Demonstrating Versus Looting
That guy carrying off the green shoes and the other shoeboxes, do we think he's trying to send a message?
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I have been deeply disturbed for days, horrified by the casual inhumanity of the cop with his hand in his pocket and his knee on George Floyd's neck as Floyd pleaded that he couldn't breathe and called out to his late mother.
George Floyd is my co-human and yours -- or, tragically, was -- and no human being should be treated as he was.
I am completely in favor of peaceful protests, and I see standing up against rights violations to be a secular holy cause.
I hope the protests will serve as a force for change.
But the destruction of businesses is another story. Let's be honest here: Looting a Louis Vuitton store in Portland is not about George Floyd.
In LA, they're looting and burning businesses that were just scheduled to open today, post-COVID. Also, consider that every time a firefighter goes out on a call, they risk their life.
These businesses being burned down and looted (many of which will surely be closed), is ultimately hurting some of the most vulnerable people in these communities.
MUST WATCH TV: If you're still unclear what impact the rioting and violence is having on the most vulnerable among us, please listen to Stephanie, a disabled Minneapolis woman who offers her heart-wrenching experience after last night's violence. Great work by @BenryNews pic.twitter.com/k73Q65Psvs
— Tom Hauser (@thauserkstp) May 30, 2020
My neighborhood, burning. Median income $33k. Many have no transit. Our pharmacies, banks, gas stations, restaurants are destroyed. The six closest grocery stores are looted. Our post office is on fire. The nearest gas station is on fire. No response from our city or state.
— Ryan Griffith (@ryangriffith) May 30, 2020
Some Denver rioters are setting dumpster fires. All that accomplishes is to overwork and endanger firefighters. What they hell do they have against firefighters?
— Ari Armstrong (@ariarmstrong) May 31, 2020
This is a message I received from a black community leader this morning
— Jamil Jivani (@jamiljivani) May 30, 2020
You won't see him on mainstream media or trending on Twitter
But please know he and many others are out there seeing and speaking the truth pic.twitter.com/UBDu8tZPAw
Finally, he's right. Wisdom:
This is the force that lynches, drags people behind trucks, that beheads. It begins with surrender to the mob. It is a drug that makes people feel justified as they rob others of life. It is close kin to the force that knelt on George Floyd's neck. It won't stop, and it must. https://t.co/L33N3flhYK
— Bret Weinstein (@BretWeinstein) May 31, 2020








https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/local/george-floyd-protest/289-cfe46ff8-f64b-43ed-ada6-244a9a7601d0
Interesting that about 1,000 people in New Orleans turned out for that city's protest and it not only was completely peaceful, it even involved "social distancing" among marchers. No property damage at all.
And, like most marches I've seen, it was pretty well split between black and white people, most of them young.
Kevin at May 30, 2020 10:28 PM
I watched a loooot of coverage overnight, and there's something genuine in this observation.
Crid at May 31, 2020 1:35 AM
I just don't get it.
I get burning the police station.
I get burning businesses if they have a history of racism or something awful.
I get burning the property of someone you know to be horrible.
I get going to the rich neighborhoods and burning them.
NO I do not think it is justifiable, but I get it.
But I absolutely do not get random running around and fucking shit up in your own neighborhood.
But what makes even less sense is doing it because your favorite sports team won.
NicoleK at May 31, 2020 8:00 AM
It's Antifa and their fellow travelers.
White supremacists, neo-nazis and other bogey men are being/will be blamed by the politicians, and the claim is that Putin is orchestrating things.
I R A Darth Aggie at May 31, 2020 8:08 AM
O I do not think it is justifiable, but I get it.
But I absolutely do not get random running around and fucking shit up in your own neighborhood.
But what makes even less sense is doing it because your favorite sports team won.
NicoleK at May 31, 2020 8:00 AM
It’ s safer that way. Going to some store that has Koreans with shotguns on the roof is fucking dangerous.
People looking for an excuse to riot after having their cities shut down for ten weeks are going to find one.
Isab at May 31, 2020 8:48 AM
> I absolutely do not get random
> running around and fucking shit
> up in your own neighborhood.
Ahem, throat-clearing, disclaimer, hedge, etc.:
These people are acutely aware that in no sense are these neighborhoods "own." They rent, and their landlords are ruthless.They steal shoes and teevee sets (and *your* feelings of safety) because that's as high as their aspirations can take time. They're not worldly.
Beyond the absolutely random arson, it's been a surprise to see how many fast food restaurants have been devastated. These rioters may love a Wendy's McDouble, but the don't like having to pay as much for it as they do. And they know that after a long childhood of sandwiches from these places, they're in no way invested in the businesses themselves. Their hunger 10 years ago was quashed, but the profits from that exchange are more apparent for the distant owner of the business (even if that person is in the lower-middle class).
Crid at May 31, 2020 10:54 AM
Still, though, I don't own the restaurant down the street but I like having it there! Not having it there would make my neighborhood worse!
I get that they're angry but why aren't they running to wealthy neighborhoods? I mean I'm glad they aren't! But it would make sense.
NicoleK at May 31, 2020 11:42 AM
These are fake-news events. The people who started the looting are paid and bused in by Soros, in the hope voters will get the false message that racist President Trump can't maintain public order.
Trump was absolutely right to say when the looting starts, the shooting starts, and should never have apologized afterwards. If government does not use that level of force, it will encourage both more looting and justified victims shooting back.
What's more, it's time to invoke the Insurrection Act and section 3 of the 14th Amendment. Let those who commit acts of war against the US lose the right to vote and maybe we'll see fewer of the cowardly mayors and governors that allowed it to happen.
And yes, Floyd's killer does need to go in front of a jury for murder. But so does every single looter and arsonist, and the agitators who organized the destruction, and the fat cat lefties who paid them to do it.
jdgalt at May 31, 2020 11:46 AM
It is times like this that make the Second Amendment very important. The founders seemed to have known what they were doing.
charles at May 31, 2020 11:50 AM
Large areas that were burned in the LA riots years ago were never rebuilt
cc at May 31, 2020 1:05 PM
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NicoleK at May 31, 2020 1:21 PM
“These people are acutely aware that in no sense are these neighborhoods "own." They rent, and their landlords are ruthless.“
I wonder how much of where they live is Section 8 housing.
Isab at May 31, 2020 1:25 PM
> Section 8
Again, housing that isn't their property.
> (ahem)
It's not possible to take persuasion from anyone using the words "fake news."
> Large areas that were burned
> in the LA riots years ago were
> never rebuilt
Where? And '65 or '92?
> why aren't they running
> to wealthy neighborhoods?
For thirty years I've wondered about that. A working theory is that if you're the kind of person who dreams of stealing a pair of shoes or trashing the Dr. Pepper fountain at Burger Filet, you don't know where those neighborhoods are.
You've never been on a leisurely drive up Malibu. You've never been invited to a party in the Swish Alps, and Rihanna has never had you over for drinks on a sunny weekend afternoon (the Palisades, on Sunset).
Crid at May 31, 2020 2:04 PM
That thing where you forget that Gmpas won't let you post a tilted 3D view anymore. Anyway, the Santa Monica range is a nice neighborhood.
Crid at May 31, 2020 2:21 PM
Looters are fundamentally lazy. Long-term planning is not the forte of someone whose mentality is to loot the local Target and smash the windows at the local Wells Fargo branch.
To get to Malibu or Grosse Pointe would require logistics and planning on their part. That is, if as Crid points out, they could even find those places.
Plus, once you get there, where do you go to maximize your haul? The looters know what's in their own neighborhoods, where the stuff they've been coveting is kept, where the clerk who was snooty to them works, where the store that turned them down for credit is located.
The Witness Protection Program was started when an enterprising US Marshall noticed that gangsters, thugs, and hoods rarely strayed from their neighborhoods. They were territorial. Moving a snitch from New York to Philadelphia to hide him was as safe as moving him to Montana; and cheaper. "They're not worldly."
Conan the Grammarian at May 31, 2020 3:01 PM
I get that they're angry but why aren't they running to wealthy neighborhoods?
Because if they go into a neighborhood that starting prices in the mid-500Ks, and they start pillaging and burning, shots will be fired.
There's a reason why Roof Koreans are legendary. They armed themselves, and demonstrated a capacity for putting ordinance down rage. Riots are fun to participate in, until you get shot at. Then it's time to be elsewhere.
See this tweet: it provides some screenshots of tweets sent by a wealthy NBA player. Summary: it goes from "burn that shit down" to "don't do that in my neighborhood, you animals!".
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1267152709741772800
I R A Darth Aggie at May 31, 2020 4:16 PM
> mid-500Ks, and they start pillaging
> and burning, shots will be fired.
Mid-500K's where? Across America, real wealth (whatever the metric) is protected by hired help. Most rich people have better things to play with than guns.
Crid at May 31, 2020 5:34 PM
Mid-500K's where? Across America, real wealth (whatever the metric) is protected by hired help. Most rich people have better things to play with than guns.
Crid at May 31, 2020 5:34 PM
Not me. I lead a full life, and still play with guns. So do most of my neighbors.
Isab at May 31, 2020 7:23 PM
You're rich?
Crid at May 31, 2020 8:44 PM
I live on acreage with a (recently refinanced) worth over $500k. We own an arsenal, though very small compared to neighbors. We have multimillionares in less than 2 mile (MLB great, among others). Also rotting-RVs in less than a mile. Rural is fun. The unifying glue isn't income, it's values. Space and independence, namely.
I have a neighbor, not sure who, with an actual tank. It's unmistakable, when they fire it. Looters aren't a worry, here.
Momof4 at June 1, 2020 5:15 AM
You're rich?
Crid at May 31, 2020 8:44 PM
Depends on how you define it. Compared to the average Chinese citizen, hell yes, I’m rich.
I also don’t have much debt.
It’s not what you make, it is what you have left over after the tax man commeth.
100k a year goes a lot further here in Cheyenne Wy than in LA. Or New York.
Isab at June 1, 2020 6:38 AM
You are thinking of pretend wealth Crid. It is all debt financed. The majority of wealthy people in the US don't even live in gated communities much less have hired security. Oddly enough people with over 100k in non-house debt are more likely to have a hired security service than people with over 10M in assets.
Ben at June 1, 2020 7:07 AM
> You are thinking of pretend wealth Crid.
1. Comma.
2. Potential wealth in the pipeline of Dallas' premiere centralized clearinghouse!
Crid at June 1, 2020 10:47 AM
Potential wealth is a different thing. Keep up!
Ben at June 1, 2020 11:38 AM
We got out of the city specifically to avoid these types of situations: Plagues, government lockdowns, rioting, egg shortages... and yeah, we have a small arsenal, as do many of our friends.
I had hoped to go to my office to check the mail and scan some things this week, but it's across from the state Capitol and I'm worried I could get caught in a protest, or that my building might be ransacked. I really don't want to have to shoot someone.
Some old friends got caught in a riot on the River Walk in San Antonio with their small children. It sounds like it was pretty harrowing.
The only things I miss about city life are the food and the shopping. (I still like to try things on before I buy them.)
ahw at June 1, 2020 1:56 PM
A bunch of minority-owned businesses were vandalized and looted in Downtown Austin. The Target that was looted is in a minority neighborhood.
It appears that most of the people who were arrested in both Austin and San Antonio were white males under the age of 25. (I've been looking through the mugshots in the local paper.)
ahw at June 1, 2020 2:03 PM
> Keep up!
The imaginations of children are too fertile to track, but no one would bother anyway.
Crid at June 1, 2020 5:22 PM
NicoleK: "I get that they're angry but why aren't they running to wealthy neighborhoods? I mean I'm glad they aren't! But it would make sense."
And just why does it make sense? Please educate me as to why destroying rich people's property makes sense?
charles at June 2, 2020 7:27 PM
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