I'm Confused: Women Are Men's Equals -- Or They Aren't Men's Equals?
Really can't have it both ways -- though there's a continuing effort to do so.
This is exactly how men give each other shit in the workplace & elsewhere - going for the Achilles heel & digging in the knife. In other words, women are not being discriminated against; they're being treated equally.
— Amy Alkon (@amyalkon) October 22, 2018
PS Tease me/give me shit, & I'll laugh & give it right back. https://t.co/bBfEMmPGq9








It looks like tailoring your insults is sexist. If you are going to call a guy a pussy you can't call a girl a dick. We are all pussies together or none of us are.
Ben at October 22, 2018 6:19 AM
The feminist movement is your 70 year old maiden aunt who really likes the Anglican church of her distant childhood memory, not because they believe anything (because she would be embarrassed to live by any actual principle), but because of the exceptional focus on superficial presentation to the detriment of actual content.
El Verde Loco at October 22, 2018 7:19 AM
I'm not sure what's wrong with a ban on profanity in the workplace. Or on rudeness in general. Isn't that what's known as "professionalism"?
Of course, criticism is not inherently rude, for one. But (and I understand that many start throwing temper tantrums when they hear this) it's not what you say, it's HOW you say it. And when. And where. To accept this fact is what's known as behaving like an adult.
lenona at October 22, 2018 10:41 AM
It's the justification for the ban Lenona. Profanity in the workplace is unprofessional and inappropriate but it is not sexist. This is like saying you can't rob people because it is racist. The attached rationale doesn't make any sense.
Ben at October 22, 2018 11:03 AM
Yes, I'll say it's foolish to play the sexism card when one could just play the civility card instead.
Of course, profanity IS often used (sometimes subconsciously?) for the sake of harassing and putting down anyone, male or female, who doesn't like it.
lenona at October 22, 2018 11:24 AM
Yes, I'll say it's foolish to play the sexism card when one could just play the civility card instead.
That street goes both ways. The other one, not so much.
Also it's not uncivil to say "the fucking server room is on fire!"
I R A Darth Aggie at October 22, 2018 12:23 PM
Of course profanity is used to put people down. But as you admit Lenona this isn't sexism. It's just like all the people screaming racism all the time. 90% of what they complain about has nothing to do with race. NPR had a lady on this weekend who claimed describing criminals as 6ft and 300lbs is racist. I get that she was hurt that her certified insane brother died when he started punching cops. But her claim that cops can restrain anyone of any size so the only reason her brother died was due to racism is just plain nonsense.
The misuse of terms like racism or sexism has gone into the land of farce.
Ben at October 22, 2018 12:32 PM
"Profanity in the workplace is unprofessional and inappropriate"
Only if you work in a place full of milquetoasts whose greatest challenge is remembering what they saw on TV last night.
Dynamic and challenging environments are quite rude at times.
Gog_Magog_Carpet_Reclaimers at October 22, 2018 1:48 PM
Men call each other d*ckheads and don't mean it. Women say "I love your dress" and don't mean it.
In man-world, being called a name is a challenge to see if you have a comeback. At a party one guy tried to put down my profession as not as technical as his (he's an engineer). I had a comeback that had everyone roaring and he came over and high-fived me. It is like when boys tustle with each other. Girls do not like this and go to pieces. It is not sexist, it is just part of the male-female difference (that doesn't exist apparently).
Of course at work such stuff is off-limits.
cc at October 22, 2018 1:53 PM
I'm taking a class from a woman who works in commercial real estate. She said her first job in commercial real estate was with a man who told her they'd all be better off if she stayed home and made babies. She told him she'd already done that and wasn't going anywhere.
She said she encountered widespread sexism and discrimination in a field that was then (and probably still is) a competitive boys' club, but she stuck with it. Today, she lists that first boss as one of her most valuable mentors, having taken her under his wing (still convinced she should stay home and make babies, but willing to teach her if she was willing to put the work in).
She runs a commercial real estate brokerage today worth millions and has worked with noted celebrities, financial gurus, and wealthy investors.
Sexism is where you find it. Your choice is to whine about it or overcome it.
Conan the Grammarian at October 22, 2018 2:18 PM
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