is she saying that she would prefer to suffer pain and injury rather than accept help from a man who might help here avoid it?

You got it in one. That toxic masculinity stuff is so nasty and sticky, once you get it on you it's hell to wash off. If she wants *NO* nasty sticky male contact, that's fine, leave her alone.

Let her have it her way. Any bets on how many times she falls before she changes her mind?

Let her have it her way. Any bets on how many times she falls before she changes her mind? ~ jdgalt at June 9, 2018 9:14 AM

She won't change her mind. Like the woman in Patrick's story, she'll blame any injury or suffering on the middle-aged white men that militant feminism chased away.

Would that a man had told Dunham to "watch her step" when she was molesting her little sister - or not, depending upon what you think is "normal."

So, let her fall into those million manholes. At least she didn't say "person holes."

I am "chivalrous" to anyone I can help. It involves behaving with humanity and being -- as I describe in both "Good Manners for Nice People Who Sometimes Say F*ck" and my TED talk on kindness, as a "co-human."

Me too. The fact that Lena Dunham is an idiiot, or that some don't say thank you when you hold open a door, or don't reciprocate a greeting when we pass on the street, isn't going to change my behavior. Nor is it going to reduce me to an sullen and truculent person convinced the world is out to make me its victim.

I've done chivalry from physically intervening in assaults to helping with flat tires.
That was then. Today, if I saw a woman along the road with a flat, I'd hesitate to help unless I had my wife with me, or somebody else (necessary a woman) as a witness.

Are there any men, any where, who have ever actually spoken to Lena Dunham in public? seems so unlikely. I’d guess that most men turn the other way or cross the street to avoid her.

I have no idea why we think this person's fantasies are worth observing.

A friend fell into [an] open cellar on a NYC sidewalk.

If I saw someone fall into an open cellar because they were transfixed by their cell phone, I would laugh.

On my three recent trips to New York, I've learned to be on the lookout for those open cellars. But I like them, although not was much as I love all the cool old water tanks on top of buildings in New York (in Simon & Garfunkel's Concert in Central Park, the stage backdrop included a rooftop with a water tank.)

As a side note, one of the things I never knew -- and learned from reading a book -- before my first trip there in 2015 (not first-ever trip, but first of my recent three spring visits) was that, although people conventionally refer to it as New York City, that's not the name. It's just New York or, officially, The City of New York. That's why it's the New York Yankees and not the New York City Yankees (while it is the Kansas City Royals and Oklahoma City Thunder.) Now I always notice when someone correctly refers to it as New York (which happens, but is quite rare**.)

** even many New Yorkers will say New York City and saying it, while incorrect, is not the faux pas that saying "Frisco" is to the sensibilities of San Franciscans.

KateC: Are there any men, any where, who have ever actually spoken to Lena Dunham in public?

I tried to once, but she stabbed me.

What a coincidence! I also would much rather Lena Dunham fall into a million manholes than have even one dude tell her to watch her step.